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darkmane

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:16 pm

JustG--

As one of the people who called you and TH a liar I want to point out WHY I thought that.

See, I wasn't in the design meetings, nor did I recieve any of your internal emails stating that you were changing your priorities. All I saw was the initial quote from November and the announcement that Chef's were getting a revamp and the Crackdown was coming. I knew that DEs had never made food and that there was already a class called Chef, so that I had been lied to was an obvious conclusion. You understand right?

See basically you made a deal with us "Be patient, your profession will be recieving attention in January", then you changed your minds and we got 6 bug fixes, with no explanation as to why the deal was changed. While I'm sure your license agreement indemnifies you from accusations of fraud, I hope you understand why I might have felt shafted.

Basically what I'm saying is that from your perspective it was obvious that we (the players aka your customers)were not being lied to, with the poor communication made it difficult for us to tell.

Additional gaffs :

Saying DEs WANTED a DH profession,

Making us soundlike spoiled brats when the DH profession was declared dead

Saying to Drasshk that a"balanced" certificate system would be consideredand the publicly stating again and again that no cretificate system would be acceptable

the final insult saying that every certification system boiled down to "Free combat power".

on THs part exacerbated the situation by angering the community reducing the effecctiveness of communication by introducing a lot of noise. Had in mid Dec. or earlyJanuary when the decision was made to change priority, the reasons been communicated and a promise of "All practical bug fixes" being included, I would be a much happier player right now and I think you would have spent less time putting out fires.

Malitevv

Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:38 pm

#80

darkmane wrote:

Additional gaffs :

Saying DEs WANTED a DH profession,

yup. the anger and frustration level on these forums peaked when that statement was made, and from what I can tell, it still hasn't died down.

it makes some sense too. there was no better way for SOE to say "you people are irrelevant."

that's my 2 cr anyway. :-)

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FooGuevara

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:47 pm

#81

/emote tosses Sodan a pitchfork.
/emote grabs his torch.
/shout Let's get em!

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Sodan-droiddreamer

Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:59 pm

#82

FooGuevara wrote:
/emote tosses Sodan a pitchfork.
/emote grabs his torch.
/shout Let's get em!

/emote catches Foo's pitchfork.
/emote removes black Kryat leather gloves and folds them carefully.
/preen
/shout Heck yeah!

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Aeneus

Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:03 pm

#83

Woot Thanks JustG... information... I feel important again

Glory to the Empire

None2Soon

Thu Feb 05, 2004 7:40 pm

#84

I'm glad we got a response, though it's exactly what I'd expect. Thank you anyway.

I have onlytwo questions and since I don't read the Chef forums periodically someone might be able to answer this:

1. At what point in time were Chefs promised a complete revamp?

2. And if, since I never heard of the prospect from any chefs before the new year at least, what bungling idiot directed that developement hours be put into acomplete profession revamp(for a profession that was NOT important to the Star Warsy feel in SWG) while we DEs sat waiting for something that was promised but that now you now say you didn't have time to do correctly?

There are a lot of things in this patch besides the Imperial Crackdown that amount to feel good type fluff for a lot of subscribers of which Vehicle Painting is an example. There is obviously an effort to fix some issues for a wide range of classes with each patch. I believe we're getting nothing more than other professions in this regard. Whoever is was that directed you to spread yourselves so thin as to not have time for Droid Engineering (when you've admitted that it's highly important to the "feel" of Star Wars) should be hearing about our displeasure from you.

A slighted customer, when talking to Customer Service, wants to know two things...that someone will take ownership and responsibility for the problem and that it will be fixed. So far DEs have heard that it's our own fault and that responsibility for the non-fixes is that of a seperate company that you have no control over.

I can get past the wait for content and fixes as I have in other MMOs. What I find deplorableis the way in which the subcribers are treated in the interrim.

That is all.

Message Edited by None2Soon on 02-05-2004 08:43 PM

Barfalomue

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:17 am

#85

JustG,

Rather than come up with excuses, I would find it more constructive and better for all of US in this player community if you would go to the "Publisher" or whoever changed the schedule and complain to them that the customers have been expecting "x" for "y" amount of time and will be very displeased with all of SOE if "x" does not come out on date "z" when told it would.

If you are a spokesperson for the DE community and the player community, you SHOULD put your pride aside and rather than getting offended, attempt to do something about it in our and your favor.

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OrionsByte

Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:51 am

#86

TyeDyeBoy wrote:

I, uh, just want to take a moment to get this straight, be sure I'm on the same page here.

So what you're saying is that the developers are under no responsibility to keep their word in any way, shape, or form, to the community because 'things change,' nor are you responsible for alerting us to the fact that something has 'changed' in a timely manner.

Gotcha.

I think the community is partly at fault here, simply because we tend to take anything the DEVs say as if it's been written in stone. Granted, they've made an aweful lot of mistakes over the last several months, but shame on us for continuing to put that much stock in thier posts. We should have learned a long time ago that when the DEVs say something will happen, that it will likely change. The DEVs, in turn, should have learned a long time ago not to make statements to the community that will be taken as if they were written in stone.

I'm aware that I tend to be too quick to give someone the "benefit of the doubt," but frankly I think the DEV team is making a concerted effort to up communication. I really have seen a change since the forums were reorganized, and hopefully once the dust settles from that reorganization the communcation will improve.

All that aside, I'm actually quite surprised at how many people keep saying that the "Droid Invasion" has been aborted. I read all the developer posts, and no one ever said that.

In fact, if you get past JustG's post for which this thread was named, the schedule for droids really became clear sometime in December (I'm not going to go digging for the exact posts, but I know I read them). They announced that due to the sucess of the last two publishes, they were going to give each publish a theme.They said that the next publish would be called "Imperial Crackdown" and the patch after that would be "Droid Invasion." Based on that, I never expected the droid invasion to be coming in January. I saw the same post you guys did that said combat droids were coming in January, but I set that post aside as being irrelevant shortly after reading the themed publish schedule.

It seems to me that sometimes we pick and choose which posts we're going to listen to.

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Cedig

Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:41 am

#87

/stands upwind of sketh

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Bearalag

Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:19 am

#88

Thanks for the info jG

Although I was a little perturbed to be anxiously waiting for the next Publish which was to focuss on DE, then to read the notes and find out that we only got acouple of Bug Fixes. A note telling us your focuss had changed (a couple of weeks ago) would have been nice.

Thanks again. We waited this long, I guess another month is nothing.

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Marc_Deltram

Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:55 am

#89

Sketh wrote:

And still no dev response....

I hope you're not holding your breath. I'm certainly not.

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Droid_Engineer_Rho

Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:57 am

#90

Marc_Deltram wrote:
Sketh wrote:
And still no dev response....
I hope you're not holding your breath. I'm certainly not.

*turns blue and collapses*

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duncje

Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:10 pm

#91

Droid_Engineer_Rho wrote:

Marc_Deltram wrote:

Sketh wrote:

And still no dev response....

I hope you're not holding your breath. I'm certainly not.

*turns blue and collapses*

Ack.

/gets out his surgical droid...

*Low Power*

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