Droid Engineer Archive

Thread: CH's are at it again

Shian_Tavkin
Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:47 pm
#53

Nope - CH get the dev time because most of the devs from HOLOCRON all the way down, were ex UO tamers who left UO in disgust at Tamer Nerfs in that game.


Thankfully, and at last, the mix is changing in Dev Land


But (and there is always a but) the havoc they created will take time to de-construct. It is happening, but very very slowly.



The days of CH are numbered as an Uber profession, and as a hybrid profession. They had too many checkers, now they don't have so many. One day they will have none, because they just do not fit in with the premise of this game.


Frankly I could not (note the not American peeps please) care less about the future of CH..its none of my business..but I do know that my customers ALL would change a creature for a droid if they could for the sake of what this game is supposed to be about - Starwars.


I will try very hard not to hate CH, but they are the reason DE is now what it is, and they can deny it untill they are blue in the face. It still remains a fact. Devs loved them and didn't love us..but it is changing. Mostly because even in Dev land they see the paying customers want Droids not 'Pets'.


We were nerfed from the beginning, and though it will get me flamed most likely, it's our 'pure crafters' who have hurt us the most since then, cos it's them that sent the false message to TH and Co Ltd (tm) that led to the foolishness if Droid Handler.


Grr I do hate this subject..and I was a Tamer in UO lol. I was also a GM Blacksmith when it meant something to master that)


Hi Pluto btw


I feel better now, but like some other things, I will probably regret it in the morning









Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
Gron_DM
Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:03 pm
#54

there is no pretty answer there is a lot of professions in the game and they all need work. DE's are bitter, CH's are bitter everyone whom had an expectation and saw it taken away (or never show) is bitter. DE's need attention, CH's need to be a more domestic prof and not be able to solo groups of other non-ch players. Balance is always an issue and after all the nerf's CH's are still not balanced and DE's have had so little attention most are quiting or play rarely. its a nasty solution all we can do is keep the noise as unified as possible so the DEVs know where here. Woody's idea was one of the better ones make a presense on TC and maintain a stronger unity. People in general not just CH's are going to troll fine let them dont bother feeding them though please, not even the cute remarks



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Shian_Tavkin
Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:14 pm
#55

Well I have no isea if that was directed at me, but I heard Woody good and well and have a TC char now (albeit a grovelling newbie)



I'm in with the plan..something HAS to be done to make some important people see sense.







Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
DarkMist25
Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:15 pm
#56

So youbelieve that the CH profession is the reason why DE's are so downtrodden now, Shian? Thats not a assesment i agree with, but to each their own. However, please remember this. No CH player has ever said "Let's keep DE downtrodden so we can remain unchallenged". Don't blame the players who enjoy very much being a CH for the DE problems. Everyone's out here to have their own brand of fun. Every profession should be considered equally important, and none should be looked down upon because of that profession's supposed links to some dev conspiracy theory.



Azahlun Nai'Shadrin--Artisan,DE,Swordsman--Ahazi
marxo777
Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:36 am
#57

Noog you bonehead, CH's dont sell their pets man. Why buy a pet you can go get yerself. As for the permadeath thing yer talkin aboutit was tried and everyone quit using droids at the time. No more nerfs plain and simple. They jus' need to give DE's a lot of love right now. Even the pikemen agree with that.




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Shian_Tavkin
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:27 am
#58

Lol Darkmist I don't blame any player who is trying to have fun, the responsibility for the current state of affairs is squarely with the Dev team.


As to CH wanting to keep us downtrodden? I have no idea if they do or not, nor do I care very much. I have seen suggestions that 'it makes logical sense to have DH incorporated into CH' posts from some of their number..but thats reallyneither here nor there.


But back to your first point, that I believe CH as a professionis much of the reason DE is so downtrodden now, and you don't agree with me?Well, count the number of 'creatures' in the world and consider the work that went into making all that exist, then consider the countless man hours of work thathave been squandered to first build, then modify (over and over and over)the CH profession. Now take a leap of faith and imagine where DE could be if we had had even a tiny fraction of that Development time.


We have had virtually nothing in the way of development time since way before release, as evidenced by our current state and our semi permanent list of outstanding issues. And CH are now asking for even more game modifications to consume our precious slice of allocated development.


Hmm, don't agree with my assessment if you don't want to, but I reserve the right to look down on the abomination of a Starwars design that is CH.






Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
Shian_Tavkin
Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:34 am
#59

Hail CapnSteve


Correct Sir, they were developers at UO. My mistake not to make that clearer.


and....Yay thanks for the 'Could not' support. It irks me every time I see 'I could care less' since, as your enlightened eyes have seen it actually means the opposite of what is meant.


heh lots of trivia..nevermind






Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
Aakhperkare
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:10 am
#60

So, you guys are pissed about waiting still (which I don't blame you) and feel like taking it out on CH's. Fine...the hell with you...
Aakhperkare
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:13 am
#61






Nailliar wrote:
You all wonder why CH is the most powerful and Easily the most Attention-slathered professsion... The former SWG creative developer and now SOE creative director or some title Holocron was the Pet Developer from his last company and game... AO I believe, could be wrong, I was playing EQ at the time. Any wonder that the man who made pets in his other job would make them so prominent in the next game he worked on and was partially in charge of.?!?!?! I'd say that was a hiring Mis-Match...look at the evidence....P-O-K-E Wars vs. Star Wars and Droids.






Actually, CH is one of the weakest combat professions in the game (if we can be called that). We are weak because CH has to be supplimented with another combat profession, or 9 times out of 10, our pets will die without help...
Aakhperkare
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:19 am
#62






Ackis wrote:






Lonkley wrote:

I saw your posts in the CH forum Ackis, and I wasnt going to say anything, but since you started a thread. You are totally out of line to go into their thread and **edit** about their profession. It is trolling, and it is rude. and im no CH lover either.They have every righttoask for fixes to their profession. Your posts just makes DE's look whiny, and its sad to see you proudly boast that you're trolling their forum.





Go jump off a cliff please.


I'm sick of all the stupid **edit**s who are calling me a troll. CHs are whining for MORE to be added to their damned class. After being overpowered and having NO **edit**ing place in THIS game they keep on asking for more. Not enough that they already have had 5-6 months of DEV time, they're complaining because they don't have the uber pet. I am not out of line in my posts. Did you READ the first **edit**ing post in their thread? Wedemand these **edit**ing creatures in out class, blah blah blah. The creatures listed ARE more than the choices DEs have and it gets a red-name response? Bull**edit**. If you're going to have a petition then it's open to EVERYONE, not just those who are going to sign it.


So, I rephrase again: jump off a cliff. Also, **edit** off.


Oh yah, don't use that stupid **edit**ing rant thing because it's **edit**ing lame to make someone who wants to quote you have to go into the html and remove it as a tag.


Quit **edit**ing trolling.





Well what are we supposed to do Ackis? Do you go to other forums for professions you don't blame and start asking for that profession to have more things or better things?


There is a difference between adding new tameables and new droids. Unless you want R2 D2 with a CDEF pistol strapped to its head. The models for tameables are already there,the (baby) just needs to be added. With droids, it's a little difference, because they are craftable and would need different models.


The reason that petition was for CH's is because it was in the CH forum. Or did you go to the wrong forum by accident?


By the way, CH's have gotten one red name response in the last month. And that was TH's comment in that very petition. If you hate CH's so much, then ignore them because I am sure they hate you now too...


Shian_Tavkin
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:47 am
#63

If you don't like CH ignore them?


If only that were possible !! Sad truth however is they are everywhere, and you only have to listen to a snippet of what they say to know they want even more Dev time. CH has had enough Dev time already. Actually more than enough. In fact too much.





Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
Pluto9Moon
Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:47 am
#64

You tell em Aakh, some of these people are too intelligent to act so so ingnorant.

DE's believe we wanted our nerfed attention. I hope to god they take you outta the game or nerf you so i can say you asked for it as well.

While I am for the DH profession by itself, I would be against it being in the CH class. But i will dabble it or mix it in with my already existing but very seperate CH skills when the time comes.

Go ahead one star me again lol it means my point is getting acrossed. My kids pout when they see the truth too.



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Lonkley
Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:26 am
#65






Shian_Tavkin wrote:

But back to your first point, that I believe CH as a professionis much of the reason DE is so downtrodden now, and you don't agree with me?Well, count the number of 'creatures' in the world and consider the work that went into making all that exist, then consider the countless man hours of work thathave been squandered to first build, then modify (over and over and over)the CH profession. Now take a leap of faith and imagine where DE could be if we had had even a tiny fraction of that Development time.






Thats a poor assessment. CH and creature taming is a byproduct. Without creatures, there's nothing for people to shoot. (well a lot less). Taming them and making them a pet becomes a minor extension. And for all the flurry about these "Demands" the reality is that the devs probably need only change a few percentages in a database table. hardly a grand expenditure of time. im amazed this thread is still alive at this point.








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