Doctor Archive
Thread: Buff Pack Prices!!
Raistlin27
Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:12 pm
#53
morelyn the problem is inherent in the system.
just because I can use buffs to make more money then I spend on buffs should not cause the price of a buff pack to be 5 times what a doc needs to sell it for to make money.
As homebreu stated...
you drive your car to work everyday, and lets say at work you make 50,000 dollars a year, does that mean a car sales man should be charging 50,000 per car?
your speeder bike gets you to missions and back much faster, and thusly greatly increases your profits... does that mean the cost of a speeder bike should sky rocket? after all, it makes you more money than it costs you. given loss of time due to walknig, a speeder prolly raises the amount of money you make during a few hours of missions by hundreds of thousounds of credits, does that mean the price should jump accordingly? of course not. the difference is master artisans know they can't charge 100k for a speeder cause no one would pay it.
buffs on the otherhand, require some ETHICS when it comes to price control, because "buff bots"make enough money to keep prices through the roof.
What of us fools who grinded doc to 0/4/4/0 just so we could buff ourselfs, only to find that we might as well not have become a doc, and just pay street prices, cause the bit o cash saved from buying the packs doesn't justify the points we spent
I am talking ETHICS people. one reason i will be able to supply them so cheap is because my buddy showed some kindness and gave me 2 factories, 4 heavy extractors, and an absurd amount of nuclear power when he cancelled his account. I could be a greedy **edit** like so many, and just turn his kindness into more creds for myself, but I know I can dish out some decency, and still turn a good profit. so that is what I shall do. (all i have to say is, after this weekend, if my experiment goes well, it will suck to be you, if you are a doc in coronet trying to sell your buff packs for freaking 100k a set)
Sevardos
Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:22 pm
#54
Raistlin27 wrote:
morelyn the problem is inherent in the system.
just because I can use buffs to make more money then I spend on buffs should not cause the price of a buff pack to be 5 times what a doc needs to sell it for to make money.
As homebreu stated...
you drive your car to work everyday, and lets say at work you make 50,000 dollars a year, does that mean a car sales man should be charging 50,000 per car?
your speeder bike gets you to missions and back much faster, and thusly greatly increases your profits... does that mean the cost of a speeder bike should sky rocket? after all, it makes you more money than it costs you. given loss of time due to walknig, a speeder prolly raises the amount of money you make during a few hours of missions by hundreds of thousounds of credits, does that mean the price should jump accordingly? of course not. the difference is master artisans know they can't charge 100k for a speeder cause no one would pay it.
buffs on the otherhand, require some ETHICS when it comes to price control, because "buff bots"make enough money to keep prices through the roof.
What of us fools who grinded doc to 0/4/4/0 just so we could buff ourselfs, only to find that we might as well not have become a doc, and just pay street prices, cause the bit o cash saved from buying the packs doesn't justify the points we spent
I am talking ETHICS people. one reason i will be able to supply them so cheap is because my buddy showed some kindness and gave me 2 factories, 4 heavy extractors, and an absurd amount of nuclear power when he cancelled his account. I could be a greedy **edit** like so many, and just turn his kindness into more creds for myself, but I know I can dish out some decency, and still turn a good profit. so that is what I shall do. (all i have to say is, after this weekend, if my experiment goes well, it will suck to be you, if you are a doc in coronet trying to sell your buff packs for freaking 100k a set)
For the love of pete, it has nothing to do about ETHICS. The law of supply and demand is prevelant in every day life and obviously it will be adopted in a player run game economy like this one. You don't have a clue on what the hell you are talking about and have been back-peddling for the last few posts because more than a few people pointed out your obvious lack of knowledge and dare I say - blatant ignorance.
Who the hell are you to say or dictate what pricing should be. You are not the obudsman for the economy and pricing is driven by the players and customers.
It's quite simple. You don't like the pricing? Don't buy it. You say you can and will sell it cheaper? Then by all means do it. You say you can buy it cheaper? Then go run out and buy it and shut it.
Unless you plan on paying for my subscription to SOE every month, you have absolutely NO say on how I play a game ... or anyone else for that matter.
Raistlin27
Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:29 pm
#55
haha, flame all you want guy, but there is no law of supply and demand in a fake galaxy where supply is without end, and demand changes with whatever the new fad in character template is.
like it or not all the economic LAWS you state may be proven worthless this week, when I start offered buffs sets for 1/3 of what everone else is, and am doing so in enoug bulk that I still make 200k a day for doing nothing. the only difference is, instead of have 2 sales a day for 100k each, I will have 25 sales a day for 6k. so whatever man. make your rules all day long, and since we are playing in a fantasy game and all , i suppose i will keep breaking them. have fun cap'n flamer. sorry if my desire to not screw people makes you look bad when you do.
Sevardos
Fri Sep 10, 2004 6:52 pm
#56
Raistlin27 wrote:
haha, flame all you want guy, but there is no law of supply and demand in a fake galaxy where supply is without end, and demand changes with whatever the new fad in character template is.
like it or not all the economic LAWS you state may be proven worthless this week, when I start offered buffs sets for 1/3 of what everone else is, and am doing so in enoug bulk that I still make 200k a day for doing nothing. the only difference is, instead of have 2 sales a day for 100k each, I will have 25 sales a day for 6k. so whatever man. make your rules all day long, and since we are playing in a fantasy game and all , i suppose i will keep breaking them. have fun cap'n flamer. sorry if my desire to not screw people makes you look bad when you do.
Keep digging that hole there sparky ... there is a supply and demand. What's the price of ackley bones going for? Or Krayt weapons? Or AV-21 power plants? Or quality resources that have been out of spawn for a few months? etc etc etc etc. Why are they 10 to 100 times more expensive then standard weapons, current resources and vehicles? Think first - shoot your mouth off second.
And your ignorance obviously shows no bounds - go right ahead and sell for whatever you want, give it away for free for that matter. Unless you hold a monopoly, the economy won't even register a fool like yourself.
All you're going to bedoing is shooting your mouth off for a few days with your pricing, notice you can't keep it going - and then disappear with your tail between your legs. You act and sound as if you're the first person to do that - please. What colour is the sky in your world?
Knock yourself out with your plan ... please.
Sparkydogg
Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:57 pm
#57
back to the original topic at hand
i believe everyone should charge whatever they want for anything they craft or for any service performed. free market economy FTW
if their prices are right everyone will be happy, if they are not right they may decide to alter their business plan
my .02
Raistlin27
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:02 pm
#58
true wisdom sparkydogg. true wisdom indeed. I will admit, I should not have come down so hard bout the high prices, but I know I am not the only one who thinks buff packs cost far to much.
In fact, I think you can narrow down the groups who think they are not overpriced into 2 smaller groups
1. docs who make a killing with their high prices
2. people who have enough creds to afford anything they want, anywhere, at any time.
when you eliminate these 2 small minorities, you get the massive remainder of swg players who think the price should drop, and thats exactly what I hope will happen with my plan.
Raistlin27
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:09 pm
#59
big btw-
I knew long before i started this post that if I posted it in the doc forum peope would flame, and **edit**, and give every reason in the book to justify their prices. In truth I did it for 2 reasons.
1. To see if even 1 doctor out there, outta all the servers, besides me would step up to the plate, and admit they could lower prices and still turn a nice profit (none have)
2. So that I can compare it to the same post, that I plan on putting in the general forum. I am sure I will get the oppostie response there, than the one I got here... lol (go figure)
Sparkydogg
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:15 pm
#60
i fall into both of those categories
on corbantis i am the infamous "fiddy kay". i do buff publicly and have ever since i have been a doc. i dont craft myself and am forced to pay top dollar for top shelf boofs. i used to buy average buffs and do the buff grind for 8-12k or whatever. i became disgusted with the fact that i had to deal with tons and tons of tells, as well as watch my mail and tips to endure i wasnt being scammed, as well as manage my food/drink bars appropriately, as well as replacing batteries on my droid during buffs and fresh packs in my toolbar at the same time, as well as managing a line of 10 or more...etc etc etc. and all for a pittance of a profit for the time and "work" it took imo
my solution was this. 50k
yes, i will buff the public with 3 hour 2500s for 50k. i can hear the screams now.
my thoughts are this. line management. 50k is high enough of a price that many people turn away to the doc over there for 15k. perfect. i offer to my clients a premium buff at a premium speed. having no line assures my customers they can get in and out in 2 minutes and be on their way. more often than not, i assume they enjoy being able to get right back out onto their 30k solo missions instead of having to wait for 10 or 20 or 30 minutes. i have never at all felt bad about my decision, becaause it works for me. i make as much as an average doc if not more, i use less resources, i have less headache, and the people that DO pay 50k are always very happy with the results.
that being said, i expect to pay a premium for the buffs that i purchase...and i do. paid 5 mil for crates of 10 yesterday......and i dont mind at all
more power to options for the consumer in the marketplace
Raistlin27
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:32 pm
#61
A good way to be for sure when if comes to keeping people off your ass about buffs, but it does not help that noob, for whom 1 good cheap buff could make the difference between taking 3 hours to move ahead, or taking 3 weeks. I know I am an idealist, and things may pop up that cause me to raise my prices, but I will never try to edge a 700% outta people who could really use my help.
Sparkydogg
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:39 pm
#62
/bow
im glad there are people like you, because if there werent my system wouldnt work
Raistlin27
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:46 pm
#63
Then my friend I /bow in return, for the same reason.
Happy gaming.
Roustabout
Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:42 pm
#64
You're making enhance C's? Well no **edit**ing wonder you're only charging 6k. Crafting doctors sell their best wares for top dollar. You're talking about the difference between a pinto and cadillac.
Oh, and btw, if you stock 25/day every other day that's only 375 sets/month. Very doable and hardly enough to knock out MASTER doctors who make the best of the best.
You've been saving resources for 2 months 'eh? Good luck getting the 43500 avian (less with organic for action) and 72000 herbivore every month just hunting by yourself. If you'll seriously turn a game into a full time job just to prove a point then you've got more issues than the price of buffs.
Reza95
Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:56 am
#65
so can anyone supply me say ... 100k of avian meat and 200k of herb meat asap for 50cpu so i can make cheap buffpacks and sell for 6k/set?? i bet i'll get these questions. What's ur stats? what's the duration? what's the med use? what's it hitting for? is that with or without bivoli? can we get more discounts? then they will say, i can get better stats elsewhere for xxx amount in xxx city and it buffs for xxxx stats!! (and the doc who made that pack?? he paid 150-200cpu for the avian.
oh by the way, check this out... http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=lowca_trade&message.id=134623
why is this?? cos we have NO MORE GOOD AVIAN!! that's why!! 6k a set, work out your cost!
it's not about 'LAZY' to get our own meat, it's about not getting enough.
C's? No one uses C's until maybe now cos of the jedi trials where all the damn doctors are ninja buffing in the Village.