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Yes exactly, I think you hit it onthe head. I think all entertainers are girls. HAH

Did I say they all were?I might have implied it without realizing but that directly led you to assume. You are the one who actually had the thought that "allentertainers are girls" and"all girls want to dance battle". All I said was SOE wants girls. Dothey not? SOE has done more blatant thing to bring "girls" in. Whatever happened to ID tents?

Message Edited by Dojoden on 08-17-2005 08:26 AM

Message Edited by Dojoden on 08-17-2005 08:28 AM

Message Edited by Dojoden on 08-17-2005 08:35 AM

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Dojoden wrote:
This is a discussion about Dance Battles as a new form of play. This isn't about how big my letters are or whose feelings I am forgetting. I am not a troll because I do not seek acclaim, I merely wanted a discussion on the topic of dance battles. Instead it turns into about how awful my etiquette is (good heavens!). You are sad entertainers are not being heard and when someone speaks up you cut them down. Take your focus off me and place it on the topic. Thank You.

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Actually, your follow up was actually good. But that thread got locked. And then someone came in to "defend" you and throw it in our faces. That is what is up here. We're trying to explain *why* we are reacting.

Many folks have said they like the idea. Me, I don't...mainly because I don't get it. I have no frame of reference. /shrug

If you look through the posts, you will see that people aren't discouraging idea, but doing a couple of things:

1. State why they reacted the way they did to your original post and the person who started this thread.
2. State why they liked it or didn't like it.

I even quoted you in this thread and said "Now, if he had stated it this way *to begin with*, it would have received a completely different response. I still don't know what "Being Served" is nor what a "dance fight" is. So, your thread and this follow up have not been informative in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong with ideas. And you can move on. I just think your buddy who started *this* thread, blew it out of proportion. You didn't even get a chance to explain yourself once the thread was locked.

Oh well. If you have an idea, do the right thing. Read the stickies and post it to the correct threads.

I missed the original thread but just had to comment on a couple of things.

First of all, I'm glad for anyone who is not an entertainer to care enough about us to offer a suggestion to make our gameplay more interesting / interactive.

Second, now I have the theme from West Side Story stuck in my head ... if you don't get that then go find it for rent in the 'classic' section and you'll have to chuckle at 'battle dancing'.... On a more current note, anyone ever see a movie called 'Only the Strong'? Pretty much cheese, but kinda fun, and its all about the Brazillian form of 'combat dance'.

I seriously don't see how a 'dance battle' could be implemented so far as an actual game mechanic, vs just being a 'popularity contest' judged by viewer/players (and no reason not to roleplay that now, I'm sure someone has done it at some point)

*hums the West Side Story Theme* la la ladee daaaahh *snap ... snap!*

This is a discussion about Dance Battles as a new form of play. This isn't about how big my letters are or whose feelings I am forgetting. I am not a troll because I do not seek acclaim, I merely wanted a discussion on the topic of dance battles. Instead it turns into about how awful my etiquette is (good heavens!). You are sad entertainers are not being heard and when someone speaks up you cut them down. Take your focus off me and place it on the topic. Thank You.

Honeewoo, I'm sorry you were insulted by the original post (which as you stated was really just a misunderstanding), but doyou really mean to tell me that you have never heard of a dance competition?

I think a lot of people are taking the "you got served" literally, when it was really just a reference to pop culture. In fact, I was the one that uttered it as a joke when Dama was first describing his ideas for a dance competition in thegame. Apparently, he thought everyone else here would get the light-hearted reference and understand what he was talking about. Apparently, not. Yes, the first post was kind of (i.e. REALLY) vague and could have used some explaining, but the rate at which it was flamed (yes, flamed)left no room for discussion, which is why I think some of the discussion has spilled over to this thread.

My biggest complaint is how we treated a new poster in our forums, which is what I think the original topic of this thread was about. Even if someone comes in and starts talking about Entertainers debuffing mobs and blinding and dizzying in combat, I don't think we should immediately blast them with "GO AWAY! YOU TROLL! WE ARE NOT BARDS!". How about just explaining that that is not a game mechanic that we want to take part in, and maybe explain briefly why. Not everyone has read all the discussions on why non-combat is important to us.

Having read the posts about this with a bit of amusement, and a few cups of chai, I think it's pretty obvious that there are a lot of raw nerves at the moment. Had the original thread been titled "you got 'pwned'!" Then I could probably see why the torches were ignited. I myself don't know the "you got served" reference but I didn't think it meant bards in battle simply because you never hear that phrasein SWG when talking about combat. /shrug

I guess my reason for posting is simply to say, we're in a huge disarray at the moment. Now is the time to try to be relaxed and open minded rather than to be circling our speeders, ready to brandish our props at the first new name we see in our midst.

As far as the "girls" comment, all he was trying to say was that, all stereotypes and generalizations aside, it has been shown that women are attracted to MMOs more on the social level than most guys. Since Entertainer is one of the main "social" mechanics in the game, it would behooth SWG to spend a little time on these professions, if they care about a demographic that other MMOs don't seem to be targetting.

That's A LOT of generalizations. However, I would bet there are more females playing SWG simply because of the Entertainer professions than males.

The comment was just a (poor) way to say that the Entertainer professions should be important to SWG and not thrown by the wayside. Poor guy is just trying to support us in the game.

I'm a male, and I'm an Entertainer, and I'm PROUD!

First things first.... The other thread is dead and locked. People found the shouting to be uncalled for and the message appeared to be offensive, trolling for negative responses. Obviously a Moderator agreed.

That thread is for all intents and purposes gone now, so let it die. We now have the benefit of Cliffs SlicksNotes on what the message meant. Let's take that and just move ahead instead of dwelling on the woulda coulda shoulda's of the dead thread.

For those who are interested, here are a couple ofuseful clickies to internet etiquitte and the SOE forum guidelines.

I believe we have thoroughly beaten this topic now, so rather than continuing to beat a dead thread, let's move on and discuss the primary subject at hand: Dance Battles and Competitions.

I wasn't aware of the taunts that had been mentioned. If they do a good job with those then that could form as an interactive form of play between Ents creating a battle or dance-off type situation. What I have in mind is 2 rows of people with everyone taking turns rockin down the middle. SOLID GOLD!

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And then someone came in to "defend" you and throw it in our faces.

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I don't know Slick very well, he retired before I became a corr, but I am familiar with most of his posts out here and all of his posts back in the corr forum. I can't believe that was his intention at all. I think he just wanted to encourage us to see past presentation and make some allowances for Ent Forum posting noobs.

Our four forums have very strict community rules about what's ok and what isn't when posting. That's fine, we're allowed to be like that. It's hard for a new person to know the ground rules though until they've been with us a while. So, we have four options:

I think Slick was just wanting us to skip the first option unless it is just so insanely offensive and was done with such malice that we can't let it slide (ie: Ents suxxors, die ent kweers die!!!11!!!11! U should all get deleted!!!).

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Message Edited by Panthu on 08-18-2005 03:55 AM

Google is your friend. Most instances of "dance battles" are really just dance competitions with a lot of smack talk in place of the gentility. *heh*

Here's a clip of how "dance battles" can push the line to becoming aggressive behavior, though. (Be patient, it's slow loading.)

Dance competitions, however implemented, are entertainer only content. My gut feeling is that while they'd be fun, the real problem would still be content that encourages entertainers and non-entertainers to relate to each other.

I think the other thread was locked for a reason and nothing good can come of starting a thread about a locked thread. I suggest we let this go.

Damn thats pretty scary...

Let's go with the "West Side Story" gang dance version, I like that better.

Which brings up a question. Is there an option among dancers to "synchronize"?