Entertainer Archive
Thread: It's time for a question again..
Kreistor
Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:15 am
#27
Beery wrote:
On the musician forum, someone suggested that since the developers ignore our questions and requests anyway, why not ask a question that shows them that we're getting tired of being fobbed off with avoidance anddelay after delay. The question they suggested that their correspondent askwas "What planet is the city of Theed, Naboo located on?"
It's kinda like the "who's buried in Grant's tomb" question. It's just meant as a protest. So I'm gonna change my vote.I vote for asking "What planet is the city of Theed, Naboo located on?". It's about time these AFK developers got back to their keyboard and started working for us. Maybe this will give them a hint that we're sick to deathof this delay after delaycrap.
Well, we can't exactly ask that if the musicians are. I'm thinking the question here should be "What planet is Coronet, Corellia located on?"
You know, make sure the questions are different 
Xyrdre
Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:40 am
#29
Kreistor wrote:
Xyrdre wrote:
Coronet, Corellia is an exciting new city in MMO gaming...
Is that before or after the JTL??
Coronet, Corellia is an exciting new city in MMO gaming...
Red-Dwarf
Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:12 am
#30
I almost went for the Coronet question until I saw the badge thread. This question should be considered:
Does TH orthe Dev team consider it appropriate to award a 'tribute to the profession' badge to a NPC? (by definition since an afk buffbot is not actively controlled by a player they are computer controlled)
If Yes, what is the timetable to remove the professions and place dev controlled buffbots?
If No, will the team please confirm the CSR team have been given revised instructions on the distribution of badges?
Of course the "If No..." could be made also refer to removing such badges, but I don't want to give the devs extra work which will not bring us benefit. I placed the "If yes..." answer as it is the only logical extension of the answer I can see.
(Oh and only one of the performer professions need ask this, the others can ask which planetTheed, Naboois on)
Senom
Kreistor
Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:10 am
#31
Red-Dwarf wrote:
I almost went for the Coronet question until I saw the badge thread. This question should be considered:
Does TH orthe Dev team consider it appropriate to award a 'tribute to the profession' badge to a NPC? (by definition since an afk buffbot is not actively controlled by a player they are computer controlled)
If Yes, what is the timetable to remove the professions and place dev controlled buffbots? Also, will we get to redistribute all of our skill points (the ones that we spend more of than a Master Rifleman) just as the Jedi get to redistribute their skill points?
If No, will the team please confirm the CSR team have been given revised instructions on the distribution of badges?
Of course the "If No..." could be made also refer to removing such badges, but I don't want to give the devs extra work which will not bring us benefit. I placed the "If yes..." answer as it is the only logical extension of the answer I can see.
(Oh and only one of the performer professions need ask this, the others can ask which planetTheed, Naboois on)
Senom
Warryyr
Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:44 am
#32
I'm the one who came up with the whole "what planet is Theed, Naboo on?" question.
I VOTE FOR THIS IDEA BELOW, THOUGH - THAT PERSON SHOULD NOT GET A BADGE, AND WE DESERVE AN EXPLANATION FOR THIS.
Red-Dwarf wrote:
I almost went for the Coronet question until I saw the badge thread. This question should be considered:
Does TH orthe Dev team consider it appropriate to award a 'tribute to the profession' badge to a NPC? (by definition since an afk buffbot is not actively controlled by a player they are computer controlled)
If Yes, what is the timetable to remove the professions and place dev controlled buffbots?
If No, will the team please confirm the CSR team have been given revised instructions on the distribution of badges?
Of course the "If No..." could be made also refer to removing such badges, but I don't want to give the devs extra work which will not bring us benefit. I placed the "If yes..." answer as it is the only logical extension of the answer I can see.
(Oh and only one of the performer professions need ask this, the others can ask which planetTheed, Naboois on)
Senom
Beery
Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:57 pm
#33
I don't particularly care that some loser is going around with a badge he didn't earn. Let the baby have his toy. I don't think we should be getting upset about an award that was basically given out to anyone who turned up at a certain event - I mean there are probably a bunch more people who have this particular badge, but who don't really deserve it. I think we have bigger fish to fry. One thing is for sure, no developer is going to take away a badge they gave out, however mistaken they were in giving it. It just won't happen.
Asking about this badge thingwill get us nowhere, andmay make us seempetty. Let's either protest, or aska questionthat will help our cause. This does neither.
Message Edited by Beery on 06-30-2004 09:05 PM
Xyrdre
Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:25 pm
#34
This is not an event badge. This badge signifies excellence at the profession. A social profession, mind you. And I can think of little that is less social than something that is runningAFK 23/7.
This thing is the greatest offense to players of the social playstyle. I think the question is quite valid.
What much of this comes down to is this... if buffbotting is seen by SOE as the highest achievement of the entertainer professions and deserving of recognition as a credit to the profession, then our questions about our roles in the game have finally been answered. We are supposed to be bots... there only to serve the BF/mind wound healing and buffing needs of the rest of the players.
If this is not the intended message, someone had better step in soon and make things right.
It may only be a badge, but it's the straw that broke the camel's (to be read entertainer's)back.
Ikewe
Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:07 pm
#35
I have to agree that the question needs to be about the buff-bot badge. If that's what the game Devs think all entertainers are supposed to be working toward then clearly I've been playing the wrong game. Perhaps we can combine the "What planet is..." question with the buff bot question. Something along the lines of "On what planet was an AFK buff-bot mistakenly given a badge for outstanding.....?"
Sorry Tiaga. I really did want to try to think of an important question but somehow I just couldn't muster any enthusiasm after hearing about this.
Ikewe
DarkY0da
Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:38 pm
#36
Maybe we could ask if we could get Perma Death for Entertainers ? 1 death and you start over... Might be a bit easier on those of us that won't willingly change up our characters....
Ravanne_Esi
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:02 pm
#37
Beery wrote:
I don't particularly care that some loser is going around with a badge he didn't earn. Let the baby have his toy.
The issue is not that they have the badge it's that they were GIVEN the badge by a representative of SOE/SWG. Being given the badge basiclly says that they not only endorse AFK play but encourage it. They don't want us in the game and would be happy if we all were just AFK buff-bots. This is an incredible insult to anyone who cares about the entertainer professions and has worked at it ATK. It is intolerable.
Beery
Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:14 pm
#38
Well the problem is, there's little chance that thedeveloper gave this idiot his badge because of AFK play. Probably the guy was acting in a creditable way when he got the badge. Even if the dev wasjust feeling generous andgave it away to the first idiot who walked in the door, it's not like the developers will see this as anything more than a storm in a teacup. If we ask this question, the developers will not see it as some here see it. I guarantee you they won't stop laughing for a week. We see who they givea rare giftto and weare appalled. They only see that these gifts are 10 a penny - they can give these things away anytime -, and they willthink it's a petty matter. Not only that, but even if they do take any notice, they will not take a badge away once it has been given. That is tantamount to saying to the badge owner"I set you up, and now I'vef#$%ed you over, now please complain to my boss about me".
There is no advantage to be had in asking this question. They won't care, they won't do anything about it, we don't get our real ongoingissues raised, and we don't even get to do a protest.
If you're going to ask a question, ask one that will have some effect. As Sun Tzu would say: don't fight a battle that can't be won.
Tralmek
Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:35 pm
#39
Beery wrote:
Well the problem is, there's little chance that thedeveloper gave this idiot his badge because of AFK play. Probably the guy was acting in a creditable way when he got the badge.This was my first thought as well, but then I did a little more research and looked into it some, and it appears that the badgewasindeed given to an AFK buffbot while it was bufbotting away. Even if the dev wasjust feeling generous andgave it away to the first idiot who walked in the door, it's not like the developers will see this as anything more than a storm in a teacup. If we ask this question, the developers will not see it as some here see it. I guarantee you they won't stop laughing for a week. We see who they givea rare giftto and weare appalled.I agree with you here...it is a small thing, but hey, we've been giving in and giving in and giving in on the "small" things, andwe've trained them to realize that there is no backlash from us ever, for anything. We do need to start caring about the small things too. They only see that these gifts are 10 a penny - they can give these things away anytime -, and they willthink it's a petty matter. Not only that, but even if they do take any notice, they will not take a badge away once it has been given.Unfortunatelyyou're right, this bot has that badge forever.That is tantamount to saying to the badge owner"I set you up, and now I'vef#$%ed you over, now please complain to my boss about me". Actually the Devs and others at SOE have no problem with telling people that, what do you think they've been telling us or the past year?
There is no advantage to be had in asking this question. They won't care, they won't do anything about it, we don't get our real ongoingissues raised, and we don't even get to do a protest. It's still a protest. Personally, I'd like to see the question asked. We already know the answer to any substantial questions we could ask: no, entertainers are overpowered we're not giving you that; no, we don't want to think about that until after JTL; some things will be changed in or after the Combat Balance; thanks for playing Star Wars Galaxies, please send in your next $15.
If you're going to ask a question, ask one that will have some effect. As Sun Tzu would say: don't fight a battle that can't be won. Just because you can't win a battle doesn't mean that you were defeated, you could pull off a tactical retreat or you could reach a stalemate. Entertainers can't afford to do much more losing in the bigger scheme of things, we need a few battles to go our way if we're to win the war.
I've never seen the morale lower on these boards. Even some of the most dedicated entertainers have declared their intentions to leave the game entirely, and others are seriously considering it. Perhaps this desperation is justified if SOE is really trying to cut the socialization out of the social professions. The only way they can prove to me that they aren't trying to actively destroy our community is if they do a few things. (heck, this could be multiple choice for them--pick three or more things off of this list.)
- Issue a formal apology
- Revoke the badge
- Publicly denonce the actions of the CSR
- Fire the CSR
- Make an immediate move to get rid of AFK macrotaining/buffbotting altogether
- Offer a month's free subscription to all confirmed live entertainers (okay, this is just wishful thinking...)
- Institute a system where a repeating macro automatically causes a TEF (again, wishful thinking)
- Systematically ban everyone who abuses the macro system including the recipiant of this badge
- Begin to circulate amongst live entertainers and be more "loose" with giving these badges (If a macrotainer got it, chances are they're not worth too much anyway, you may as well give them to everyone you see.)
Like I said, any combination of three (or more)of these suggestions would work toward restoring what little trust I retain in the SOE representatives.