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Thread: What in God's Name?
Just three points though.
1 - you compare things to RL, fine, but in RL there are laws that forbid companies to sell below cost. Which is the case in game when people buff for 2k, as you can't buy your buff supplies for that price. I have no problem with people selling at 6k if they want to, it's their problem if they are reducing their profit, but people selling under cost do bother me.
2 - I'm not going to tell people how to play their character, obviously it's their money they pay every month and they don't care whetherthe waythey spend it bothers others or not (you pretty much imply this yourself in your post anyway). Fact is, this game is based on a communauty, and when players of a profession screw up the other players of their profession just because that's how they want to spend their 15dollars a month, it's just sad. I'm one of the people who will not set up a shop next to another to sell the same product twice cheaper, I just think it's sad that so many would do it in a heartbeat just because it pleases their own self and after all, it's their 15 dollars a month.
Songe wrote:
Just three points though.
1 - you compare things to RL, fine, but in RL there are laws that forbid companies to sell below cost. Which is the case in game when people buff for 2k, as you can't buy your buff supplies for that price. I have no problem with people selling at 6k if they want to, it's their problem if they are reducing their profit, but people selling under cost do bother me. In RL you most certainly CAN sell under cost.
2 - I'm not going to tell people how to play their character, obviously it's their money they pay every month and they don't care whetherthe waythey spend it bothers others or not (you pretty much imply this yourself in your post anyway). Fact is, this game is based on a communauty, and when players of a profession screw up the other players of their profession just because that's how they want to spend their 15dollars a month, it's just sad. I'm one of the people who will not set up a shop next to another to sell the same product twice cheaper, I just think it's sad that so many would do it in a heartbeat just because it pleases their own self and after all, it's their 15 dollars a month. Giving buffs away wouldn't "screw up other players of their profession". The original poster made a 500,000 credit profit, DESPITE the guy selling for 2k. Also, I highly doubt 2k absolutely ensures no profit. What you think is sad, isin reality how this game is designed. COMPETITION. Without it, prices would get out of control. You SHOULD set up shop right next to another person selling the same thing. Why? This leads to competition, which leads to better prices AND better product. Without competition I could sell 800 power 10 charge 1 hour buff sets if I wanted, for whatever price, because I would monopolize the market. If someone is right next to me selling my same product, then I have to work to make my product either the best, or the most value, or both; in order to attract new customers who have an alternative to my product. Your entire viewpoint makes no sense, as if enough people actually followed it they would ruin the game.
3 -Thinking that youdeserve a certain profit foryour service doesn't necessarily have anything to do with greed, but pretty often with the notion of getting the best money out of your time (in this case).If adoc needs money and doesn't get a decent profit for his buffs he will just go run 20k missions like everyone else... does it make him greedy too? Or are all the people who want some money greedy as well? I guess we are all greedy then. You are misunderstanding my point. WANTING to be successful is one thing, and you are entitled to that of course, its the reason I play. Feeling "entitled" to a "certain degree of success" to the point of saying other players are inhibiting you from accomplishing that due to their prices, is totally different. You have every right to want to make a profit, but you have no right to tell others how to do it. THE POINT OF SELLING BUFFS ISN'T TO BECOME RICH, IT IS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE BY BEING A DOCTOR, BECAUSE YOU ENJOY IT. If you are playing this game simply to make a huge profit on time invested, then run janta missions. There is no faster/simpler/cheaper way to amass huge credits. I can make 1mil every 2 hours running jantas (not counting loot). NO WAY is my buff business a better profit for the time/materials invested. I run my buff business because I ENJOY it. Its the part of the game that I find fun. If you have to complain about others prices because it affects your enjoyment of the game, I think you need to sit down and ask yourself why you are a doctor in the first place, if you don't enjoy your profession. There are plenty of professions that lead to more money.
Songe wrote:
1 - you compare things to RL, fine, but in RL there are laws that forbid companies to sell below cost. Which is the case in game when people buff for 2k, as you can't buy your buff supplies for that price. I have no problem with people selling at 6k if they want to, it's their problem if they are reducing their profit, but people selling under cost do bother me.
As a matter of fact, you can buy your buff packs.
Let's say the average cost is 20k per pack, or 120k per set.
Let's say average charges are 25 per pack.
You can charge 5k per, and end up making a 5k profit. Is that a lot? No. Is it above cost? Yes. So still, your argument is unfounded.
I sell my packs, at 16,500 per pack, or 100k a set. You can't charge 2k per buff, you'd have to charge 4,100 to make a profit, but I'm assuming anyone who charges 2k per buff is making their own product, as it only makes sense 
Next.
DarthXanthic wrote:
Songe wrote:
Just three points though.
1 - you compare things to RL, fine, but in RL there are laws that forbid companies to sell below cost. Which is the case in game when people buff for 2k, as you can't buy your buff supplies for that price. I have no problem with people selling at 6k if they want to, it's their problem if they are reducing their profit, but people selling under cost do bother me. In RL you most certainly CAN sell under cost.
2 - I'm not going to tell people how to play their character, obviously it's their money they pay every month and they don't care whetherthe waythey spend it bothers others or not (you pretty much imply this yourself in your post anyway). Fact is, this game is based on a communauty, and when players of a profession screw up the other players of their profession just because that's how they want to spend their 15dollars a month, it's just sad. I'm one of the people who will not set up a shop next to another to sell the same product twice cheaper, I just think it's sad that so many would do it in a heartbeat just because it pleases their own self and after all, it's their 15 dollars a month. Giving buffs away wouldn't "screw up other players of their profession". The original poster made a 500,000 credit profit, DESPITE the guy selling for 2k. Also, I highly doubt 2k absolutely ensures no profit. What you think is sad, isin reality how this game is designed. COMPETITION. Without it, prices would get out of control. You SHOULD set up shop right next to another person selling the same thing. Why? This leads to competition, which leads to better prices AND better product. Without competition I could sell 800 power 10 charge 1 hour buff sets if I wanted, for whatever price, because I would monopolize the market. If someone is right next to me selling my same product, then I have to work to make my product either the best, or the most value, or both; in order to attract new customers who have an alternative to my product. Your entire viewpoint makes no sense, as if enough people actually followed it they would ruin the game.
3 -Thinking that youdeserve a certain profit foryour service doesn't necessarily have anything to do with greed, but pretty often with the notion of getting the best money out of your time (in this case).If adoc needs money and doesn't get a decent profit for his buffs he will just go run 20k missions like everyone else... does it make him greedy too? Or are all the people who want some money greedy as well? I guess we are all greedy then. You are misunderstanding my point. WANTING to be successful is one thing, and you are entitled to that of course, its the reason I play. Feeling "entitled" to a "certain degree of success" to the point of saying other players are inhibiting you from accomplishing that due to their prices, is totally different. You have every right to want to make a profit, but you have no right to tell others how to do it. THE POINT OF SELLING BUFFS ISN'T TO BECOME RICH, IT IS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE BY BEING A DOCTOR, BECAUSE YOU ENJOY IT. If you are playing this game simply to make a huge profit on time invested, then run janta missions. There is no faster/simpler/cheaper way to amass huge credits. I can make 1mil every 2 hours running jantas (not counting loot). NO WAY is my buff business a better profit for the time/materials invested. I run my buff business because I ENJOY it. Its the part of the game that I find fun. If you have to complain about others prices because it affects your enjoyment of the game, I think you need to sit down and ask yourself why you are a doctor in the first place, if you don't enjoy your profession. There are plenty of professions that lead to more money.
in RL if you were to sell everything you made under cost you would never make any profit to by more stuff to produce more goods to sell onto the buying public to make more money to.. well u get the idea..
i agree u can sell at cost or just under as a promotional offer, to build up business get your name knownbut not for ever else you would go out of business
It's not promoting competition, it's trying to ruin someone business because *you* think they charge too much.
DarthXanthic wrote:
2 - I won't set up my shop next to someone else because I don't spend my 15 dollars a month to be an ass. How is promoting competition being an ass? You never answered that.
Songe wrote:
It's not promoting competition, it's trying to ruin someone business because *you* think they charge too much.
DarthXanthic wrote:
2 - I won't set up my shop next to someone else because I don't spend my 15 dollars a month to be an ass. How is promoting competition being an ass? You never answered that.
Sorry, you are wrong.
Capitolism is based on competition.
If you only have one person selling a product (a monopoly - which IS illegal in the united states) that leads to insane prices on said product, because no one competes in the same field.
This is what lead to the deregulation of telephone companies.
You are wrong, quit looking for excuses and deal with it.
Songe wrote:
It's not promoting competition, it's trying to ruin someone business because *you* think they charge too much.
DarthXanthic wrote:
2 - I won't set up my shop next to someone else because I don't spend my 15 dollars a month to be an ass. How is promoting competition being an ass? You never answered that.
Message Edited by Tiberian74 on 05-01-2004 02:25 PM
Personaly I love it when someone else is selling buffs for free or for 2k. If they have a long line I will charge 12k a set and advertise short lines. I will keep raising my price untill my line ends up being 3 people long and that is where I will keep my price. Sometimes it tops out at around 18-20k a set. guess what. I am not taking business away from anyone else and I am making what people think my buffs are worth. If I go to high they will go somewhere else to buy them. The price is not set by the person selling, but by the person buying. I can not sell something to you unless you decide to pay for it. If you can't pay I don't sell it to you. And to those who say that the economy is in inflation there is a great article that shows otherwise out right now.
Anyway this is how it works in a free economy. As demand increases, so does price. Demand for buffs is at an all time high and hence so is the price. I know that I didn't purchase my first buff untill late november. I didn't even know they existed. I wasa TKM before I even knew about buffs. So guess what once I found out about them I was thrilled, still didn't buy them. Heck if I had wanted to I could have dropped my medic skill because I almost never would have needed to use my stims. (I was master medic TKM and something else at the time.) No one needs buffs to playGalaxies. They might not be able to do the same things without buffs but heckeven a newbiecan go out and run15 low level missions and get a full set of buffs.
Now I am a master doc and float from melee prof to melee prof, and I go everywhere buffed. It would cost me an arm and a leg to go buffed all the time, but I would still make money on it. You know what? I love to buff people too. In fact I buff all the time. I also spend lots of money on crap that I give away. I charge whatever people will pay for buffs and if all the other docs on my server started charging 2k a set of buffs I would still charge 10k most of the time because their lines would be long and I would be there willing to buff with little wait.
DarthXanthic wrote:
Sorry, you are wrong.
Songe wrote:
In some cases yes, in others no.
You didn't say that. You said "I get mad at people selling buffs for 2k because you can't make a profit at that price."
You can. You are wrong.