Doctor Archive

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Eyedun wrote:

why cant i buff them every 3 hours?.. its all med XP right?.. and thats what this whole issue is about.. getting med XP.. if one player can use the tumbler to get med XP why cant i ?

giving away buffs for free to get XP is not the issue.. its that i happen to "break" an exploit in action that has people all upset. I'll make a deal though, dont tumble in a med center.. and i wont try to gain XP off you by buffing you for free ..

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Eyedun wrote:

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pervel wrote:

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Eyedun wrote:
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..

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I hope they will report you then. Apparently it is a bannable thing to do. You are buffing them to prevent them from playing the game the way they think it should be played. That is obvious griefing. And we have the evidence above that at least one CSR will take action. It is not your job to determine how people should play the game.

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no i'm not..i am giving out free buffs for XP.. whats bannable about that?.. its the mechanics of the game that are broken.. dont penalise me because SOE cant fix such an OBVIOUS exploit in game mechanics.. and thats what an exploit is folks..its using the game mechanics to accomplish something not in the way in which it was intended.

ask yourself.. who is exploiting.. a Dr buffing people for free to get XP for FS.. or someone who put their AFK tumbler in the med center.. if people can sit around healing the silly little tumbler.. why cant i buff them every 3 hours?.. its all med XP right?.. and thats what this whole issue is about.. getting med XP.. if one player can use the tumbler to get med XP why cant i ?

giving away buffs for free to get XP is not the issue.. its that i happen to "break" an exploit in action that has people all upset. I'll make a deal though, dont tumble in a med center.. and i wont try to gain XP off you by buffing you for free ..

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You know yourself what your intentions are: To disrupt other people from playing the game the way they feel is right. This is griefing and we have already seen a CSR state that clearly. We also saw that CSR clearly stating thattumbling is not an exploit. You can dislike what they are doing but that does not make it an exploit. And even if it was an exploit, it is not your job to stop it. You should simply report them and do nothing else.

The reason I am rather agitated about this is because of the new FS grind that requires doctors to get millions of medical XP. The only feasible way to do this is healing "pet-tumblers" in the Village. This may annoy people like you and I can assure you that I will report anyone that disrupts my game-play by buffing me or the person I heal in the Village.

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pervel wrote:

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Eyedun wrote:

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pervel wrote:

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Eyedun wrote:
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..

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I hope they will report you then. Apparently it is a bannable thing to do. You are buffing them to prevent them from playing the game the way they think it should be played. That is obvious griefing. And we have the evidence above that at least one CSR will take action. It is not your job to determine how people should play the game.

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no i'm not..i am giving out free buffs for XP.. whats bannable about that?.. its the mechanics of the game that are broken.. dont penalise me because SOE cant fix such an OBVIOUS exploit in game mechanics.. and thats what an exploit is folks..its using the game mechanics to accomplish something not in the way in which it was intended.

ask yourself.. who is exploiting.. a Dr buffing people for free to get XP for FS.. or someone who put their AFK tumbler in the med center.. if people can sit around healing the silly little tumbler.. why cant i buff them every 3 hours?.. its all med XP right?.. and thats what this whole issue is about.. getting med XP.. if one player can use the tumbler to get med XP why cant i ?

giving away buffs for free to get XP is not the issue.. its that i happen to "break" an exploit in action that has people all upset. I'll make a deal though, dont tumble in a med center.. and i wont try to gain XP off you by buffing you for free ..

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You know yourself what your intentions are: To disrupt other people from playing the game the way they feel is right. This is griefing and we have already seen a CSR state that clearly. We also saw that CSR clearly stating that tumbling is not an exploit. You can dislike what they are doing but that does not make it an exploit. And even if it was an exploit, it is not your job to stop it. You should simply report them and do nothing else.

The reason I am rather agitated about this is because of the new FS grind that requires doctors to get millions of medical XP. The only feasible way to do this is healing "pet-tumblers" in the Village. This may annoy people like you and I can assure you that I will report anyone that disrupts my game-play by buffing me or the person I heal in the Village.

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and you totally miss the point.. you people are so caught up in your "grinding" .. you whine and complain about how hard it is to get XP.. how much grinding you have to do to get XP.. jesus get off your lazy asses and go out and PLAY the game as a Dr and you'll have more than enough XP.. people whine about no content and yet sit healing tumblers. getting all gooey inside because their XP meter is increasing.. while the fun meter has just stopped turning altogether because people refuse to play the game.. hell if healing a tumbler is as SOe intended it.. why bother?.. just put blue frogs at every starport and let everyone just master anything instantly.. the real issue has nothing to do with buffing tumblers (which i will continue to do every chance i get) .. the real issue is the lack of imagination and the general lazyness and the "i want it now.. and want it to be easy" mentality if the player base.. the whole "FS" stuff isnt flawed, the players perceptions are.. if you stop worrying about how much XP you have and make content, play the game.. role play a little (you know the RPG in MMORPG stands for Role Playing Game right?) .. you'd find the game a crap load more enjoyable.. but to most people there are only 2 things.. Master DR and not master DR and the object is to get from point A to point B. Tumblers are bad because they destroy the play experience, not only for you, but for anyone who happens to actually NEED some attention from a DR.

we will wait and see with the combat ballance.. i am quite certain that tumbling will be gone then (it serves no use right now except as an exploit to earn XP) .. i will continue to class it as an exploit.. regardless of what the CSRs decree.. they are human and just as prone to being cmpletely off base as I am.. you are or SOE is...

Eyedun.

So your idea of "playing the game" is to be the tumbler cop?

I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish.....SOE would post a list of banned players.

I would soooooo look forward to see "Eyedun - banned for greifing"

Only a real TOOL who had to take his sister to the prom would be so hate fulled as to spend as much keyboard time defending a sadistic tactic like this.

Grow up you weasle.

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Catjusha wrote:

Eyedun, it's you who are missing the point. The logs shown above are showing clearly that:

- tumbling isn't exploiting

Also, I'm not sure when you made your MD, but with the introduction of high level buffs a lot has changed in the "going out with a group and get tons of xp" department.

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I'm not seeing the difference between healing tumblers and doing say what used to be done with harvesters. The only main difference is this hasnt been "officially" classed as an exploit. regardless of what its actually called.. are you telling me you think healing tumblers is a fair and good thing ? You agree that buffing them is bad, but I'm getting the impression you agree with others in that healing tumblers is a good thing .. that this is what medics/Drs do now ??

I've been a MD for a while.. probably since the end of last year .. i got a majority of my XP from healing in the bestine med center, fort tusken and then eventually healing on dantooine and various other places. I also recently got my alt to master medic in less than a week just healing players damage and wounds and doing first aid. Its not fricken rocket science .. but by most actually PLAYING the game seems to be too hard?

I mean honestly..is that what your all telling me?.. that playing the game is too hard and the ONLY way you can do anythng is to sit in themed center with an AFK macro healing an AFK tumbler? .. you find this fun ?.. interesting ?.. i mean explain it to me.. your all leaping to defend this method.. so explain it to me.. tell me what is so gratifying and fun about healing a tumbler over and over ? Does it create content ?

All i get so far is a bunch of bullsh1t about "griefing" ... you consider it griefing.. i dont.. lets leave it at that.. stop avoiding the main issue and tell me WHY you think tumbling is NOT a bad thing ?.. and leave out the whine and sob story about how buffs have ruined the game.. how no one groups.. whah whah whah.. your probably oneof the first people to complain when we talk about raising buff prices for the good of the profession.

Honestly Drs.. everything is connected.. uber buffs leads to less need for healing which leads to lack of imagination and content for Drs which leads to tumblers. I'm a little shocked at how many of you people readily accept that Drs are just buff bots and tumble healers. and more shcoking is that you actually ENCOURAGE and DEFEND it. Totally shocking.

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captenjonny wrote:
Eyedun.

So your idea of "playing the game" is to be the tumbler cop?

I wish I wish I wish I wish I wish.....SOE would post a list of banned players.

I would soooooo look forward to see "Eyedun - banned for greifing"

Only a real TOOL who had to take his sister to the prom would be so hate fulled as to spend as much keyboard time defending a sadistic tactic like this.

Grow up you weasle.

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holy crap you people love to ignore the real issue ?

WHO CARES IF BUFFING TUMBLERS IS GRIEFING.. thats not what we are dicsussing here.

I cant beleive the number of you nimrods who DEFEND tumblers and ENCOURAGE the use of them.. i'm no tumbler cop..i can count the # of times i've buffed a tumbler on one hand.. hell i've seen it done by others many more times than I've done it. Do i think its griefing?.. nope.. but thats not the issue here either. It seems what we have here is a bunch of people who cant talk about the subject at hand, tumbling and why its bad (or in i guess your opinion good) for the medic profession. Get your heads out of your a$$es and stick to the subject at hand. You remind me of a bunch of democrats, ignoring the real issue and and focusing on whats not really important. I could run around buffing bunny rabbits .. or buffing the action of alot of entertainers for all it pertains to this thread (and i do).

I remember grinding through doc in the Cornet Medcenter. I always stopped to heal wounds of players that came in for some blackbar healing. Since it is on a different timer from whitebar healing, it is most efficient to do both at the same time.

I didn't heal rude players that came in and demanded healing instantly or were spamming constantly.

Some people don't realize that the medic, or doc, might have to craft a wound pack and they are too impatient. They just started yelling and insulting everyone when they didn't get healed right away.

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ChunTheUnavoidable wrote:
That's utter nonsense. While tumbling might be the only path to grind medic, it's not the only path to earn medic. I earned it back in the first month. Medic is extremely easy to earn by playing the game. Get a group, especially a group of new players, and go out unbuffed on missions. You will get money and lots of experience healing people.

It's the grinding that's killing everything, and the mentality that it fosters.

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I did it the same way as well as with doc -- but times have changed. Only groups I see are the Solo groups and with buffs and a good set of armor there isn't much need for a medic. I retired myCM cause there was 'Zero'demand for his service --no one needed healing and it was too much a pain to find a group. Only reason I even both with Doc is to provide buffs otherwise I would drop him as well. As for the rant of not having people sitting in the med center doing nothing but tending someone's needs - To bad! Whenever I need a service I go out and pay for it! Why should medic's be expected to sit in a med center for free?

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Mmaxx wrote:

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Eyedun wrote:
Tumblers are bad because they destroy the play experience, not only for you, but for anyone who happens to actually NEED some attention from a DR.

we will wait and see with the combat ballance.. i am quite certain that tumbling will be gone then (it serves no use right now except as an exploit to earn XP) .. i will continue to class it as an exploit.. regardless of what the CSRs decree.. they are human and just as prone to being cmpletely off base as I am.. you are or SOE is...

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Be honest, you know what you are doing is greifing. You know it is. You know what you are doing is ruining the gameplay of someone else. These people are not hurting you or anybody else but you are hurting them and those that use them.

Your solution is probably some assinine thing like to not use tumblers and go join a group of unbuffed players and heal them for XP. You can find those everywhere...... 8 months ago.

What makes you think that getting medic XP is somehow better that way then this way? Who are you to decide how anybody else plays the game? If someone want to heal unbuffed players. let them. If someone wants to camp the clone centers let them. If someone want to heal a tumbler then let them. You do no thave the right to decide how people get their XP.

You have been told that what you do is wrong by players, CSRs and read it from Devs. You have been told that what you are doing is ruining someones game play. You have been told that you are not to police what you believe to be exploits. Yet you continue to use some lame excuse as to why you greif players.

It appears your goal is to be banned. I chear you on in a quick end to your goal. Please hurry up and buff more so you get banned sooner. The game will be better for everyone with one less immature little child griefing other players.

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yet another person who totally misses the point of what we are dicussing... buffing random players for XP.. be they tumblers or not is no more "griefing" than healing random peoples wounds.. or healing some tumble monkey... but were not dicussing buffing tumblers.. were discussing healing tumble monkeys for XP.. Its a question of using game mechanics in a manner that gains you an unfair advantage.. thats the definition of an exploit.. why do you think they fixed the "exploit" of using harvesters to trap creatures so you could kill them from a safe distance easily and get XP quickly and safely. its the EXACT same deal with tumblers, your "exploiting" the game mechanics to do something that you shouldnt be able to do.

The issue of buffing tumblers being griefing or not has nothing to do with it, thats a totally different dicsussion.

heres 2 questions for you.

#1) What is tumbling for ?

#2) out of the 3 ways you mentioned to get XP (healing unbuffed players/hunting party, camping the clone center and healing tumblers), which one of them is NOT like the others ? ..