Droid Engineer Archive

Thread: (W) Focus Thread: Drawing the new line here

Alacrity
Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:55 am
#27

[tries to make a poll, but only succeeds in putting her eye out]





Amoon Darkflier, Elder Artisan, Elder Droid Engineer, Elder Merchant

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TheRealTK421
Wed Feb 04, 2004 10:55 am
#28






Alacrity wrote:


[tries to make a poll, but only succeeds in putting her eye out]






See?It's not as easy as one might think.

Note: pun intended.



/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


Malitevv
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:36 am
#29

But that is a question that answers itself. Everyone wants that. We already have it to a large degree. That is what the correspondents job is for one thing.


The problem is determining whether or not there really is an ear somewhere with any power that is listening to such a voice.




My personal opinion at this point is that they aren't really listening and never were.The Dev's choose their direction based upon bug submissions and support phone calls. Isuspect now thatthe boards arejusta tertiary source of information for them.


Ifyou want to be heard, I suggest that everytime you get annoyed with some feature of DE that doesn't work, log in and submit a bug report. This is what I have started to do.



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TheRealTK421
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:41 am
#30






TheWoody wrote:

Alright, here's all I'm saying.


Is the general DE population interested in uniting as one voice to demand that they provide content and fulfill the droid invasion, or merely do some bug fixes and whitewash everything else?




Wood,

Are you really calling for a "Cake or Death?" poll here?


That's pretty much what is sounds like. If so, you know (I hope you do) that there's no such thing as 'unification' for any profession in the game....no matter how few people play it.

There have always been too many viewpoints, opinions, ideas and 'visions' on the DE boards for us to get a unified voice an ANY issue, save two.

1) We really liked Sintrosi as our Correspondent.

2)We didn't want a Droid Handler profession just so we could get our "Droid Invasion".



Any other topic is very likely always going to have it's different schools-of-thought.





I understand why you're calling for a single voice on our opinions and views. That would basically entail that we create a droid plan that addresses EVERYONE'S concerns and wishes.


Come on, fish. You know that's not possible (but I applaud the gumption behind it...it just needs to be done differently).



/bow

Respectfully,






TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


TheWoody
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:43 am
#31

Heh, seen through the simple attempts at a startup. Yes, I chose the poll for the reason taht it would be (supposedly) an easy first step in unification. But sadly may have made it a little too vague (being the original goal, but too much is a bad thing)


If no one is listening then make them listen. Sitting down and accepting the situation because you feel it is hopeless or that no one is listening is what has made DE the relegated profession that it currently is. At this point ifthe DE communitydoesn't demand clearly, loudly, and constantly for new content it will never happen.


Or I could be off the mark. Perhaps this is the dream of the DE community and mydelusions have led me astray. But if it isn't, at this point, what have you got to lose? How much would it hurt to start saying "We demand you come through with the droid invasion!" "We want what was promised to us, and what we have continued paying for because of it!" Obviously the message will change and focus itself down the road, but now, are you interested in doing that? Yes or no is the only answer I seek.





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TheWoody
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:47 am
#32

Name a different way of doing this and I'm all ears You know my reasoning (or my madness) behind it all... but regardless of my motives, when you have nothing to lose why not see what you can gain? The visions are immaterial as the main goal, the DH profession that 90%+ didn't want, has already been taken care of. Now it falls back into the developer hands to come up with the best way to proceed.





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Malitevv
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:55 am
#33

We have a correspondent. And he is competent. His voice will be listened to by the dev's more than any other voice here no matter what you do, because it's his job to our immediate link in the connection between us and them.


My suggestion is use him.



And submit bug reports in game everytime you get annoyed with the state of the profession.



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Nyght
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:57 am
#34






TheWoody wrote:

Heh, seen through the simple attempts at a startup. Yes, I chose the poll for the reason taht it would be (supposedly) an easy first step in unification. But sadly may have made it a little too vague (being the original goal, but too much is a bad thing)


If no one is listening then make them listen. Sitting down and accepting the situation because you feel it is hopeless or that no one is listening is what has made DE the relegated profession that it currently is. At this point ifthe DE communitydoesn't demand clearly, loudly, and constantly for new content it will never happen.


Or I could be off the mark. Perhaps this is the dream of the DE community and mydelusions have led me astray. But if it isn't, at this point, what have you got to lose? How much would it hurt to start saying "We demand you come through with the droid invasion!" "We want what was promised to us, and what we have continued paying for because of it!" Obviously the message will change and focus itself down the road, but now, are you interested in doing that? Yes or no is the only answer I seek.








Yep, delusions.


What do you have to lose? Well nothing since you have already quit.


Seriously, all game development is made in the context of the overall game.


Crafting is what? 25 percent maybe? DE's are what part of crafting? 10%?


We are not in a position to demand anything.


The only way major improvements will ever happen is if the combat populace at large asks for them... repeatedly. Or if the developers see it as a chance to sell or sustain more subscriptions.


How many of the combat professions are gonning to ask for droids AHEAD of fixing balance or issues with their professions?


How many more accounts would stay or come to the game if combat droids are added?


If you can make either of the one of above arguments effectively to the developers, then you may get what you want.


So make your case, if you've got one. Money talks and BS walks.. fact of life.


'Demanding' will only close the ears and eyes of those that we need to listen.




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TheRealTK421
Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:58 am
#35






Malitevv wrote:


My suggestion is use Drashk.






Wood,

You asked for a better way...there it is.



/bow

Respectfully,




TheRealTK421 a.k.a. "Doughbacca"
SWG DE Correspondent
Co-Founding member of Ahazi DENet & SWG DEA (Droid Engineer Association)
"I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. ...I'm certainly not. And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am."


TheWoody
Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:04 pm
#36

how many people have started leaving because of this (myself included)? How many have already walked? How many more can they afford to lose? There's the point. At this time it is damage control, not profit-gain.


As far as the correspondent deal, a quick link here (sorry gnomeAD)


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=52500&page=1


I believe that Drashk indeed is doing a marvelous job, has been burned far more than he deserves (including by me at times) and has the closest voice to the Devs. But the correspondent system has already been proven to be ineffective and the voice alone is not loud enough.


But fine.. you're right, I quit. I have one month left in the game. DE has been the only thing I've cared about here and I have done, all I try to do is to see this profession reach top marks. But if you're happy with the situation then I'll leave it be. Enjoy DE, I hope you get more out of it than I did.





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Malitevv
Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:15 pm
#37

didn't say I was happy now did I?


if the correspondent system isn't working its because nobody important is listening to the correspondent well enough. and if that's the case no other voice originating from these boards is going to be heard any louder.


If you want aanother route, the best thing to do would probably be a letter writing campaign. Construct a form letter that everyone can agree with and then have everyone print it and mail it to some appropriate address at SOE.


the letter would have to be very vague on the detailsif anyone is going to agree though.


if you have an in-game customer base, try to get them to send a copy of the letter too. :-)



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TheWoody
Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:18 pm
#38

That is indeed a good suggestion, the likes of which I was hoping to organize up. If you think I was endevouring on a giant week-long flame war on the boards, then I apologise for giving that impression. I try to hold a little more dignity when I perform propoganda work.


But it doesn't particularly matter if the community here isn't interested. *shrug* I'm sorry.





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Malitevv
Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:22 pm
#39

i'll send a letter if one is written and I agree with it. and, did you not notice all the "yes"'s on the previous page? It's not correct to say the community isn't interested.



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