Doctor Archive
Thread: War on Tumblers!
Radar-X wrote:
OneCuteGal wrote:
Okay...now I am lost. First off, what exactly do you mean when you say 'stockpilers'? Are you talking about the people who gather mass amounts of rescources and tries to sell it or keep it for themselves? I am a little confused, now. As for my personally buying meat, I have never bought anything outside of grinding quality of anything as I try to harvest what I need unless I happen to run out and need something on the fly. Sure, I have two characters and use Leate to harvest stuff for Twylyte, but I try to be as self-reliant as I possibly can so I won't have to pay. Maybe if more people tried to help themselves out instead of relying on others to do the work for them then things wouldn't be so screwy, economy-wise.
As for the subject of selling meds and buffing for money, how do you propose we make enough money to keep our harvesters and factories running? Sure, a lot of the doctors out there also have combat skills and can do missions, but what do you suggest to people who play strictly non-combat characters like I do when I am on as Twylyte? Sure, she is also a master dancer and can mind buff, but I have a feeling you might complain about my charging for those, too (I don't. If people ask me what I sharge I let them decide what they are worth, letting them control what they pay). Sure, I can wait for tips from people I heal but you often times go hungry when you settle for 'relying on the kindness of strangers'. Where I do appreciate your views, I can't help but feel like they might be a little narrow minded. But please feel free to prove me wrong if I am. I am willing to learn when possible.
When I refer to stockpilers I'm referring to the people I'm having to buy Hydron3 and Dolovite from because it hasn't spawned in forever and they charge 50% more than what it was going for when it spawned. Your meat problem is a whole different thread but a ton of it comes from docs with a lot of money who want as much meat as possible so they out bid other docs for the meat.This skyrocketed the meat prices but like I said thats all another thread.
As for buffing I said that many hologrinders use Doc to make money (probably to fund hologrinding) which creates more supply for buffs. Very few of them give a crap about being a Doc and there are less and less "real" doc's left. Honestly how you make your money is none of my business but I dont' see why you wouldn't charge for mind buffs. I respect your self-reliance and I 100% agree with you that people need to do things themselves more. I wish more people had your work ethic.
I stated I have no problem with tumblers and in fact I don't really have a huge problem with hologrinders in general. Hologrinding hasn't made a good or bad doc. Hologrinding in many cases has made a stupid doc that asks really stupid questions that they wouldn't ask if they spent more than 5 minutes on the profession. Other than that they can tumble to their hearts content as long as they aren't spamming. Please don't think I was arguing with you as I agree with everything you said. I just don't want you to underestimate what hologrinders have done to the game as a whole. Why do you think the Jedi revamp is being pushed ahead?
Okay..I think I might have misread some of your post and I aplogize. I retract my response to that part of your post.
I really wish I could have played the game from the beginning. I would love to know how things were then compared to now.
heh, another good doctor/bad doctor thread
ive been a master doc since last june. i did all my xp in a medical center, on live patients. does that mean anything to me? no
why should i care how someone else makes master doc? its their character...let them do as they please, they arent hurting anyone
OneCuteGal wrote:
Okay...now I am lost. First off, what exactly do you mean when you say 'stockpilers'? Are you talking about the people who gather mass amounts of rescources and tries to sell it or keep it for themselves? I am a little confused, now. As for my personally buying meat, I have never bought anything outside of grinding quality of anything as I try to harvest what I need unless I happen to run out and need something on the fly. Sure, I have two characters and use Leate to harvest stuff for Twylyte, but I try to be as self-reliant as I possibly can so I won't have to pay. Maybe if more people tried to help themselves out instead of relying on others to do the work for them then things wouldn't be so screwy, economy-wise.
As for the subject of selling meds and buffing for money, how do you propose we make enough money to keep our harvesters and factories running? Sure, a lot of the doctors out there also have combat skills and can do missions, but what do you suggest to people who play strictly non-combat characters like I do when I am on as Twylyte? Sure, she is also a master dancer and can mind buff, but I have a feeling you might complain about my charging for those, too (I don't. If people ask me what I sharge I let them decide what they are worth, letting them control what they pay). Sure, I can wait for tips from people I heal but you often times go hungry when you settle for 'relying on the kindness of strangers'. Where I do appreciate your views, I can't help but feel like they might be a little narrow minded. But please feel free to prove me wrong if I am. I am willing to learn when possible.
When I refer to stockpilers I'm referring to the people I'm having to buy Hydron3 and Dolovite from because it hasn't spawned in forever and they charge 50% more than what it was going for when it spawned. Your meat problem is a whole different thread but a ton of it comes from docs with a lot of money who want as much meat as possible so they out bid other docs for the meat.This skyrocketed the meat prices but like I said thats all another thread.
As for buffing I said that many hologrinders use Doc to make money (probably to fund hologrinding) which creates more supply for buffs. Very few of them give a crap about being a Doc and there are less and less "real" doc's left. Honestly how you make your money is none of my business but I dont' see why you wouldn't charge for mind buffs. I respect your self-reliance and I 100% agree with you that people need to do things themselves more. I wish more people had your work ethic.
Cailid010 wrote:
Flynn_Nomad wrote:
Bottom line, TUMBLING WAS NOT designed intentionally to provide medics/doctors with quick efficient methods of aquiring experience points.
Maybe BE's should be able to sample tumblers too!
Maybe they should make tumbler assistant droids!
Maybe make a whole profession called tumbling!
Tumblers just can't admit that this "method" was not intended as part of the game.
No, it was not an intentional design. The devs have stated in the past thqat it will be changed so that you don't get exp for healing damage caused by using specials. But it is currently in the game and people will use it for now. Once it's gone people will find and use the next best method to get the fastest exp.
However, this still does not give anyone the right to grief tumblers by buffing their stats.
Doing so is nothing more than petty griefing that can get you banned, as it should.
Message Edited by Cailid010 on 06-09-2004 01:44 PM
Why not? I don't understand your logic?
It's OK for tumblers to tumble, because tumbling exists in the game mecahnicsand is possible to do. Well...
Buffing exists in the game mecahnicsand is possible to do.
So why should you be banned for unwanted buffing? The devs had a chance to give doc's the ability to remove buffs, but they didnt do it. They let us override buffs instead.
If you think docs should be banned for performing an unwanted action,
I think tumblers should be banned for performing an unwanted action...
Flynn_Nomad wrote:
Why not? I don't understand your logic?
It's OK for tumblers to tumble, because tumbling exists in the game mecahnicsand is possible to do. Well...
Buffing exists in the game mecahnicsand is possible to do.
So why should you be banned for unwanted buffing? The devs had a chance to give doc's the ability to remove buffs, but they didnt do it. They let us override buffs instead.
If you think docs should be banned for performing an unwanted action,
I think tumblers should be banned for performing an unwanted action...
Trying to justify your own griefing?
Cailid010 wrote:
Flynn_Nomad wrote:
Why not? I don't understand your logic?
It's OK for tumblers to tumble, because tumbling exists in the game mecahnicsand is possible to do. Well...
Buffing exists in the game mecahnicsand is possible to do.
So why should you be banned for unwanted buffing? The devs had a chance to give doc's the ability to remove buffs, but they didnt do it. They let us override buffs instead.
If you think docs should be banned for performing an unwanted action,
I think tumblers should be banned for performing an unwanted action...
Trying to justify your own griefing?
The tumbler does not interfere with your gameplay
You buffing him does interfere with his gameplay.
That is griefing. It is nothing more than a petty, small minded action. Anyone that griefs others just because they don't like that persons method of gameplay deserves to be banned and I hope they are banned.
i have to agree with that. someone tumbling isnt affecting you in any way. if you buff a tumbler that someone is healing, you are grieffing that healer.
-Livoki
Novice Doc/Novice TK
Mundak wrote:
If they get rid of tumbling they need to nerf every profession out there. Everycombat profession easlily solos with out taking ny damage so they dont need yo there to heal them. Everyone and their brother has the tka line tohewal own wounds this was the final nail in the coffin. This needs to be removed. Believe me i would rather heal folks that needed it other then waste time on afk tumblers. But since we got novice brawlers that cen get 80% kin armor and 10k buffs and go solo rancors there is no use for novice medics anymore. And yes pretty soon the cantinas will be completely empty so no healing them either. Once they close down the holo grind there will be one or two ents in a cantina if your lucky at a time. Those will be afk alts most likily.. Yes this game needs alot of changes. But these changes will make 95% of the servers cry about being nerfed and now they cant solo krayt dragons.
This is like sayingcrafters can only get xp from stuff that is sold and used by other players. if this is the case they woud never get to master.
The tumbler does not interfere with your gameplay
You buffing him does interfere with his gameplay.
I've buffed them as I went by.... Action and Health of course though so they have more of a ham to heal... gotcha! LOL
Aeron-Blackthorn wrote:
The tumbler does not interfere with your gameplay
You buffing him does interfere with his gameplay.
Woah.
While I agree with the first one umm the second "gameplay" consists of them not even being at the computer, running a looping macro and irritating the crap out of everyone around them by screaming "HEY LOOK I'M TUMBLING!! GIVE ME MONEY BECAUSE I'M NICE LIKE THAT!"
Correct me if I'm wrong but in allactually the SOE Team actually frowns heavily upon gameplay that consists of you being afk running a macro. Trust me that's a huge debate on the entertainer forums as well.
We get xp if we heal him or we get xp if we buff them... sorry if buffing xp is more than a heal