Entertainer Archive
Thread: Jabbas palace
Beery
Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:03 am
#14
"Wouldn't it be a good idea for the Throne room to actually have the same in game properties as a Cantina - eg; it could be a place where Entertainers can heal mind wounds and fatigue."
It's a great idea, but there's a big problem. Entertainers can't get in unless they have major combat skills. Since August last year I have lobbied SOE to give entertainers non-combatquests that will gain entrance to Jabba's Palace, but so far to no avail.
Until Jabba's Palace is opened up forentertainer professions, it won't become the hub of activity that we'd all like it to be.
Darth_Maniac
Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:49 am
#15
See this thread and if u agree please say so:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=entertainer&message.id=11089
Darth_Maniac
Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:50 am
#16
See this thread and if you agree please say so:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=entertainer&message.id=11089
Darth_Maniac
Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:52 am
#17
Here is what I posted in the BH forums:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=269107
Darth_Maniac
Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:53 am
#18
Here is what I posted in the BH forums:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=bounty_hunter&message.id=269107
Groovymarlin
Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:16 am
#20
Beery wrote:
It's a great idea, but there's a big problem. Entertainers can't get in unless they have major combat skills. Since August last year I have lobbied SOE to give entertainers non-combatquests that will gain entrance to Jabba's Palace, but so far to no avail.
Well, I agree that there should be a non-combat way for entertainers to gain admittance. However, I disagree that you need "major combat skills" to do the quests.
Most of them are simple "run 700m away, escort someone back here" quests. The ones that do involve actual combat are pretty low level. If you have at least some marksman or brawler skills, you'll be fine. And unless you're a full on master dancer/musician/entertainer, chances are you have at least a little combat skill. Well unless you're all entertainment and crafting. Then again, I knew someone who was a master dancer/master tailor, and she still had points left for enough marksman to solo the Jabba's quests.
Ok whatever, now I'm rambling. The point is YES, there should be a non-combat way to gain admittance if they someday allow entertainer healing to take place in the throne room. (I like the idea of either a special entertainer quest, or allowing only master dancers, musicians and entertainers to enter via this second door.) However I don't want some entertainer reading this to think "Oh it's high level combat I could never get in with just my novice fencer skills" because it's simply not true. 
Xyrdre
Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:24 am
#21
Heh... it wasn't the Jabba missions directly that were so tough when I did them back when, and with only a small amount of marksman (oh, and a TKM / Master Swordsman along looking after me, just in case... ). It was the random spawns of Tusken Raiders that showed up right on top of half my missions that proved... problematic.
). It was the random spawns of Tusken Raiders that showed up right on top of half my missions that proved... problematic.
Beery
Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:56 am
#22
"Well, I agree that there should be a non-combat way for entertainers to gain admittance. However, I disagree that you need "major combat skills" to do the quests."
Well, I suppose it depends on what combat profession you choose. I disagree with you that you can complete the Jabba's Palace theme park with a low-level combat skill. If your friend did it, then she must have either been very lucky or very competent at combat - something few of us committed entertainers are. I did it with a character who was close to Master Pistoleer and I had problems with a couple of the quests. My point is, you're not going to get through the Jabba's Palace theme parkif your character isdevoted to entertaining in a major way. If you have Master Entertainer and Master Musician (as my primary character has right now), you don't have enough skill points (in my opinion)to become competent enough to do the full Jabba's Palace quest (unless you have some kick-ass armour, which few entertainers can possibly afford). As for people who have 3 masters in the entertainment field, well they are right out of luck - and these are the very people who could make Jabba's throne room a lot of fun.
Anyway,I think it would be better if master entertainers were to be found in Jabba's Palace, rather than the slitherhorn-equipped and Starwars1-playing novices that we find throughout cantinas in any town. I'm tired of hearing the same old low-level songs over and over again. If Jabba's Palace had a nice elite entertainer profession quest built into it, we'd be able to hear some of the nicer songs occasionally, and dancers and musicians would have more reason to keep the skills rather than dumping them due to lack of game content.
The wider issue is this: many entertainers find combat boring. Some (like me)just don't enjoy doing combat at all. Now I guessit could be argued that Jabba's Palace isn't the place for a non-combat entertainer. Fine. Then Jabba's Palace is hardly likely to become the hub that the original post advocated. Entertainers who do combat generally do combat toomuch of the time to sit for any length of time in a cantina - even one as interesting asJabba's throne room. In order for Jabba's throne room to be a hub of entertainment, we must get committed entertainers in there, by which I mean people who entertain as their primary job, and who spend more than 50% of their day entertaining.
The simple fact is that if Jabba's Palace is to becomea fun meeting place where something is always going on, entertainers must be able to access it through entertainer (i.e. non-combat) quests. If they can't, it will remain just another theme park, where you collect your combatbadge and move on.
Message Edited by Beery on 08-01-2004 02:01 PM
Aleyo
Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:37 am
#23
Beery wrote:If you have Master Entertainer and Master Musician (as my primary character has right now), you don't have enough skill points (in my opinion) to become competent enough to do the full Jabba's Palace quest (unless you have some kick-ass armour, which few entertainers can possibly afford).
Ahem, that's flatly untrue
.As you can see in my sig, I had plenty of skill points left over after Musician and Entertainer to become a master in TK, and when I did the quests a few days ago, I did them easily unbuffed and without armor.
Now, I'd be more willing to agree that entertainers aren't willing/wanting to invest the skill points in combat professions
. I think the second door idea is a great idea, and would like to see it put in, probably with some kind of 'perform at this cantina and listen to this guy's conversation' spy mission to get admission .
Beery
Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:46 am
#24
"Ahem, that's flatly untrue "
You're absolutely right. When I was thinking of the example, I forgotthat the character I was thinking ofhad a master crafting skill too. Anyway, I think we're getting away from my point, which is that non-combat professionals must be able to get into the palace if it is to become a social hub. I think we can all agree on that.
Zilod
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:45 pm
#25
yup i can get ask some friends to help me get in
or i can grab buffs, a compo armor (cough money)
and do the jabba quest by myself but...
i'm a pacefull musician not a fighter, i have not to prove my valor to be invited by jabba and play my mando there...
i want to be invited (or hired) cause i'm a good musician and my name is so well know in the galaxy (ehm let's say on tatooine) that even the mighty Jabba invited me to perform there (hoping to not meet the pit rancor 
)
)so in my opinion yes jabbas mission are doable even by entertainers but an entertainer should gain acced due to his music/dancer merits, the second (entertainer) entrace is still my fav
Xyrdre
Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:30 pm
#26
Of course, if we're keeping everything totally in-character about this..
I would never want to be "invited" to play at Jabba's palace. I get the strange feeling that the entryway is a one-way street... if you know what I mean. Max Rebo's under "exclusive contract"... uh huh. He can never leave... vertically...
Never forget... it's not really a palace. He's a vile Hutt crime-lord, and NOT a nice guy...