Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: Publish 7 Update
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Javelin is telling me that he needed 3 stim kits to help his new Probot take a crazed guerreck on Endor. Those are 3 (on Live) that someone will have to buy soon. We WANT that.
Do we WANT this? Droid Batteries are one of the reasons people dont use droids. The end user hassle factor and his ultimate cost to benefit rationalization. With the increase of complexity, both resource and component wise, DE's will be inclinedto raise their prices. While eager customers are still dealing with the shock that is the "Droid Invasion" we will be raising prices andadding on-going cost of droid ownership. If they could have put in just one new chassis this would not be such an issue.
One of the Two DE issues that has never been acknowledged is a need for droid uniqueness. To exaberate this they are heralding the combat modules which sttrip the probot of its inherint ability and at the same type making an effort to make pets and droids the same in combat utility.
One test Im curious about is which will win in a fight? A max combat R3 or a max Probot.
hmm, most complain only about the armor ratings.
imo its even more rediculous that R-units can fihgt! thats silly and even with higher HAM then a Probot which is the only real combat style driod actually :/
i was hoping for new chassis for combat droids, but an R3 unit with highest HAM now is imo more then silly.
just give then a mouse 10k ham and 500 dmg is next patch? /sarcasm off
dammit devs, do things right and not mess up everthing, we DEs wait to long already for fixing our class.
changes are fine and balance issues might be also fine, but make the simple system first right. a R-unit shouldnt fight. period.
u should come up with more chassis if u want to make combat droids varity.
i dont know, but that news dont make me at all exited here, i see not much of a advancement in DE with this changes.
so guess i need to keep hoping for some senseful changes some day
/still dissapointed
ask a Dev 
Ackis wrote:
I think there's one thing missing here.
I'd much rather have a probot with 10 damage and 1k ham with 40% medium armour.
Why do I say that? Because we need tanks. If my probot can go up against a mob and last longer, while doing less damage that's better for me, because I can get more experience from killing the mob. It's that simple.
Has anyone confirmed that this is a retroactive change, that my current probot with 820 ham and 40% medium armour is going to have 20% resists with no armour, but still have the same damage/ham? If they nerf the armour on all droids, they have to change everything else with it as well... you can't have one without the other here.
Jenden was nice enough to post screenies of all the new schematics.
http://jenden.endofinternet.net/schematics/schematics.htm
Fresh off today's patch notes:
Droids: "Conversing" Droids can now be repair droids if they have a repair module in them.
AAAAHHHH!
/faint
RasalTheWise wrote:
Now I know this won't come as a new concept for some of you, but this is for those who are wondering what they are going to do with all the 8xx HAM probots after Publish 7. Use MARKETING, people! Sell them at a discount as "entry-level" probots. Newbies will buy them 'cause they're affordable and they will upgrade later to a better, more expensive model when they can afford it. And boom, there goes the old stock, and it generates more revenue by selling two droids to one customer.
One persons marketing, another persons scam...
I'm sorry, but suggesting to anyone that the old HAM Probots are any good (noob or not) is deceptive, ESPECIALLY if they have no real armor. Am I also going to tell that noobie to spend all their money on Droid Stims too - as we all know that noobies have tons of disposable income... 
This does not change the fact that the Dev team told us through our former correspondent to stock up on as many as we could, nor does it change the fact that to anyone that understands armor ratings, etc. this will be seen as a GREAT BIG NERF to anyone that knows anything.
So while we may be able to "market" (read : fool) people who don't know any better into buying the new droids with their higher HAM and higher Damage but absolutely dead armor, that will not last once people catch on to the true state of droids in a post-armor rating galaxy.
That is forgivable - we can deal with it - but I am still absolutely disgusted that the nerf is retroactive, making previous droids useless (and no, I don't think many people will rush out to buy a new droid with slightly better damage but a LOT worse tanking ability once their current probot "dies" with the armor nerf), and again that we were told to stock up on these droids YET they nerf them too. Make them obsolete by bringing new droids in, not destroying what we already have.
Audio
TheRealTK421 wrote:
/bow
DionDroids wrote:
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Javelin is telling me that he needed 3 stim kits to help his new Probot take a crazed guerreck on Endor. Those are 3 (on Live) that someone will have to buy soon. We WANT that.
Do we WANT this?
Well, people have been down that we couldn't heal droids like...let's see.....forever.
So, yes, we want this (but I know what you meant).
To clarify....
The report I made was a bit misrepresentative. He used 3 'charges' for a single kit. A pretty big difference from what I wrote.
From what I can tell, droid 'stim' Bs will do quite well in most every situation. Thankfully, this frees us a bit from having to be so hawkish, as Kollos pointed out, about our rare resource needs.
Respectfully (and a bit tired too),
LOL, you still aren't addressing the point, TK.
You seem to believe that "Those are 3 (charges)...that someone will have to buy soon."
People are NOT going to be spending constant upkeep for a crappy CL-10 droid with no real armor.
When creature pets stepped down from CL-15 to CL-10, they pet-stim market all but dried up. Most of the time when I see someone with a pet it's just that - like a little kitty or something they use for Role-playing.
Again, it's like arguing before that droid perma-death would increase sales - not seeing the fact that most people are going to roll their eyes and say, "All that for a stinkin' weak pet?"
Once word gets out of this nerf, I fear we will be in an even worse place than we were before the "Invasion" in terms of customers. Those few that found our Probots useful as low-level tanks will no longer be able to.
I mean, is a rifleman going to stop fighting every 15 seconds, run up, stim his droid, then run back 60m and start shooting again? Come on.
Audio
(edit: typo - or/for)
Message Edited by AudioOrgana on 03-11-2004 02:50 PM
AudioOrgana wrote:
LOL, you still aren't addressing the point, TK.
You seem to believe that "Those are 3 (charges)...that someone will have to buy soon."
People are NOT going to be spending constant upkeep for a crappy CL-10 droid with no real armor.
When creature pets stepped down from CL-15 to CL-10, they pet-stim market all but dried up. Most of the time when I see someone with a pet it's just that - like a little kitty or something they use for Role-playing.
Again, it's like arguing before that droid perma-death would increase sales - not seeing the fact that most people are going to roll their eyes and say, "All that for a stinkin' weak pet?"
Once word gets out of this nerf, I fear we will be in an even worse place than we were before the "Invasion" in terms of customers. Those few that found our Probots useful as low-level tanks will no longer be able to.
I mean, is a rifleman going to stop fighting every 15 seconds, run up, stim his droid, then run back 60m and start shooting again? Come on.
Kollos wrote:
Pet stims sell for use on high level pets, not on CL 10 beetles, rabbits, and other assorted pests.
/bow
DionDroids wrote:
TheRealTK421 wrote:
Javelin is telling me that he needed 3 stim kits to help his new Probot take a crazed guerreck on Endor. Those are 3 (on Live) that someone will have to buy soon. We WANT that.
Do we WANT this?
Well, people have been down that we couldn't heal droids like...let's see.....forever.
So, yes, we want this (but I know what you meant).
To clarify....
The report I made was a bit misrepresentative. He used 3 'charges' for a single kit. A pretty big difference from what I wrote.
From what I can tell, droid 'stim' Bs will do quite well in most every situation. Thankfully, this frees us a bit from having to be so hawkish, as Kollos pointed out, about our rare resource needs.
Respectfully (and a bit tired too),