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Thread: Buffbots have started up again

TarMangani
Fri May 27, 2005 10:07 am
#53

I was going through my interface controls the other day and I noticed a setting previously overlooked: "Ignore AFK players" or something to that effect.


I thought for a while on whether or not I could think of any situations wherein I'd actually WANT to hear an AFK player, couldn't think of any, so unchecked it. Passing through Theed, Corellia and The MO is SO much nicer now!


Oh, and BTW MyT, looks like you may have hurt Wonderboy's feelings!





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MyT_Chicken
Fri May 27, 2005 7:02 pm
#54




TarMangani wrote:

I was going through my interface controls the other day and I noticed a setting previously overlooked: "Ignore AFK players" or something to that effect.


I thought for a while on whether or not I could think of any situations wherein I'd actually WANT to hear an AFK player, couldn't think of any, so unchecked it. Passing through Theed, Corellia and The MO is SO much nicer now!


Oh, and BTW MyT, looks like you may have hurt Wonderboy's feelings!



Well the Ignore AFK only works if people are actually marked "AFK", which can be disabled, or avoided via Macro.





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I-O-VIE
Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:21 pm
#55




MyT_Chicken wrote:





TarMangani wrote:

I was going through my interface controls the other day and I noticed a setting previously overlooked: "Ignore AFK players" or something to that effect.


I thought for a while on whether or not I could think of any situations wherein I'd actually WANT to hear an AFK player, couldn't think of any, so unchecked it. Passing through Theed, Corellia and The MO is SO much nicer now!


Oh, and BTW MyT, looks like you may have hurt Wonderboy's feelings!



Well the Ignore AFK only works if people are actually marked "AFK", which can be disabled, or avoided via Macro.






yes but it's a start. and will help not to need /addignore as much. but that's not really the point of this thread.


but this thead is rather mute now...lol


i guess any one knows by now i really "hate the CU" as a whole, but: as far as recrusive macros go it's pretty much pointless to use them /cheer (probably the only good thing to come from this new "improved"/sarcasm off game).


doctors have been reduced to combat medics there is no reason to be afk (outside of lazyness) buffs and heals are afterall, worthless.


spawn camping? i dont't think so. gone are auto attack and auto target...lol


entertainer buffs? what difference afk or atk? (tell you a secret. i made over 2.5 mil "working the room" atk as an entertainer/master dancer/ master ID, and over 10 mil as a atk master doc. but that was then and this is now.


i am "still mr/md works fine in the new system as well as the old. (if all i want to do is solo combat). but as far as doc.being a "usefull profession'"in the comunityforget it!


why would you ask me for a heal? ask your jedi friends, they can do a better job. buff? what a joke! you want a buff? level up it's free.


There will allways be bots, powergamers, and rude little children, exploiters, and hacks. that is just the human nature. but those of us that are none of them should be able to work together to make this the "live" galaxy it was before. i've allways been fair and at the keyboard (every one on chimaeria who knows me knows this) and i'm not the only one. i will help when i can ,,,but ... if you "contact me" to do "you" a service, i don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask a price. at wich point the choice is your. but plesase don't try to make or expect me to feel guilty this is my "profession" i didn't choose comat madic for a reason.


Ihear a lot of combat proffessions saying "you're not friendy " if i won't be bothered to heal or buff not all mind you but some, and that just isn't fair.we "earned our proffession, as well as you, we need suplies as well as you we're no more bots then those of you standing afk in the starposrts shouting about what you have to sell, want to buy, promoting you giuld, lfg, or spaming I NEED A HEAL, ANY DOCS? CAN I GET A BUFF? but god forbit i should ask for any "any" compadation.

you do what you think is right and i'll do what i think is right. and if you want to be mean to me because you're not getting what you want for free i know how to /addignore and if some oneS spam is bothering you ...do the same =)


d4mit Jim, i'm a doctor not a combat medic!

P.S. recrusive macros are a dead issue, and not really what this thread is about =)




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- I support a rollback and keeping & balancing the old combat system.
...and making SWG a better place to be. Your voice counts!
mazon
Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:57 pm
#56
I am not an entertainer or doctor, however I have noticed since the CU that there is indeed a scarcity of them around, especially doctors. Most of the time its impossible to find someone to heal you wounds. Getting rid of the afk doctors and not having an alternative will make this situation more dire, and result in another revamp regardless. Which is better buffbots or NPC healers?
SoupyC
Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:03 am
#57




MyT_Chicken wrote:




Sayic wrote:





What would I do? Simple....remove the ability to turn off Auto-AFK. And second treat Macro's as "Tells".


What I mean by that is if you send tells for 30m straight without moving your mouse and without typing in any actual chat channels (Spatial, guild, group, etc) you get disconnected for "Inactivity".


Macro's are good, a very awesome tool for a game like this. However the ability to use them to remain online just because you smile every 5 seconds is absolutely retarded. If you are AFK then you are AFK...there should be no way to avoid that, dispite what you are doing.


A service is something you do when your at the key's....otherwise your just another person taking up bandwidth.







The problem is this: Macroscould never be changed to be recognized astells...all macros allow us to do is to automate /commands with a simple scripting interface.There is no way for the system to differentiate between commands executed by someone typing them and commands executed by a macro. While I agree that AFKers are annoying, it simply isn't feasible to change a core part of the game itself to do away with them. That's what /ignore is for.


Cheers!

Elo



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"Oh no, don't do that. Don't do that. If you
shoot him, you'll just make him mad..."
FFNogoodnik
Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:24 am
#58
Stupid suggestion and I am sure there is a very good reason why it can't be done but can it be arrangedso a player can NOT receive xp and money while being afk or running a macro?
Frostbite



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Even though in the NGE I am a medic I did not spend
6 years in Evil Medical School to be called Mister,
Thank you very much.
SoupyC
Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:09 pm
#59
Maybe AFK, but again, the system cannot differentiate between commands coming from a macro and commands being typed by an ATK player...



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"Oh no, don't do that. Don't do that. If you
shoot him, you'll just make him mad..."
TarMangani
Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:11 pm
#60
Actually all you'd have to do is put in the same type of feature that exists when surveying, a pop up window that requires ATK intervention. This would eliminate AFK play...



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Because sometimes being ruthless just isn't good enough...
Aspraven
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Saving you money so you'll give more of it to me...
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SoupyC
Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:16 pm
#61
IIRC, there are /ui action *blah* commands that can skip these anyway...not particularly sure when it comes to this, but I know from doing crafting macros, some stuff can be skipped.



--Elondir Adaweo--
Elder MBH/Rifleman
"Oh no, don't do that. Don't do that. If you
shoot him, you'll just make him mad..."
FFNogoodnik
Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:09 am
#62
Ok, sothe system can not determine where the command came from, be it a macro or an actual person at the keyboard. Thatcould be changed.Basically macros are similar to text files that get read in from a diskand get sent to the keyboard buffer and interpreted by the system as commands. If a syntax requirement was put on all macros, perhaps a $ in front of every command, the system would then be able to tell which commands came from a macro and which ones came from the keyboard.

If that can be established, then restrictions can be put on gaining xp and cash when you are afk or running a macro. Obviously we will have to work around legitimate methods of using macros. After all, we are really trying to get rid of AFK ents and docs not macros in general. We can put the restirctions on gaining entertainer xp and medical xp based on this method of being able to determine if the player is using a macro.If the player has not done anything at the keyboard (i.e. all commands have a $ in front) for 10 minutes, they are officiallyAFK and can not gain xp until they come back. They prove they are back by typing a command (as its from the keyboard they do not need to put the $ in front, hence no macro induced command) or by saying something.


Ok so we have gotten this far. There is one more problem to resolve, as far I can tell anyway. Players can put multiple commands on one line, so they could pause for 9:59, say something, then pause again. This would allow them to simulate being at the keyboard. I would suggest the macro syntax beused with multiple commands on a single line as well.


So, instead of typing:

/pause 3000; /tell frostbite take the kool aid out of the freeze before it becomes ice

I would type:


$/pause 3000; $/tell frostbite take the kool aid out of the freeze before it becomes ice


The maximum number of characters that can be put in a macroand the keyboard buffer can be expanded to accomodate the extra $ characters.


I believe I have thought this through pretty well but am also sureI missed something. Look it over and post what you think and any flaws you see.


Dr. Frostbite Nogoodnik

Tarquinas



Dr. Frostbite Nogoodnik
Even though in the NGE I am a medic I did not spend
6 years in Evil Medical School to be called Mister,
Thank you very much.
FFNogoodnik
Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:45 am
#63

I am curious to know if the above may be a viable solution, feedback anyone?


Frostbite



Dr. Frostbite Nogoodnik
Even though in the NGE I am a medic I did not spend
6 years in Evil Medical School to be called Mister,
Thank you very much.
Warryyr
Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:18 pm
#64




Sayic wrote:

I understand the general anger toward AFK play, but I want to understand how it impacts your play. Please elaborate.




Did you mean as a Doctor or an Entertainer? I'll elaborate on Entertainer.


As an Entertainer, I spent most of early time in Theed cantina. Lots of nice folks, lots of fun, and I got tips. Those of us entertaining in there (aside from the occasional AFK'er) would group up and have some fun. I gradually saw the cantina thin out, then noticed distinct circles around Entertainers spamming about how they're AFK and just ask them for an invite to get buffed.


Suddenly the people who'd ask me for my services would run right by me, to get free buffs from this AFK player. And I had to work, and have a life, instead of deciding my career was playing SWG 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, to be a viable alternative to the always on, always buffing buffbots.


There was no way to compete.


Now, compare this with someone who wants to "set up shop" in Mos Eisley to help out new players. They log in, get to Eisley med center, and there's a bot spamming to just sit on the bed in front of them for wound healing and buffs, just tip what you like. Your gameplay experience gets overriden by a macro script, plain and simple.


Running macros while AFK isn't playing, in my mind. It's robbing others of filling your spot, when you have no business being there if you're not really playing. I think it's very unhealthy for the game, and has caused population problems for various professions once their obsession of the profession is gone - you get people who come to expect bot-like service, then when people who are actually playing the game see themselves outperformed by the bots - they give up and find a profession they have a role in. Then the bots leave the profession for something else, whenever something more profitable comes along, and the profession's slowly recovering while people yell for NPC's to be made to replace players. It's just all very unhealthy for an MMORPG.


Warryyr
Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:26 pm
#65




ScreamUK wrote:





Warryyr wrote:
GRRRRRRRRR, BAAAAAAAAAAA, YARRRRRRRRRRR, *Shakes Fist* muahahhaha, *Pulling Hair Out*

Message Edited by Warryyr on 05-25-200509:34 AM


Misspelt GRRRR





lol calm down Warryyr, You could have atleast read my post before you burst out of your buns and bashed the keyboard. You need some serious fresh air mate.


Well, thats atleast 3 people now that want to change this game MMOPG to suit them.

See I think thats the problem here, You need to get out of the game a bit and back to reality. macro's do help people keep in touch with the real world.


Reading your post I could almost see you spitting teeth at the monitor and pulling your buns all out of place.

I am guessing you have failed to see a bit of humour in my post , maybe you should re-read it when you have calmed down and straightened your hair out.


But please ban Role Play, There is no room for it here.


Scream

Message Edited by ScreamUK on 05-25-2005 09:03 AM



Hmm, shame I didn't read your blatherings earlier.


Think I'm pissed? Yeah, I'm pissed. Because AFK'ers ruined the Entertainer professions. Wake up, Doctors could be next. It's not funny logging in and finding yourself outdone by a macro, mark my words. It may be all fun and games to the people running the macros, but make no mistake - you're damaging this game.


I'm tired of responding to the same cliche about changing the game for us, blah blah - find a new excuse to defend your macro'ing, this one went out with the Swoop repair via shuttling bug. And I refuse to accept macro'ing as playing - you're not at the keyboard, you're not playing - and you shouldn't be able to pretend you are through macro'ing.


I think it's pathetic that you copped out of trying to take a stance for macro'ing by claiming it was all a joke. Stand by your statements or don't make them.


Next time, try considering other's viewpoints before just making a paltry attempt to mock them. Good luck.

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