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Thread: Buffbots have started up again
MyT_Chicken wrote:
See Jeyhrel, I don't even need to start with him.....you and Warryyr are doing a great job without my help.
I just couldn't resist that whole "I'm not flaming thing..."
The thing that gets me, is that nowhere in my original post was I even talking about an anti-AFKers revolution....I was simply explaining why most ATK Entertainers don't play in other area's of the game outside of private cities and such.
I picked up on that too, though I was curious as to what he read into your post to produce such a well written, thoroughly intelligent and respectful sounding post...
If people want to play AFK whatever....the devs will fix that on there own...they don't need my help.
Anyway's, I'm glad your still around.
I miss our chit-chats.
What's amusing is I had my own response to something you wrote previously, and I was thinking "yeah! He's back and I get to debate with him!" and I lost track of that thought dealing withWonderboy there... lol.
I'm not a doc at the moment, (not sure if I'll get it back before the respec ends), I went MBE as that is the new home of we crafting docs...however I still enjoy checking in from time to time to see what's being discussed.
However if it's ME that stopping you from respondingthen I'll now go into silent running mode...
MyT_Chicken wrote:
If you honestly think that you can destroy Role Playing in a MMORPG then you are seriously mistaken. But considering you probably have no clue what MMORPG even means I will spell it out for you.
Mass Multi-player Online Role Playing Game
Hey imagine that, what so many Players of this game do is actuallythe type of game they play. But hey if you think you can Nerf RP then feel free to try. Start a revolution or something....
You really think I was serious about what I said regarding RP ?
Your sense of humour went out the window when you started wearing the buns.
But atleast we know its official now that Macro's are out of the game soon. So we can all cancel our second accounts thanks to a few kids.
I just hope you and your 2 buddies can cope with the hundreds that need healing and are queing for hours. Please ensure you let them know that IT WAS YOU that suggested that macro's should be out of the game.
Well done and good luck with whatever you decide you want to nerf next.
Thats it from me.....
Scream
Message Edited by ScreamUK on 05-25-200504:18 PM
Message Edited by ScreamUK on 05-25-2005 04:18 PM
TarMangani wrote:
MyT_Chicken wrote:
See Jeyhrel, I don't even need to start with him.....you and Warryyr are doing a great job without my help.
I just couldn't resist that whole "I'm not flaming thing..."
Yeah I didn't feel the need to explain to him how the game works....you and War did a great job on that along with a lot of other people....however "wonderboy" had to open him big mouth again....which I'm sure will happen again here shortly.
The thing that gets me, is that nowhere in my original post was I even talking about an anti-AFKers revolution....I was simply explaining why most ATK Entertainers don't play in other area's of the game outside of private cities and such.
I picked up on that too, though I was curious as to what he read into your post to produce such a well written, thoroughly intelligent and respectful sounding post...
/shrug what can I say.....I'm the center of most debate on this forum regardless of my intentions.
If people want to play AFK whatever....the devs will fix that on there own...they don't need my help.
Anyway's, I'm glad your still around.
What's amusing is I had my own response to something you wrote previously, and I was thinking "yeah! He's back and I get to debate with him!" and I lost track of that thought dealing withWonderboy there... lol.
I'm not a doc at the moment, (not sure if I'll get it back before the respec ends), I went MBE as that is the new home of we crafting docs...however I still enjoy checking in from time to time to see what's being discussed.
However if it's ME that stopping you from respondingthen I'll now go into silent running mode...
No need for you to stop, I'm cracking up over here with read this thread...my abs hurt from laughing so much.....I do hope that you become a Doc again. I know that's not how you role, but you do contribute a lot of this forum, and we are already short staffed on people that can help Marrow with.....special people.
Weee.....making a rainbow is fun.
Sayic wrote:
I understand the general anger toward AFK play, but I want to understand how it impacts your play. Please elaborate.
You really need to go out side and get some air before your head explodes from learning a new word today....
MyT_Chicken wrote:
Sayic wrote:
I understand the general anger toward AFK play, but I want to understand how it impacts your play. Please elaborate.
There is no anger in what I write.....not today any ways. But if your looking for an understanding, just look around on any of the 3 entertainer forums. Then look around on the Doctor Forum....Then look around in the Item and Loot Forum.
The need for me to explain what has been said by other players already is ziltch. If you want to understand it, you have to be willing to do the research on your own....with and open mind. If you are serious about the matter, you will refrain from posting about it in the forums I've listed....There are PLEANTY of threads already strongly debating the issue all over the place.
It's pointless to debate this issue any further, because it honestly doesn't matter. The devs have made it very clear that AFK play....is going away.
When that will happen, I don't know.
This sounds like anger to me. My question was rather innocent. I dont want to know what problems others are having, I wanted to know what problems you were having......at least I did. With that kind of response you pretty much removed my curiosity on the matter. Using other people's arguments to substantiate your own is fine except when someone asks you for your own perspective and expects it to remain untarnished by others. Perhaps in your case that is not possible due to the level of frustration you have endured.
Sayic wrote:
This sounds like anger to me. My question was rather innocent. I dont want to know what problems others are having, I wanted to know what problems you were having......at least I did. With that kind of response you pretty much removed my curiosity on the matter. Using other people's arguments to substantiate your own is fine except when someone asks you for your own perspective and expects it to remain untarnished by others. Perhaps in your case that is not possible due to the level of frustration you have endured.
At any rate, we are all aware that the CSR's have indicated AFK play is on it's way out. They have also indicated they cant find a way to get rid of it. They would have to get rid of macros all together, and the game depends on them too much, as you well know, being versed in the argument. Nothing short of a system revamp is going to get rid of AFK play.
So, I guess you will be waiting a long time if you want afk play to be gone.
There are, however, ways to LIMIT AFK play. But it is unlikely that SOE will impliment them. They do not add incentives to ATK play, nor will they ever do so.
Nuff said.
MyT_Chicken wrote:
Macro's are good.....Reclusiveness of the macro's is what hurts this game, and any other MMO....and that is something the Dev's said in Indy. And that is exactly how I feel. It's all about Risk vs Reward, and if you are able to AFK, obviosly there is no risk involved and therefore you should not be rewarded for doing such and act.
Reclusive ... or Recursive?
... I would think that the ability for a macro to call itself is the bane of ATK players.
(just trying to clarify)
MyT_Chicken wrote:
Sayic wrote:
This sounds like anger to me. My question was rather innocent. I dont want to know what problems others are having, I wanted to know what problems you were having......at least I did. With that kind of response you pretty much removed my curiosity on the matter. Using other people's arguments to substantiate your own is fine except when someone asks you for your own perspective and expects it to remain untarnished by others. Perhaps in your case that is not possible due to the level of frustration you have endured.
At any rate, we are all aware that the CSR's have indicated AFK play is on it's way out. They have also indicated they cant find a way to get rid of it. They would have to get rid of macros all together, and the game depends on them too much, as you well know, being versed in the argument. Nothing short of a system revamp is going to get rid of AFK play.
So, I guess you will be waiting a long time if you want afk play to be gone.
There are, however, ways to LIMIT AFK play. But it is unlikely that SOE will impliment them. They do not add incentives to ATK play, nor will they ever do so.
Nuff said.
If AFKers only effected me then I would haveanswer your question from my point of view. However that is not how I read your post and I appologize for that.
To answer your question, they don't effect me, and the reason is I don't let them. I don't waste my time going to major city's, I can out damage most of the AFK Spawn looters, and if I can't I get my guild to help me. I don't watch AFK Ents and if that is all I can find in an area I go somewhere else. My ignore list is well up in the thousands and growing daily because I could care less what people are blabing about via Macro's.
I don't charge for healing, and even if I did I don't get the requests enough to even worry about it. I play my game with my guild, and a very very select few of "outsiders". If I'm looking for something odds are Someone in my 500+ Friends list can help me find it. If I need resources, I get them myself. I don't waste time making chit chat with people, because odds are I will never see them again. That however doesn't mean I don't follow a person who may be RPing. If I am presented a position where a person is doing RP I will follow suit with my toon because I do not want to ruin the fun for them.
AFKers do not effect me, because I'm been playing for 2 years, I actively read and participated in the forums, and I know what is going on because I read about the problems of the game by people that deal with them first. And then I avoid those area's like the plague because I don't have time to deal with stupid crap like that.
However,AFKers ruin game play for the "uninformed", by destroying local environments with spam, begging for tips when they are doing nothing, "Stealing" loot from "special spawns" such as Lord Nyax and other NPC's / Containers. And then making a profit at someone else's expense. Because people do this it hurts the Noobie Population, it hurts the economy, and it benifits no one but themselves. I like to call that "Ignorance"....
But now that this next patch is going through it's going to hurt any ATK Ent. As said before most people could care less if a person is there or not. But it's funny when people go AFK as a SF.....I get called a "Ganker" for putting them in their place;but I could honestly care less because they left themselves in the position to visit the cloner anywars. Don't wanna get killed, don't go AFK in the middle of a populated area.
Macro's are good.....Reclusiveness of the macro's is what hurts this game, and any other MMO....and that is something the Dev's said in Indy. And that is exactly how I feel. It's all about Risk vs Reward, and if you are able to AFK, obviosly there is no risk involved and therefore you should not be rewarded for doing such and act.
Thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for. I wanted the problem from your perspective, and you gave it to me. Do you have any suggestions as to how Sony could limit AFK play? I have some ideas myself, and though it is unlikely Sony would implement them (they rarely listen to us after all) it is good to discuss the issue.
QuiGonWindu wrote:
MyT_Chicken wrote:
Macro's are good.....Reclusiveness of the macro's is what hurts this game, and any other MMO....and that is something the Dev's said in Indy. And that is exactly how I feel. It's all about Risk vs Reward, and if you are able to AFK, obviosly there is no risk involved and therefore you should not be rewarded for doing such and act.
Reclusive ... or Recursive? ... I would think that the ability for a macro to call itself is the bane of ATK players.
(just trying to clarify)
I do believe recursive was the intent. Recursive macros can be useful without using them for AFK play (like my mood macro to prevent me from going AFK when I run away to the bathroom)
Sayic wrote:
Thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for. I wanted the problem from your perspective, and you gave it to me. Do you have any suggestions as to how Sony could limit AFK play? I have some ideas myself, and though it is unlikely Sony would implement them (they rarely listen to us after all) it is good to discuss the issue.
What would I do? Simple....remove the ability to turn off Auto-AFK. And second treat Macro's as "Tells".
What I mean by that is if you send tells for 30m straight without moving your mouse and without typing in any actual chat channels (Spatial, guild, group, etc) you get disconnected for "Inactivity".
Macro's are good, a very awesome tool for a game like this. However the ability to use them to remain online just because you smile every 5 seconds is absolutely retarded. If you are AFK then you are AFK...there should be no way to avoid that, dispite what you are doing.
A service is something you do when your at the key's....otherwise your just another person taking up bandwidth.
MyT_Chicken wrote:
Sayic wrote:
Thank you. That is exactly what I was looking for. I wanted the problem from your perspective, and you gave it to me. Do you have any suggestions as to how Sony could limit AFK play? I have some ideas myself, and though it is unlikely Sony would implement them (they rarely listen to us after all) it is good to discuss the issue.
What would I do? Simple....remove the ability to turn off Auto-AFK. And second treat Macro's as "Tells".
What I mean by that is if you send tells for 30m straight without moving your mouse and without typing in any actual chat channels (Spatial, guild, group, etc) you get disconnected for "Inactivity".
Macro's are good, a very awesome tool for a game like this. However the ability to use them to remain online just because you smile every 5 seconds is absolutely retarded. If you are AFK then you are AFK...there should be no way to avoid that, dispite what you are doing.
A service is something you do when your at the key's....otherwise your just another person taking up bandwidth.
/agreed
And I'd also add a longer /ignore list.. if i see another "watch my swaying hips to ease your mind" macro I'll barf.. and considering its 99% likely its a dude on the other end /doublebarf
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