Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: The Infamous January Publish Quote...
Everseeker
Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:28 am
#66
FallOut1214 wrote:
"... Otherwise this game is going to be left with nothing but Star Wars fanboys who go to conventions dressed in Jedi robes with aluminum foil lightsabers. And I don't think there's enough of those guys to support an MMO...."
I attended Celabration II in Indianopolis, IN (Just before the release of SW episode II) because my son is one of the Jedi-Robe-Foil-Lightsaber crowd.
I too expected 1000-5000 people.
Umm... there wereover 100 thousand there. the lines to get into some of the venus were 4-5 hours long
Lucas has a heck of a big fan base....Do not underestimate that base... and I suspect that 99% of them probably have SWG account(s)
Ender007
Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:21 am
#67
WHAT AN ABSOLUTE WASTE of my time this profession has become. Why did i get into it? I wanted to make something USEFUL so I could SELL things for a PROFIT. I'm not sure what you think about utility droids.. they MAY fit these above requirments, but then again this could just be another, "WE HEAR YOU AND WE UNDERSTAND" post like back in OCTOBER which TH used to SHUT US UP.
Sorry for the caps but I do feel we just got bent over the dev's desk....
Ender007
Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:22 am
#68
duncje wrote:
JustG-
We all understand that priorities change, however, you could have informed us about this when you knew about the change, instead of letting us get crushed by false hopes in the 2 months since you stated that we (DE's) would be the main focus for January.
Nobody's calling you a liar, but your quote from November (and, so far, it's results) are typical of what DE's have been hearing since launch. We've been told, numerous times, by different people, that we were "next on the list", and these few bug fixes in Pub 6 are the first ones that have been fixed since launch.
And, I must say, adding ONE module slot to the Advanced BLL makes it half as useful as an MSE. And the basic BLL is still worth diddly...
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dolem1te
Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:27 am
#69
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JustG wrote:
Howdy. This is from another post I made, but it refers specifically to you guys so I am going to repost it here. I am sure there will be alot more conversation about it later. :-)
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Glad you brought up the Droid post. Let's use that as an example of how things change.
I said, in my newsletter, that the January publish would be focussed on Droids. After that, Lucas and SOE agreed that Publish 6 would be focussed on the Imperial Crackdown, for two reasons:
1) Increase the feeling of Imperial oppresion to make the game more Star Wars feeling
2) Give us the time necessary to treat the droids with the amount of energy they deserve.
In Publish 6 (the publish I referred to), the following things are happening:
I said, in my newsletter, that the January publish would be focussed on Droids. After that, Lucas and SOE agreed that Publish 6 would be focussed on the Imperial Crackdown, for two reasons:
1) Increase the feeling of Imperial oppresion to make the game more Star Wars feeling
2) Give us the time necessary to treat the droids with the amount of energy they deserve.
In Publish 6 (the publish I referred to), the following things are happening:
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should have just let us know this sooner and you would be spared all this grief
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l Added general module slot to the advanced Binary Load lifter droid, and both basic and advanced protocol droids.
l Droid storage compartments are now using droid experimentation rather than artisan.
l Droid customization tool now gives droid crafting xp instead of general xp
l Droid socket modules can no longer be plugged into one another.
l Multi-crafting station module droid capability fixed for some cases where one type would over-ride another type.
l Combat-related stats removed from examine windows for non-combat-capable droids
l Item Storage Module 2's now really are that, instead of becoming data storage module 2's during the crafting process.
l Added transition from combat to normal idle for Probe Droid.
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woopty doo? this shouldnt have been broken like this in the first place. nor is it that complicated of a problem to fix and should have been fixed long ago.
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So while Droids are not the MAIN focus, we are addressing some of the DE issues. In the next two publishes, after crackdown, we ARE focussing specifically on Droids. We plan on implementing combat droids (< level 10) in P7, and Utility Droids in P8.
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so no plan on combat droids greater level 10 now? or just no plan on them in the next 2 publishes?
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Herein lies the main problem with telling the players anything. Things Change. Things change based on the current state of the game, and the desires of our publisher. And the second that they change, you drag up old posts and start screaming LIARS!!!
Do we lie to you? No. Do we tell you information that changes? Absolutely.
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oh my god, did he just say what i think he did? you told us information that changed way after it was changed, not the second they change. come on man. this is what we are screaming about. you guys just dont seem to think clearly about what you type before you type it.
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But things are going to change. If you want more information, you have to be prepared for that information to change. That is the very nature of MMOG's.
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Agreed, JUST TELL US WHEN IT CHANGES AND DONT SPRING **edit** ON US LIKE THIS!
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I want to keep you very informed about what is happening in our studio, for your game, because it really is your game. We are trying to have open discussions with you. We are trying to get the In Concept> In Dev > In Test > In Live system working. Please understand that this business is extremely unpredictable at times.
thx,
- g
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If you are truly trying to keep us informed, then do it. you can not possibly expect us to believe that soe and lucas arts made the decision to change the january publish 6 (which is coming in february) just this very week to enhance GCW instead of droids like you promised since the publish notes have been out for what? almost 2 weeks? come on now, we arent kindergarteners here. just admit you didnt give us the information in a timely matter and we will get off your back.
HythosSWG
Thu Feb 05, 2004 10:56 am
#71
Hey G!
Thanks for giving us an update...
However I feel that SWG is missing the mark - part of what makes it unique in this realm of "MMORPG's" -
That is the simple fact that professions are not meant to be equal.
Balance should NOT be an issue. Any Master Entertainer "type"or crafter would be no match against a Novice Marksman or brawler.
Because of this, ANY arguement of "X being unbalancing against Y" is ABSOLUTELY INVALID.
HawkCormyr
Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:00 am
#72
D a m n forum .... that explain my empty post ....
First thank -g for comming here and speaking, and i show great respect for your work .
But what your announcing are ethier small bug fixes that we have learn to live with :
Droid storage compartments are now using droid experimentation rather than artisan. Droid customization tool now gives droid crafting xp instead of general xp Combat-related stats removed from examine windows for non-combat-capable droids Item Storage Module 2's now really are that, instead of becoming data storage module 2's during the crafting process. Added transition from combat to normal idle for Probe Droid.
or serious ones that exists since the launch and the game and should have been fixed a long time ago :
Added general module slot to the advanced Binary Load lifter droid, and both basic and advanced protocol droids.
Droid socket modules can no longer be plugged into one another. Multi-crafting station module droid capability fixed for some cases where one type would over-ride another type.
And by the way the basic BLL still have no module so it has zero utility
Do not come saying you are communicating with the DE community we have to force you to ear us otherwise we have nothing except a loud silence like between the time you announce the droids change and the moment TH come with the Droid handler nothing between november and january ...
I know it is not true , but some ( a great part ? ) members of the DE community think that the DEVs hate our profession, maybe you should ask yourselves why this is happening ...
Brockalisk
Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:04 am
#73
*was clueless that massive DE and droid changes weren't in this publish until seeing (lack of) droid content in patch notes*
I feel like such a sucker. 
TyeDyeBoy
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:15 pm
#74
I, uh, just want to take a moment to get this straight, be sure I'm on the same page here.
So what you're saying is that the developers are under no responsibility to keep their word in any way, shape, or form, to the community because 'things change,' nor are you responsible for alerting us to the fact that something has 'changed' in a timely manner.
Gotcha.
Dolem1te
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:35 pm
#75
i can understand that things change, its just silly that he sits there and tries to make us believe that we were informed of the change the second it happened.
Sketh
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:40 pm
#76
I would love to see a dev response to a post here.... to know that this is communication, and not just a drive by posting...
Shian_Tavkin
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:53 pm
#77
When an organization that has plainly lied..
Tells the community it does not lie..
Well...make of that what you will.
For myself, being told that the "Publisher" ordered the change in priorities is one thing,and thats acceptable (if it's true).
It's not being told that this happened (when it happened) that has made me feel cheated of time and hope. It is a deceipt whichever way you look at it.
Dolem1te
Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:15 pm
#78
Barfalomue wrote:
JustG,
Rather than come up with excuses, I would find it more constructive and better for all of US in this player community if you would go to the "Publisher" or whoever changed the schedule and complain to them that the customers have been expecting "x" for "y" amount of time and will be very displeased with all of SOE if "x" does not come out on date "z" when told it would.
If you are a spokesperson for the DE community and the player community, you SHOULD put your pride aside and rather than getting offended, attempt to do something about it in our and your favor.
AMEN!!!