Entertainer Archive
Thread: Deny Services Poll
Only reply if you:
1)Play Star Wars Galaxies.
2)Have entertainer skills above the novice box.
3)Read these boards.
Disclaimer: only people who read this board are responding, this is in no way representing a complete sampling.
The question for this thread is this:
Do you want a deny services option, yes or no.
Responding with only a yes or a no will help Hijo and Corespondant Guy count.
1. The RIAA is a group of millionares who have made their money by approaching artists with little business sense and convincing them to sign contracts that give them a relatively small amount of money compared to what the record executives make. This does not describe myself or my character in any way.
2. The RIAA, in it's attempt to prevent the trading of MP3s, has requested a number of legal actions that violate the privacy rights of an innumerable amount of American citizens and others worldwide. All I am asking for is a system where I can choose to whom I provide the healing services of entertaining. If I don't heal them, I don't get the XP for them. Seems fair, doesn't it?
3. The sale of MP3s has had a mostly negligable effect on the amount of money made by members of the RIAA, making their claims seem less than valid. This is because they make money from a variety of sources, including live performances, the experience of which cannot be encoded into an MP3. What we are talking about is the equivalent of someone breaking into a concert hall and watching a band without paying for it. Hell, even if we were talking about a bar where a band plays for drunks, the bar still pays for the band to play there, even if there isn't a cover charge.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and have a child's understanding of finance, ethics, and logic as well.
CantinaFly wrote:
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and have a child's understanding of finance, ethics, and logic as well.
Oh yeah well I am rubber and you are glue,it bounces off me and sticks to you.
I am so happy you took up everyones time explaining the RIAA< care to explain the Federal Reserve now?
No.
I have an entertainer on Intrepid, and a combat character on StarSider.
The only thing this move would cause me to do, is delete my entertainer (he would then be a cash-mule like everyone other entertainer that would get rolled - pointless), and drop 15 skill points into novice entertainer on my SS character. It's as simple as going to my house at the end of the gaming session, starting a tune, and logging in the next morning with no wounds and BF.
No, it's silly.
If you're a good entertainer, you wouldn't want this, it's about the experience (NOT XP) of it all, not the cash...
TheMadCoder wrote:No.
I have an entertainer on Intrepid, and a combat character on StarSider.
The only thing this move would cause me to do, is delete my entertainer (he would then be a cash-mule like everyone other entertainer that would get rolled - pointless), and drop 15 skill points into novice entertainer on my SS character. It's as simple as going to my house at the end of the gaming session, starting a tune, and logging in the next morning with no wounds and BF.
No, it's silly.
If you're a good entertainer, you wouldn't want this, it's about the experience (NOT XP) of it all, not the cash...
What's stopping you from doing that now? You can just entertain yourself now, and there's really no reason to go to anyone else.
Zefo wrote:
CantinaFly wrote:
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and have a child's understanding of finance, ethics, and logic as well.
Oh yeah well I am rubber and you are glue, it bounces off me and sticks to you.I am so happy you took up everyones time explaining the RIAA care to explain the Federal Reserve now?
Well, you ARE the one who brought the RIAA into all of this. Would you care to call the kettle "black" again, Mr. Pot?
Zefo wrote:
CantinaFly wrote:
Yes, because it's about more than bad customers. Of all of the professions in SWG, entertainers have the least control over their services, and are thus largely unable to earn payment. If I am performing for paying customers, a non-paying one can simply walk in and gain the same benefit. Yes, this can be solved through private cantinas, but that requires additional investment on my part, and creates a host of other problems. Meanwhile, a medic can hang out in a public medical center, and can only provide services to the paying customer. An artisan never has to worry about a non-paying customer taking a pair of pants while they were selling to another customer. Only entertainers have to put up with this, and it's ridiculous. Practically every entertainer I know has to "moonlight" as a messenger boy/girl in order to afford pretty much anything, particularly since we're getting reamed on costume prices by the tailors.I said yes already but this post made me mad. I said yes for harassment, not to make people pay cover charges, and Hijo is right in this case. We need it, but not to enforce covers.
They don't owe you payment. If you are providing entertainment, then they may stiff you. Thats the way it goes. I get tips by talking to them. I don't get tips by demanding them. You are playing to pass the hat in a public cantina, some else built the Cantina, and you didn't. You build it you can charge and set the rules. In the Cantina I play in, if I saw that attitude, I would happily set up a free show for anyone who wanted to come over, and my bandmate would join me.
Ever been to a bar where the band plays for pass the hat? I go all the time, to see one band in particular. They are a great blues band and I give cash generously. I never go into cover charge places much. Even when it is far cheaper to go to a cover charge bar and theres even a little hottie in a little pair of shorts outside telling me to.
Yeah you moonlight, you spend all day and night in a bar? I go out and sit in camps, play parties, I prospect, and I shoot bunnies. There is a war out there, and the Empire sometimes requires my services.
Then why even make entertainer a profession? If it's just a "hobby", why not just give everyone the ability to dance? Do you tell a medic "How dare you ask for money!"? Do you tell an artisan "why don't you just run some missions instead of selling those helmets you made? All I'm saying is that it seems unfair that only entertainers are forced to rely on the kindness of strangers.
CantinaFly wrote:
Then why even make entertainer a profession? If it's just a "hobby", why not just give everyone the ability to dance? Do you tell a medic "How dare you ask for money!"? Do you tell an artisan "why don't you just run some missions instead of selling those helmets you made? All I'm saying is that it seems unfair that only entertainers are forced to rely on the kindness of strangers.
Maybe some class? Yeah you are relying on the kindness of strangers. Like I said PUBLIC cantina == Pass the hat. Private cantina, you make the rules. If thats how deny is to be used I agree with Hijo (!)
The reason I prospect is I need wood and metal to make instruments. I need fiberplast to make clothes for costumes.
Last night a guy told a guy "I dont train for free!", I said good, and found a free trainer for the customer. He was happy and tipped me and the band.
I know a lot of us play private gigs. I get paid well for the, because I entertain my customers. I show my stuff in the Cantina, and I engage them with "Friendly banter", I care about the customer, and they care about me.
Sound to me like you have RIAA-itis. (Yeah that IS a low blow)
I am sure you have the same scintillating personality. It you expect people to just shove money at you, you got the wrong profession. It works similar to real life.
Like I said a sense of entitlement. RIAA-itis.
Piss your customers off they tell thier friends. Make them happy and they tell everyone.
For harrassment reasons--I have a thick skin and am okay with verbal abuse, and I use ignore happily, but I changed my mind on this issue after half of the band and half of the customers were driven out of the cantina by a griefer and his dinosaur last night. If one entertainer is demanding tips to let people off the ignore list, the more reasonable entertainers will pick up the slack.
I want it so that as someone does stupid things to more and more entertainers, they'll find themselves having a hard time getting by. We have a captive audience, it's true. But that means the griefers do as well, in us and in our clients.