Entertainer Archive
Thread: singing = spam?
Waho wrote:
In a cantina it's definately annoying when someone runs off a long macro-ed set of lyrics. In a private show or event, it's more than appropriate.
I have to agree with Waho here. There needs to be some moderationwithhow verbose one is with their roleplayinsidepublic cantinas. It's one of those deals where you sorta have to read the room.And planned shows or events are much different forums than public cantinas.
Since Kyorlana was gracious enough to bring the subject up without any indication that she has any hard feelings over what happened,I'mgoingto go ahead andcop to being one of the ones who got off onthe wrongfoot with K'vera and her roleplaying. I've come to understand now thatthe way the roleplay was comingoff inside the cantina was not what K'vera was intending. But I'm also aware that there were a good number of folks, fellow entertainers and patrons alike, who were exasperated with the level of chatter coming fromsingle player.
We for sure can't assume that there's no such thing as over the top with roleplay. I'm not at allanti roleplaying.But there has to be a happy medium reached when there are a number of different players, with various ideas onhow to approach roleplaying, sharing the same space.
In a shared, public, and sometimes crowded space like a cantina there are players that are interacting together in a number of different ways. There are folks that come in together that are grouped and have their own group chat going on as well as chattingopenly with those they findinside the cantina. There are band members chattingamong themselves in their own group chat and tells, as well as greeting the public as they walk in. There are folks doing all of the above plus juggling tells with friends that are at a distance. Or patrons that are privately being thanked fortheir tip.And if a single, somewhat over enthusiastic roleplayer, has their fingers poised over a number of lengthy macro keysused to sing,greet, flirt,thank, andsay goodbye to players, at afairly non stop paceas they walk in and out of the cantina, I'mhere to tell ya that can turn into spam. When you instantly need to scroll back to read a tell that someone has just sent, or to find where you've said hello to someone as they've walked in,and the only thingyour wordsare sandwichedbetweenaretwo full pages of emotes from a single roleplaying player, I think it's safe to saythat roleplay has turned into spam. 
No disrespect intended! No hard feelings harbored!
Hi,
Yeh i experienced this for the first time a day or 2 ago while playing a gig at the Coronet shuttle ticket master. usually i get applause and general good feeling, but the audience was particularly grumpy that night telling me to 'shut up' and 'stop spamming'.
I have around 17 songs at the moment, each 4 lines long, every 2 lines rhyming. I try and make them humourous and i usually get a few 'lol's and 'hehe's which is nice 
The amount i do in one show depends on how crowded the place is etc
nice to know there are fellow singers out there tho!
Cya
NO according to my first post they generally aren't repeated - I have about 22 songs worked up & that will usually get me through most of one of my sessions. If no one else is doing much of anythingI will sing alot 1-2 min between different songs but I really make an effort NOT to repeat my self. I don't want to come off as a macro bot so I try to talk &I sing different songs. I'd chat more but it seems most times no one wants to play along. soI sing...
Jigglypoof wrote:
No, they're not repeated every 5 mins, they're repeated every 1-2 minutes, at least according to his original post. And while I do enjoy a song, and applaud the originality/work a person puts into it, imo, that qualifies definitely in the spam category.
The issue isn't that you are appearing as a macro bot (and technically you still could if you rotated the same 22 songs, but that is beside the point)... performing 22 songs a night (assuming 4 hours here) is still going to be too much for most people. As someone above recommended, if the place is quiet then one song every 20 mins or so is sufficient to make you stand out from the crowd but keep the 'spam' as some see it to a minimum. Even inmostmusicals or operas there is some incidental music to break up the song, and you are performing in a cantina not a theatre.
Some people will never like song, they are the same people who see entertainers as a waste of bandwith and I really wouldn't worry about them.
But don't alienate potential regulars by giving them too much.
Just my thoughts based on my personal experiences - take from it what you will
((And thanks to Moonlilly for commenting here as well, though no surprise seeing as you were the only one who said something in game ))
well i like musicans and i spend alot of time in catinas healing and talkin to them, but when someone starts singing (dont wanna sound mean) but it kinda makes it really hard to carry on conversations with others in the cantina.
I enjoy listening to what other people are saying and making jokes and such but it kinda can get hard if someone is flooding the chat window with song lyrics.
If the cantina is slow and nobody is talkin then by all means bust out some cool lyrics, but otherwise, leave karaoke night for a different time
SirGnortsAlot wrote:well i like musicans and i spend alot of time in catinas healing and talkin to them, but when someone starts singing (dont wanna sound mean) but it kinda makes it really hard to carry on conversations with others in the cantina.
I enjoy listening to what other people are saying and making jokes and such but it kinda can get hard if someone is flooding the chat window with song lyrics.
If the cantina is slow and nobody is talkin then by all means bust out some cool lyrics, but otherwise, leave karaoke night for a different time
That kinda beats the whole purpose of singing. I started singing a few songs myself, I only do 2-3 songs a night though and I usually have too much fun jamming with the band to be singing. Got some great reactions this weekend from both fellow entertainers and patrons visiting the cantina.
My suggestions on singing:
1. Be Original and keep in theme.
Write your own stuff or get someone else to write stuff for you. Someone spouting off 80's tunes (i've noticed this a lot) or anything else recognizable isn't in the theme of the game and really has no place in the cantina. If you do that sort of thing you are upsetting the immersion aspect of the game just as badly as if you were chatting about baseball scores or anything else dragging the outside world into spatial chat. I understand that the game is hardly all RP all the time but there is no reason to go out of our way to introduce theme breaking elements on a regular basis. If you want to sing pop tunes of the last century go find a karaoke bar and come back to the game when you get that out of your system
2. Use plenty of /pause and keep the lines short.
Don't use huge blocks of /sing if it scrolls 4-5 lines of the chat window when it fires off it is probably too much. leave pauses between each line so that it doesn't break up the flow of conversations horribly. Having five single lines firing off in rapid succession is no better than a large chat bubble scrolling everything off the screen.
3. Use restraint!
Sure the audience might cycle thru the cantina after a few minutes but you don't need to make sure everyone hears every song that you do each time they come in. Take your time. the people who actually like this sort of thing will come back to see you later and the people who don't or don't care probably won't be any more impressed by 50 songs than they were by the first.
4. Perform some place more appropriate
If you want to do a show with all of your songs get a band together and make it known tha that you'll be playing the theatre in your town (or go crazy and play Verni Island) and try and draw a crowd on a predetermined night. Cantinas are busy locations with large mostly disorganized groups doing stuff all over the place. If you've spent some time at your songs you will be able to put on a much better performance somewhere else.
5. Be considerate.
The cantinas are public places where people go to interact. People singing can be quite disruptive to this basic function of the location. In a really busy cantina there is already more than enough text scrolling thru the chat screen. Endless singing (especially badly done /sing routines) can turn out to be only marginally better than tip spamming or AFK macros with spam in them.
sleepdepzombie wrote:
1. Be Original and keep in theme.
2. Use plenty of /pause and keep the lines short.
3. Use restraint!
4. Perform some place more appropriate
5. Be considerate.
First let me say good suggestions ALL of them!
1) I try to - 80% of my songs are Star Wars (just finished working up "Every Clone is Sacred"). the other 20% are futuristic/python/just plain silly
2) hrmmmm.. I might work on this, usualy try to ballance not having more than 3-4 bubbles on screen at once & timing it to come out like it is truely sung. (lag lately has been killing this & make it pile up)
3) If the place is jumpin i certainly don't pile up the songs - i'd rather be interacting anyways.
4) umm yeah - I tried joining what was supposed to be a entertainer guild but it seemed to be moving in other directions before it reorganised/disbanded (no hard fealings - things just evolved that way). I am a Casual gamer -- I'm lucky to get a couple of hours to play a night (sometimes more sometimes much less) so it's hard for me to Instigate that sort of stuff.
5) I always try to be. This is probably what the crux of what my post was about... I was talking about the guys that walk in the door & start swearing at you to stop singing. then they start with the abusive emotes... blablabla. I have never had some one NICELY ask me to stop singing (I would in a heartbeat) it's always S*F*!!! first thing.
My original post was to see how others dealt with these bozos
I understand i could me spaming - yet no one has complained in a constructive way. My Knee jerk responce is to sing more to the 12 no... 11... no... 2 year olds whineing & abusing me.
let's try rephrasing this:
Howdo YOU deal with the abusive, Whiney, smallminded, aragant, bozos as an entertainer?
Cantinas are our realm. It's where we play. Sing to your heart's content. If you get a complaint, tell them it's a lot less typing to just /ignore me.
I've got about 20 songs as well, many of them about a minute in length. It's been a long time since I've really hit a big-city cantina, but I tend to sing one of my better songs as soon as I get established in the band group, after checking on group chat if they mind. If the song gets a tip or two, I'll wait a bit then offer another. If people get pissy, I could care less. Cantinas are places for entertainers to spend an hour and everyone else to spend five minutes.
those who give such bad emoticons on entertainers should be banned from the cantina... we entertain them and they whine because we're spamming tip us or singing.... if they got a problem with that the entertainers should be able to ban him