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Thread: Tumbler Rant why are medcenters not med centers but tumbler centers?
Bloodburn
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:21 pm
#40
vortexala wrote:
RedAnubis wrote:
ZippoCleric wrote:My solution t o tumblers in med center isto buff quicknessstops the grinding right quick
This could be deemed harassment, interfering with another players choice on how to play the game.Actually it's not. Since those players could just as easily have set up shop inside a player structure with restricted access.Tumbling in a public venue, especially a place of medicine, opens you up to having someone use medicine on you. Be it woundpack, stimpack or buff.Don't want the hassle? Don't tumble in public. Or at least take it to the second floor...
Actually YES< it is harrasment. Believe me
I used to buff tumblers all day long. I got a warning from a CSR about it. That was last may. I made it up to last month and started doing it again, and you guessed it, got in trouble from another CSR and got a 2nd warning about it, one more time and they will suspend my account for harrasment.
I took a SS of it if you want it posted. Basically the CSR's deem buffing a tumbler as harrasment because I am interfearing with that persons play style...LOL whatever, how could they have a play style if they are not even playing...
But yea, if anyone reports you for buffing a tumbler, expect a warning or a suspension.
vortexala
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:29 pm
#41
Bloodburn wrote:
vortexala wrote:
RedAnubis wrote:
ZippoCleric wrote:
My solution t o tumblers in med center isto buff quickness
This could be deemed harassment, interfering with another players choice on how to play the game.
Actually it's not. Since those players could just as easily have set up shop inside a player structure with restricted access.
Tumbling in a public venue, especially a place of medicine, opens you up to having someone use medicine on you. Be it woundpack, stimpack or buff.
Don't want the hassle? Don't tumble in public. Or at least take it to the second floor...
Actually YES< it is harrasment. Believe me
I used to buff tumblers all day long. I got a warning from a CSR about it. That was last may. I made it up to last month and started doing it again, and you guessed it, got in trouble from another CSR and got a 2nd warning about it, one more time and they will suspend my account for harrasment.
I took a SS of it if you want it posted. Basically the CSR's deem buffing a tumbler as harrasment because I am interfearing with that persons play style...LOL whatever, how could they have a play style if they are not even playing...
But yea, if anyone reports you for buffing a tumbler, expect a warning or a suspension.
Then what we have here is another case of CSRs not communicating or using the same information.
I have, and know of, people that buff tumblers that haven't heard a peep from a CSR about it. One personwhowas reportedwas thentold, by the CSR, that buffing tumblers wasfair game.
*shrug*
Bloodburn
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:58 pm
#42
vortexala wrote:
Bloodburn wrote:
vortexala wrote:
RedAnubis wrote:
ZippoCleric wrote:My solution t o tumblers in med center isto buff quickness
This could be deemed harassment, interfering with another players choice on how to play the game.Actually it's not. Since those players could just as easily have set up shop inside a player structure with restricted access.Tumbling in a public venue, especially a place of medicine, opens you up to having someone use medicine on you. Be it woundpack, stimpack or buff.Don't want the hassle? Don't tumble in public. Or at least take it to the second floor...
Actually YES< it is harrasment. Believe me
I used to buff tumblers all day long. I got a warning from a CSR about it. That was last may. I made it up to last month and started doing it again, and you guessed it, got in trouble from another CSR and got a 2nd warning about it, one more time and they will suspend my account for harrasment.
I took a SS of it if you want it posted. Basically the CSR's deem buffing a tumbler as harrasment because I am interfearing with that persons play style...LOL whatever, how could they have a play style if they are not even playing...
But yea, if anyone reports you for buffing a tumbler, expect a warning or a suspension.Then what we have here is another case of CSRs not communicating or using the same information.I have, and know of, people that buff tumblers that haven't heard a peep from a CSR about it. One person who was reported was then told, by the CSR, that buffing tumblers was fair game.*shrug*
Well...
Here are the screenshots. Whoever this CSR is, they obviously think that tumbling is a normal and intended part of the game! heh. The sad thing is, he has the power to suspend and warn people who disagree with his beliefs.
Bisola
Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:11 am
#43
Even in the old days (without tumblers, buffs, etc) etting to master Doctor quickly wasn't that hard if you were a driven powergamer. There was a female Bothan who used, every time I logged on, to sit in the same spot in the Theed cantina. I can't remember her name (I think she's left the game at this point) but within the first month I saw her blow right by me, since she became a Master Doctor while I was Master Medic 
When I asked her how she did it so fast she just smiled and went on healing the big circle of cloners that always hung around her.
The biggest reason for wanting Master Doctor back then was /revive, since without buffs there was a lot more dying going on.
Bisola
P.S. Can anyone remember the name of that Doctor? If you were a doctor on Eclipse back in July of 03 and ever visited the Theed med center then you should know of whom I speak.
When I asked her how she did it so fast she just smiled and went on healing the big circle of cloners that always hung around her. The biggest reason for wanting Master Doctor back then was /revive, since without buffs there was a lot more dying going on.
Bisola
P.S. Can anyone remember the name of that Doctor? If you were a doctor on Eclipse back in July of 03 and ever visited the Theed med center then you should know of whom I speak.
Message Edited by Bisola on 09-15-2004 03:12 PM
Eyedun
Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:52 am
#44
i hear alot of people saying "its the only way GRIND xp".. all i have to say is stop thinking of it as GRINDING and just play the game. Stop worrying about how much XP you need and enjoy playing a Dr/Medic. This is what most people miss, sitting in the med center healing a tumbler is not playing the game. Get out, adventure, explore, interact, play the game. when the need for counting your XP takes a back seat you suddenly find the game is fun, and XP comes quickly.
Too many of you people get caught up in grindng all the way to Dr that when you get there, you've accomplished nothing along the way, your a MD and now the game is "boring" because it has no content. Its what you make it and if you make it a race to GRIND as much XP as you can, its not gonna be as much fun.
Heres an example. I had an absoloute blast with a novice medic/Dr on Kettemoor as she and i "roleplayed" the master Dr and med student. i was instructing her and over seeing the med center (helli even registered there) and she was healing people left and right. I taught her about macros (the right ones to use) and Dr crafting. she was having more fun learning and playing the game and the XP was secondary. we had a blast, we created our own content and people were delighted to discover a Dr in the med center, no tumblers and tons of attention when they entered.
I am all for taking tumblers out of the med center, but if people would stop looking for the fastest way to do everything, it wouldnt be so bad. Dont rush to be a master, cos there aint ant more content as a master than their is along the way, and your gonna miss alot of learning, alot of fun (still plenty of places to get into hunting groups, despite what people say.. i got alot of my XP joining a solo group on Dant and running around healing peoples wounds, rezing and stuff like that, was tons of fun).
Its only the only way to grind XP because your either lazy, too stupid to make any content of your own or a pwoer gamer who just cares about "beating" the system. I consider healing tumblers an exploit and i will always buff a tumbler when i see them.
Too many of you people get caught up in grindng all the way to Dr that when you get there, you've accomplished nothing along the way, your a MD and now the game is "boring" because it has no content. Its what you make it and if you make it a race to GRIND as much XP as you can, its not gonna be as much fun.
Heres an example. I had an absoloute blast with a novice medic/Dr on Kettemoor as she and i "roleplayed" the master Dr and med student. i was instructing her and over seeing the med center (helli even registered there) and she was healing people left and right. I taught her about macros (the right ones to use) and Dr crafting. she was having more fun learning and playing the game and the XP was secondary. we had a blast, we created our own content and people were delighted to discover a Dr in the med center, no tumblers and tons of attention when they entered.
I am all for taking tumblers out of the med center, but if people would stop looking for the fastest way to do everything, it wouldnt be so bad. Dont rush to be a master, cos there aint ant more content as a master than their is along the way, and your gonna miss alot of learning, alot of fun (still plenty of places to get into hunting groups, despite what people say.. i got alot of my XP joining a solo group on Dant and running around healing peoples wounds, rezing and stuff like that, was tons of fun).
Its only the only way to grind XP because your either lazy, too stupid to make any content of your own or a pwoer gamer who just cares about "beating" the system. I consider healing tumblers an exploit and i will always buff a tumbler when i see them.
Eyedun
Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:50 am
#45
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..
the tumbling issue is so easily solved its not funny.. jus put a timer on it like many other things have.. you cant "tumble" again for 20 seconds.. or until your existing tumbler wears off, all of a sudden tumblers are useless.
the tumbling issue is so easily solved its not funny.. jus put a timer on it like many other things have.. you cant "tumble" again for 20 seconds.. or until your existing tumbler wears off, all of a sudden tumblers are useless.
Smezza
Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:55 am
#46
Eyedun wrote:
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..
the tumbling issue is so easily solved its not funny.. jus put a timer on it like many other things have.. you cant "tumble" again for 20 seconds.. or until your existing tumbler wears off, all of a sudden tumblers are useless.
And we all turn to people with PET TRICK1
Eyedun
Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:20 am
#47
and then we do the same with pet trick1 so you cant do it over and over. Eventually people run out of ways to exploit the system. Timers on commands are the best way to to remove this exploit.. make it so that you cant wear your ham bar down very quickly. Why dont people go and heal dancers ?.. because their ticks are slow.. thats the answer.. slow the ticks down on anything else the tumblers use to exploit and its all fixed.. the game still works (such as dancers) and the tumble monkeys are out of a job. People can create content and do medical stuff instead of AFK macroing the best profession in the game.
Smezza
Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:33 am
#48
Eyedun wrote:
and then we do the same with pet trick1 so you cant do it over and over. Eventually people run out of ways to exploit the system. Timers on commands are the best way to to remove this exploit.. make it so that you cant wear your ham bar down very quickly. Why dont people go and heal dancers ?.. because their ticks are slow.. thats the answer.. slow the ticks down on anything else the tumblers use to exploit and its all fixed.. the game still works (such as dancers) and the tumble monkeys are out of a job. People can create content and do medical stuff instead of AFK macroing the best profession in the game.
Its not an expliot, granted it not a great way for everyone to get exp but in no way is it an expliot... as for doing that to CH I feel it would take it to far as CH have been nerfed enough... also I use Dancers a lot for exp and if I get to talk to the first, I can normally get them to flourish all the time which reduces their action greatly
BarqsRootbeer
Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:45 am
#49
Eyedun wrote:
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..
the tumbling issue is so easily solved its not funny.. jus put a timer on it like many other things have.. you cant "tumble" again for 20 seconds.. or until your existing tumbler wears off, all of a sudden tumblers are useless.
or make it so tumble can only be used while you are in combat. this is what happens when people don't spent the time it takes to do things right the first time. they want to make money off of star wars not make a good game they don't care what we want fixed they are too busy thinking of things to throw in our way to keep us playing.(jtl)
pervel
Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:32 am
#50
Eyedun wrote:
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..
I hope they will report you then. Apparently it is a bannable thing to do. You are buffing them to prevent them from playing the game the way they think it should be played. That is obvious griefing. And we have the evidence above that at least one CSR will take action. It is not your job to determine how people should play the game.
Mmaxx
Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:38 am
#51
good god people listen to yourselves. "people are playing in a way I don't like so I am going to ruin it for them" If someone isn't playing in a way you like the don't talk to them or sell them anything or help them. Why are you all so insistant that medics get their XP the way you want them too? Do you go freak out on a guy killing butterflies since he can get better XP killing hurtons? Killing butterflies is a waste of time and not the way I did it so it must be wrong.
and bragging about getting multiple warnings from CSRs for being a rude player is baffling. "look people, I'm an A$$ and I can prove it". your mother must be proud.
for the 'fix' of putting a timer on the pet trick......I take it you have never actually used a pet. Just so you know, having your pet do tricks heals it's mind. After a battle, or during sometimes, telling your pet to do a trick 3 times or 4 timeswill heal it's mind completely. Something your stims can't do. Hurting players using a command as intended just so people using as it isn't intended doesn't fix anything.
Do you report people that use a macro to craft in practice mode to get crafting XP? It may not be the way you did it so it must be wrong. You can get all the crafting XP for artisan in a matter of an hour using that methode. It must be an exploit! we need to remove practice mode!
relax and if you see someone doing something you feel is an exploit, report them. taking matters in your own hands doesn't help anything.
buffingtumblers substats is greifing and will eventually result in a ban.
Do you really think that if tumblers and pet trickers get removed from the game that the med centers will be full of willing medics just waiting to heal your wounds? Wake up and realize that people will find another way to get their XP and will use it. waiting around a med center hoping that people eventually come in with wounds in today's game will take someone 4 months to get to apoint where they can ninja buff to get the remaining XP required to master doc.
Let people play how they want to play as long as it doesn't hurt other players. You play with the intention of hurting other players by buffing substats and for that you should be banned.
For people that beleive that just because someone is a medic or a doctor then it is their 'duty' to fix you up then you need to rethink your beleifs. Since you are a scout, is it your duty to give avian and herb meat to docs? Those of you that are fighters, is it your duty to clear the path of all beasties for the entertainers and crafters they might run into? Medics and Docs do not have to heal you ever. If you demand it I will never heal you. If you ask nice I will always help you.
Be a friendly, curtious layer and you will have things go your way. Be a rude little child and you will find a lot of people will not help you.
Eyedun
Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:41 am
#52
pervel wrote:Eyedun wrote:
i buff tumblers also.. if someone can heal them for XP.. i can buff them for XP.. fair is fair..I hope they will report you then. Apparently it is a bannable thing to do. You are buffing them to prevent them from playing the game the way they think it should be played. That is obvious griefing. And we have the evidence above that at least one CSR will take action. It is not your job to determine how people should play the game.
no i'm not..i am giving out free buffs for XP.. whats bannable about that?.. its the mechanics of the game that are broken.. dont penalise me because SOE cant fix such an OBVIOUS exploit in game mechanics.. and thats what an exploit is folks..its using the game mechanics to accomplish something not in the way in which it was intended.
ask yourself.. who is exploiting.. a Dr buffing people for free to get XP for FS.. or someone who put their AFK tumbler in the med center.. if people can sit around healing the silly little tumbler.. why cant i buff them every 3 hours?.. its all med XP right?.. and thats what this whole issue is about.. getting med XP.. if one player can use the tumbler to get med XP why cant i ?
giving away buffs for free to get XP is not the issue.. its that i happen to "break" an exploit in action that has people all upset. I'll make a deal though, dont tumble in a med center.. and i wont try to gain XP off you by buffing you for free ..
