Doctor Archive
Thread: greedy docs....
allgoodnamestaken
Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:01 pm
#66
I was buffing the other day, a guy came up and said "Buff me". I chose to pay no attention to this person and continue to buff the paying customers (was charging 10k). However this arrogant little man kept pestering me, so I replied Buffs are a privledge not a right. To which he replied "Sorry...Buff me please?"
So I countered with "feeling like giving me 10k?" He said no, and that was the answer I gave him.
I will not give free buffs to beggars dressed in full comp armour.
My prices are what I chose nothing more, nothing less. My prices are non-negotiable. If there is a discussion on the matter I will refer them to the long line of people waiting in line at a Doctor charging less.I also point out that if they don't want to wait in line with the other doc they can buy a round-trip ticket and get buffed in Coronet. Of course there is possibilies of lines there as well.
....or they can pay me my asking price. Whether they do or don't pay doesn't bother me none. My prices incorporate the purchase costs of the buffs, foods, drinks, batteries. I factor in a marginal profit and then tack on what I believe my time is worth, weighing sitting and buffing for their convience against playing the game and having fun with my friends. Believe it or not, buffing for other people is not fun to me. Nor does it fall into the category of what a Docotr "should" do. I heal everyone for free. I cure, heal, revive for no charge. It is what a doctor should do, buffs are a privledge in my eyes. For every privledge comes a price, if you don't like it to bad - won't ruin my day at all.
When it goes against others "beliefs" of what I should do, they call it greed. They complain about it, I call it /addignore 
ReallyAgoat2
Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:28 pm
#67
unless ure a in noob clothing , holding a cdef , with your wounds the length of tatooine to yavin and no badges nobody gets a free buff from me 
allgoodnamestaken
Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:34 pm
#68
agreed, I do examine the ones that make curious inquiries. Heck unguilded, no badges and wearing Mabari armour relatively new players will generally walk away with a free buff. Provided that they demostrate a decent attitude.
Sparkydogg
Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:21 pm
#69
just a few minutes ago i was at the MO on dant. there were 2 docs there and each already had a line of 10+ people waiting. they were also each charging 20k. i usually solo and makea good 1.5mil during a self-applicated 3 hour 2500+ buff so i rarely do the public anymore. today i decided to yell out that i would buff 3 hours for 2500+ in less than 15 seconds for 50k. let me tell ya.....i made about 300k in 5 minutes or so, had a belly full of biv and havla and everyone was happy. is this so wrong?
then with the other 2 hours and 55 minutes i made another mil soloing
you do the math
Killua1
Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:02 pm
#70
I have been a Master Doc for just over a week now and have since spent quite a bit of time buffing and I usually charge about 15K or 16K for a 2500, 3 1/2 hr buff which I consider more than a fair price, I'm also a Master Rifleman so know how much I can make off one buff, when I was hunting before I started doc I used to think after my first mission was done "Well that the buff, traveling expenses, Brandy and food paid for" the other 3hrs 20 was pure profit
the other 3hrs 20 was pure profitIMO 20K would be more like a fair price, its not easy buffing for long periods as already said its very boring and having to put up with some of the halfwits in the game
constantly pestering to know how many in front of them, wanting there money back because the queue is to long or doing a normal tip instead of a bank tip,,,etc
constantly pestering to know how many in front of them, wanting there money back because the queue is to long or doing a normal tip instead of a bank tip,,,etcAs for 50K for a buff I got 80K for 2 the other day, I had spent about an hour buffing in Coronet I was just finishing off the queue and changed my Shout to "Sorry finishing when current queue is done" Some guy ran up and said he was really needed to be buffed quickly, so I said I would speed buff him for 25K which he was really happy with and tipped me 30K, when I had done his m8 said "if you do the same for me I will pay 50K for it " which I did
So to the guy who started this thread should I have said no and charged my standard rate???
Pasa
Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:07 pm
#71
Not a flame but...
Higher prices such as 50k a set is not being greedy currently, at least on our server it wouldn't be. Paying50-200 cpu for "DECENT" materials for buff materials (organic wise of course) is not OUR fault. Personally I estimate per set of buffs I do for 10k a piece X roughly 19-20 = about 200k. Now when set alone is worth about 45k + (normally much higher depending on resources)X 6 for a "competive" 2.4k+ increases 3hr-3.5hr buffs, you are technically loosing money if you buy your resources. If you gather your own, yes 10k is a profitable amount to sell your buffs at, but if you are like most (I'm half and half in all truth) 10k is ripping yourself off. 25k+ (though 50k would be a bit extreme for my galaxy at least, but I don't know the other galaxy's ecconomy situations to say it's overpriced there) is actually quite a reasonable amount to if charge overall for several reasons.
1) Most, but not all normally just use the buffs for sheer "money" missions and make easily an 810k+ profit off the "over priced" 25k buffs
2) The popluation is too depandent on buffs, in all reality they need to be weaned off them. To any arguments to this;COME ON PEOPLE, SOMEONE WHO JUST STARTED THE GAME 3 DAYS AGO SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY KILL ANYTHING STRONGER THAN A KREETLE.
3) We are the most underpaid crafting proffession for the *edit* we have to deal with as well as how badly one crappy resource can affect our meds and buffs. Composite Helmets don't cost 47k + in resources, the crafter is making at least a 10-25k profit on each one he or she sells. Some might respond to this as "They last longer than your buffs", but you know what...you can't effectively use them without OUR buffs.
4) Because this is a FREE MARKET ECONOMY. As I said before, people should be able to charge what they think is fair for their buffs and should NOT get flamed or insulted for "overcharging" or "undercahrging"
5) We too would like to buy our characters "UB3R" Kryat weapons and other such high priced items for our characters. With a bare minimum of a 3k profit (if you collect your own resources), do you think we can do that?
Sorry if this sounded like a flame, it truly is not. Just stating my oppinon on the subject. Everyone will always have different views on this topic until buffs are nerfed down to nothing then it will be down to, "10k for a 500 increase in my stats? *edit* no." and then of buffing will come about to an end.
Just my 2 credits...flame on.
Maddoggin
Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:32 pm
#72
If I wasn't a Doctor, I would happily pay 50k for buffs. I'd be making it back in 1.66 Janta missions anyway. If I was PvPing, I wouldn't even have to buy them, because 9 times out of 10, there is someone within my faction, that is also PvPing, that will buff for very little, or even nothing.
The only reason I went Doctor, wasn't to make money, it was to help my guildies, and myself, so I wouldn't have to spend an hour or more, looking for a Doctor willing to buff. If a Doc wants to charge 50k for buffs, then more power to him, there are obviously people willing to pay that, otherwise he wouldn't be charging it.
If you were on Corbantis, I'd buff you for 4k, but you are NOT allowed to do ANY missions whatsoever with my buffs. I mean, asking for my 2550 buffs, and expecting to do 500+k worth of missions with them, is a little greedy, don't you think?
Biggdogg23
Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:47 pm
#73
Charging based upon what someone MIGHT do with them isnt right imo. As a Weaponsmith, if I would be to adopt that (imo) silly outlook on things, weapons would be multi millions each, since they MUST be running janta missions 24-7, so they can easially get it back. Someone comes in for a T21 or Powerhammer? That will be 20 million please, since they are obviously a loot farmer and do nothing but loot Krayts and Nightsisters. Armorsmith? Well that new set of composite will cost about 10 mill + as well, since they must be wearing it to run janta missions nonstop as well.
I have no problem with people charging what they think their time is worth. Its their in game time, their playstyle, knock yourself out. But, regardless of what some around here think, doc is nowhere near the most difficult crafting proff regards to resources needed, and finding whats needed for good stuff. Weaponsmith and Armorsmith take the taco in that department, in a runaway victory. Not to say its easy finding whats needed to make quality stuff.
As for prices of harvested goods. I can only speak on 2 servers of experience on this, Eclipse, and to a lesser extent, Starsider. Now, eclipse ive played on since the game has almost started, and that server above all has crafters of all professions with more money than sense. They are the lone reason the prices are where they at. These silly people throw their money around in large amounts driving the prices way up. It happened ages ago, and its the reason, there at least that prices are the way things are now. By no means it was the hunters refusing to get stuff, because it wasnt the case. Starsider ive played on, but not nearly as long as Eclipse, and the same thing is happening there. Once again, people with more money than sense are throwing around ignorant amounts of money, for herb meat that is easially gotten in large quantities. Even the other doctors have spoken up in some threads. So while in some cases yea, greedy hunters might be a factor, but by no means are they the only, or even main factor in the prices things are. (as I said, I only speak for experiences on eclipse and starsider.)
Message Edited by Biggdogg23 on 08-07-2004 06:49 PM
Fleura_MD
Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:40 pm
#74
HavocX1 wrote:
have you factored in the price of food and resources (if you craft your own) or packs (if you buy them)? it may look like you've made alot in an hour untill you subtract all the expenses. i make way more money running janta missons than i do buffing.
Ok I make my own all the ingredients and I harvest or my guildies harvest for me the resources I need. I can make money selling buffs at 8k a set. Being part of a community really helps there.
My real question is: What does having all this money mean? Nothing.
Can you honestly tell me that having 13 million credits makes the game so much more fun for you? If you answered yes, I feel sorry for you 'cause that is SAD!!!
Here's another 2 cents-
Fleura
AmasuYek
Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:18 am
#76
valcyn is one of the worst servers to make profit as a doc, mainly cuz the docs are too dumb to realise they arent making good profit, i see docs buffing 2300-2400 for 3 hours for 8k or 9k sometimes 10k and then if i dont lower my prices i wont make money, then they lower their prices more, and so do i, until we are buffing for free or not making profit at all, i think docs in valcyn should wake up and realise that the customers can pay for a whole day of buffs from just i janta mission or two, so its kinda gay having to spend about 3 hours to make 600-700k profit while someone running janta missions can make 2-3 mil in the same time.
Iarian
Mon Aug 09, 2004 5:04 am
#77
Ocain wrote:
used to be a doc myself "before it was cool"
u guys are gettin out of hand with the 50k bufs though
dont get greedy please, you already make enough as is, no need to rob people
make hundreds of thousands in an hour as it was with 10k buffs
with 50k buffs.....it aint right
thats insane
thx and please dont flame, merely expressing an opinion not trolling
While I will admit 50k is over the top - Please do not say that we make enough as it is....
Resourses - harvesters - factories - tons of houses to store all the crap - droids - clothes - outrages costs on Skill tapes - food - NOT getting paid to heal people - but still have to make the meds for it - and to top if off we now have added med and added buffs which means more resourses and more needed storage space - and so on and so on... So again Please do not say that we make enough.... Get Real
Nexxus82
Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:27 pm
#78
You know these posts get really really annoying. Did I say they are annoying? Anyways let me inform the non docs out there of somthing. SWG is a free market economy. For those of you still in middle school or who have yet to learn what that means I shall define it for you. A free market economy is when a maker sets prices for services or goods that the consumers will pay.
Now I dont know about you guys but what I get from that is as long as people are paying what I ask my price is not too high. It is my choice to charge as much or as little as I choose and if no one wants to buy them then I have to adjust my prices to continue to sell buffs. So... when I show up in cnet and there are no buffers around but me my prices go up dramatically because it is supply and demand. When more buffers show up the prices go down in order to keep money flowing into the coffers. Am I greedy? Damn right I am! Do I care that people dont like that? No I could careless. They can go else where if they dont wanna pay it. Or they can log off for the night if they can't find anyone else.