Droid Engineer Archive
Thread: OUCH! THAT HURT!
To add a little more to my previous post, I know EXACTLY what I HAVE, and it is sorely lacking. Me, and every other DE in the game want to know what we are GOING to have. I am sure you are all wet about it, but we don't have a clue. Based on your past judgement, and what you have plugged during and before your tenior as DE Coorespondent, I really can't see getting excited about the same thing as YOU. YOU will not be the judge of what I find exciting.
TheRealTK421 wrote:
To be fair, you don't know what we have yet.
/bow
jemelby wrote:
TheRealTK421 wrote:
To be fair, you don't know what we have yet.
Ya know TK, I have not been negative towards you in the pastbecause I know you have a tough job. I can't let this one pass. I have been here reading and posting since the very begining. I have seen all manner of posts from every side of every issue.
This is the most asinine (1) thing I have EVER seen posted from someone who should know better.
I respectfully disagree. He made a comment that we didn't have information (basically).All I was point out that it wasn't fair to bash anything yet since he didn't know the real deal yet.
And...yes, I've already asked twice now about the ETA on releasing the updated info. I don't know when it will happen or why they decided to wait (yet).
Thereare hundreds of post pleading for nothing more than communication and information. You dang right we don't know. You can't or won't tell us, and the DEVs won't tell us. And don't give me that line about them being afraid to tell us. It just don't wash.
It may not wash for you but it is what it is...they aren't going to want to push a publish list to the forums that might not be fully and 100% 'locked' and approved for TC. When it is, I'm sure TH will make the info push to the boards. All I can say is that I'm not yet allowed to release the information update.
You'll just have to trust me that it contains some major items.
Quit being such a apple polishing sycophant (2) and fix it. A post like that is nothing but troll bait, and it seriously erodes any credibility you have left.
- Asinine: 1) Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.2) Of, relating to, or resembling an ass.
- Syncophant: 1) A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
Hmmm...well, I'm sorry you see me this way. That's okay. I understand why you say that. And, I'm not here to win anyone's favor, man. I'm here to get some changes happening for DEs that will help us all out. I couldn't care less what the Devs actually think of me one way or another. As long as the results happen, that's what matters.
And I can tell you that this new information has some "results".....in spades.
The number one priority that I have right now is getting this info out to you ASAP. Considering what I've brought to the DEs lately, do you not think that this would be my very highest issue?
Respectfully,
Message Edited by Barfalomue on 04-09-2004 02:55 PM
Barfalomue wrote:
I still don't understand, yet find it humerous, as to why game companies keep everything under wraps. Like someone is going to come along and steal the idea when another company has already said this is what they are doing? LOL.
I thought that was what the In Development forum was for. They post things that are in the works and we discuss them and they tweak things or not depending on the discussions.
TheRealTK421 wrote:
It may not wash for you but it is what it is...they aren't going to want to push a publish list to the forums that might not be fully and 100% 'locked' and approved for TC. When it is, I'm sure TH will make the info push to the boards. All I can say is that I'm not yet allowed to release the information update.
SirVimes wrote:
If you read what he says, they are telling the image designers that their stuff is being delayed until after the main part of publish 8. (Remember, the main publish comes in, then a mini publish). Are you really complaining that TH is not coming in here to give you bad news? Perhaps TH does not have any bad news to give you?
Thunderheart wrote:
I just wanted to stop by and let you folks what to expect. The Image Designer enhancements were pretty time consuming in terms of art, development and programming. A couple of the items in the list Kwee has been discussing were actually very intensive and to do them right, its going to take a little extra time.
So what we will be doing is an "Image Designer" mini-publish during the Publish 8 cycle. My best guess at this time is early May.
"You're getting everything you want, but its going to be a few weeks later" is not exactly "bad news" in my book.
If it is, I beg TH to pummel the DE's with bad news.
A jaded, cynical DE could look at Every post TH makes in ID as twisting the knife in the back of DE. Good thing there arent any jaded and cynical DEs.
And if TH wont comment on items that havent been finished, i guess based on his comments today, the ID stuff is set in stone. Havent heard much about droids though. I wonder what that means...
Patch 8 - Droids Rebuilt should be retitled Galaxy Makeover.
Message Edited by Lonkley on 04-09-2004 12:45 PM
Jenden wrote:They don't post on here because every time they do they get flamed to all hell... If they give us any bit of information and it either doesn't end up happening for one reason or another or the information isn't to our liking (even if it is good info for us) the only thing they get in return is flames and rants. I don't blame them for not posting here. I'm just hoping with the good deal of recent DE turnover the tone shifts a bit more positive as many of those who are always negative leave. Before I get bitched out, I've got nothing against arguments, nothing against debates, and nothing against a little fire under the devs to get things moving. Its the pointless and continuous rants and flames that are the problem.
Interesting theory.
Maybe you could show us those posts they made that turned into full flames.
I'm just currious, never saw one.
Tk do you have any idea HOW LONG this community has been waiting, BETA, before Sin was corro. Your analagy of going to moon doesnt fly, well actually it does cause they go to the moon and get rocks and come back alot quicker then they have done anything with de. Sorry they have failed miserably and defending them puts you right there with them.
What kind of wonderful things could come along frankly?
They have taken away low lvl pets totally, Low lvl droids, Seriously tell me one single time you ever see anyone using a droid or pet that isnt a ch in this game. They talk about balance but what balance can this prof have?
Guns can be sliced or varied drastically for quality and add powerups
Armor the same
People the same
Droids well they just suck, so explain to me how balance has a single thing to do with it? If they wanted balance then ever gun armor etc would be like droids. The only thing in this game balanced is the lack of content for this prof.
Yeh there are utility droids coming, a r2 with disko lights ARE YOU KIDDING ME. Who thought that gem up.
Sorry bud, it stinks nothing is changing, there promise for better communication was like all others empty.
And frankly your position as corospondent didnt come from your wonderful thought out posts in the beggining it came from the sucking up that was done after you said what you really felt back when your words actually meant somthing.
For your own benefit quit this scam of a post you hold and save what respect people still have for you.
I could go on and on about the LIES and posts Thunderheart put on these boards PAGES of them over time, and yet we still hear it takes time. Have you by chance checked your friends list recently Time isnt on there side anymore, Games areon the horizon and frankly at this pace they wont survive.
Sorry for the rant but i respect your posts of the past, one of the few i truely thought had some meaning when they wrote, but recently its nothing more then a thunder pawn.
Best Regards
Sinsins
Sinnare wrote:
Tk do you have any idea HOW LONG this community has been waiting, BETA, before Sin was corro. Your analagy of going to moon doesnt fly, well actually it does cause they go to the moon and get rocks and come back alot quicker then they have done anything with de. Sorry they have failed miserably and defending them puts you right there with them.
jemelby wrote:
TheRealTK421 wrote:
To be fair, you don't know what we have yet.
Ya know TK, I have not been negative towards you in the pastbecause I know you have a tough job. I can't let this one pass. I have been here reading and posting since the very begining. I have seen all manner of posts from every side of every issue.
This is the most asinine (1) thing I have EVER seen posted from someone who should know better.
Thereare hundreds of post pleading for nothing more than communication and information. You dang right we don't know. You can't or won't tell us, and the DEVs won't tell us. And don't give me that line about them being afraid to tell us. It just don't wash.
Quit being such a apple polishing sycophant (2) and fix it. A post like that is nothing but troll bait, and it seriously erodes any credibility you have left.
- Asinine: 1) Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.2) Of, relating to, or resembling an ass.
- Syncophant: 1) A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
Thanks jemelby.
I'm glad you posted this, because I tried to reply to it myself but just got a headache because I feel like I'm talking about Bush - how can anyone keep a straight face saying that stuff, let alone actually believe it.
It's scary, because some people do believe what little gnorts tell them.
AO
LOL, poor TK . . . maybe he should stop posting here like the devs?
Anyway, AO, do forgive him, he's just trying to do his "job". What do you expect from someone who is not being paid? Heck, even those who ARE being paid are not doing as fine a job as he is! Lighten up a little, I have great respect for your knowledge and experience, and hope that you can divert some energy back into brainstorming again. You are one of the last surviving "old pros", please share your wisdom with us! Maybe even dig up old posts which you think are aces and revive them again. It'll be hard work though, so it's your call. =)
Jem too, just by being here, you've shown that you still care for the DE profession. Let's stop the Dev and TK bashing and make the most of what we can. It's just a game after all, no point in getting all flustered up over ill-placed comments and biasness.
However, I do feel that the points you made are quite relevant. Perhaps posting your comments in the dev boards (if you haven't done so already) would be a good idea!
Vimes -- although I agree with a lot of your point, the inability to communicate in a clear and timely manner has really damaged customer confidence in the professionalism of this dev team.
There was no clearer example than the Player City fiasco where they only announced the concept & implementation of a City Cap the day before cities went live ... and barely 12 hours before the Publish. This had a huge impact on dozens of groups of players who had been organizing to form their city since pre-Beta. They got the worst of both worlds: enraged customer reaction and really disrupting the plans of many customers that they had strongly encouraged through marketing & dev statements for months.
I can't agree that saying little or nothing is better than saying a lot and sometimes taking heat for it ... not in this particular product, where customer input & satisfaction is so key to the project's long-term success (or failure). Really a D- grade for SOE in this area.