Doctor Archive
Thread: War on Tumblers!
Songe wrote:
/shrug I personally don't think that there is such thing as a good doc or a bad doc when doing missions. It doesn't require much skill to use stims or cure packs lol.
The skill of the medic/doc is really shown in larger groups. In groups of three or four, it's really no big deal to throw a couple of heals here and there. Now, when you start to get into groups of ten and twelve, it takes some skill and concentration. You need to keep track of where your groupmates are, which ones need heals, and you also need to manage your mind pool effectively.
Ihave noticed how a lot of people are saying 'hologrinders have ruined the doctor profession'. Let me tell you all what is ruining the profession more than those who use tumblers to level fast, in my opinion-
1) The repeatedspawning of high quality avian meat on such planets like Rori, making it hard for anyone to get any decent amount of it as the birds and vir vur do not really give a lot of meat (I got lucky, though and did get over 700 unitis of meat off of the last spawn of avian on a vir vur lair). This causes those who gather meat and sell it to sell it for super-insane prices (200cpu? WTH?) and in turn, makes it very expensive to make buffs, which raises the prices those needing buffed have to pay..
2) The rarity of some of the resources. Dolovite iron and Class 4 Petro are two of the hardest things to find and we have to have it if we are going to make the advanced componets. And when the Class 4 does show up it is cruddy. Why can't we get the more rare rescources with good stats once in a while?
3) People who complain about the 'state' of the doctor profession, both doctors and non-doctors alike. Why not find something positive to post about or make comment about ingame? Or at least say 'thank you' once in a while? I am going to be a doctor as Twylyte before long but I sure in the hell won't enjoy it if I feel like I am not appreciated. People who chose to do doctor deserve some sort of respect, especially those who make their own buff packs and other meds. I know just how hard it can be (from prior experience) and I remember barely getting a thank you at times. Yeah, that will really motivate someone into wanting to help others.
Anyhow, that's all my opinion. Take it as you will.
Are you actually suggesting there is no other way for medics or doctors to level besides tumbling???
Miffed wrote:
How would you suggest these people level? Is it really worth complaining about ? How exactally are they ruining the profession ?
Miffed
Flynn_Nomad wrote:
Are you actually suggesting there is no other way for medics or doctors to level besides tumbling???
Miffed wrote:
How would you suggest these people level? Is it really worth complaining about ? How exactally are they ruining the profession ?
Radar-X wrote:
OneCuteGal wrote:
Ihave noticed how a lot of people are saying 'hologrinders have ruined the doctor profession'. Let me tell you all what is ruining the profession more than those who use tumblers to level fast, in my opinion-
1) The repeatedspawning of high quality avian meat on such planets like Rori, making it hard for anyone to get any decent amount of it as the birds and vir vur do not really give a lot of meat (I got lucky, though and did get over 700 unitis of meat off of the last spawn of avian on a vir vur lair). This causes those who gather meat and sell it to sell it for super-insane prices (200cpu? WTH?) and in turn, makes it very expensive to make buffs, which raises the prices those needing buffed have to pay..
2) The rarity of some of the resources. Dolovite iron and Class 4 Petro are two of the hardest things to find and we have to have it if we are going to make the advanced componets. And when the Class 4 does show up it is cruddy. Why can't we get the more rare rescources with good stats once in a while?
3) People who complain about the 'state' of the doctor profession, both doctors and non-doctors alike. Why not find something positive to post about or make comment about ingame? Or at least say 'thank you' once in a while? I am going to be a doctor as Twylyte before long but I sure in the hell won't enjoy it if I feel like I am not appreciated. People who chose to do doctor deserve some sort of respect, especially those who make their own buff packs and other meds. I know just how hard it can be (from prior experience) and I remember barely getting a thank you at times. Yeah, that will really motivate someone into wanting to help others.
Anyhow, that's all my opinion. Take it as you will.
I'll start on the stockpilers too if it will make you feel better. Or I can start on the people who "have to have the best or nothing"when it comes to weapons, armor, and yes medical supplies. I've never seen a MMORPG with so little use for anything under 90%. However, we don't need another meat thread thats for sure. If you want to compete with the "wealthy" doctors then you have to pony up comparable to what they are paying. Otherwise don't buy the meat. How did hologrinding ruin Doctor? Tons of people did it and found out it was a cash cow and now there are tons of people who do it for just that reason. I've rarely met a Doc who made their money other ways than buffing and selling meds really unhappy with the profession.
Okay...now I am lost. First off, what exactly do you mean when you say 'stockpilers'? Are you talking about the people who gather mass amounts of rescources and tries to sell it or keep it for themselves? I am a little confused, now. As for my personally buying meat, I have never bought anything outside of grinding quality of anything as I try to harvest what I need unless I happen to run out and need something on the fly. Sure, I have two characters and use Leate to harvest stuff for Twylyte, but I try to be as self-reliant as I possibly can so I won't have to pay. Maybe if more people tried to help themselves out instead of relying on others to do the work for them then things wouldn't be so screwy, economy-wise.
As for the subject of selling meds and buffing for money, how do you propose we make enough money to keep our harvesters and factories running? Sure, a lot of the doctors out there also have combat skills and can do missions, but what do you suggest to people who play strictly non-combat characters like I do when I am on as Twylyte? Sure, she is also a master dancer and can mind buff, but I have a feeling you might complain about my charging for those, too (I don't. If people ask me what I sharge I let them decide what they are worth, letting them control what they pay). Sure, I can wait for tips from people I heal but you often times go hungry when you settle for 'relying on the kindness of strangers'. Where I do appreciate your views, I can't help but feel like they might be a little narrow minded. But please feel free to prove me wrong if I am. I am willing to learn when possible.
Scoooter wrote:
What does it really matter
I have been a master doc since october and learned by going on missions and healing people in battle. That makes me a better doc.
So what of people get xp by tumbling. Until they truly learn the profession I will be a better doctor than they would.
Doing doc the way I did was tough because I went through weeks of torment because no one pays for anything.
Let them be, if they are holo grinding fine, if afterwards they choose not to learn the profession in how it should be played that just makes good doctors more sought after
Flynn_Nomad wrote:
Bottom line, TUMBLING WAS NOT designed intentionally to provide medics/doctors with quick efficient methods of aquiring experience points.
Maybe BE's should be able to sample tumblers too!
Maybe they should make tumbler assistant droids!
Maybe make a whole profession called tumbling!
Tumblers just can't admit that this "method" was not intended as part of the game.
No, it was not an intentional design. The devs have stated in the past thqat it will be changed so that you don't get exp for healing damage caused by using specials. But it is currently in the game and people will use it for now. Once it's gone people will find and use the next best method to get the fastest exp.
However, this still does not give anyone the right to grief tumblers by buffing their stats.
Doing so is nothing more than petty griefing that can get you banned, as it should.
Message Edited by Cailid010 on 06-09-2004 01:44 PM
Speaking as one of the "old school" doctors who started out as a medic on day one of the SWG Launch. I did my entire path to Master Doctor as an active "employee" of an established player cantina near the Krayt Dragon Graveyard (back in the day when everyone was getting the crap beat out of them going up against Krayts). I talked with my customers, healed their wounds and kept the band and dancers from falling down from exhaustion. I made all of my own medicines by hand and never got a factory until after I had acheived Master Doc! I never did practice mode grinding, every last resource was precious to me back then. Tips were not that great because everyone was a newb and didn't have much money.
Once I hit Master Doc I signed up to go on Krayt hunts and burned up many a rez kit on hunting party guests. I was never a million credit list winner but I had enough money to keep all my buildings/harvesters running and I had good gear. Life was good. Back in December I got extremely angrywithwhatI viewed was a "horribly brokengame" (details of that not important here) so I deleted all my toons in disgust and closed my account.
I went on to play other MMORPG's DAoC and Lineage2 Beta to name a few. Just a few weeks ago I realized that none of these games gave me anywhere near the sense of individuality and control that SWG had done. I also heard that a lot of progress was being made to fix a lot of broken "stuff" in SWG so I decided to give it a try.
That being said...I am now playing again and am once again working my way back to Master Doctor. I am not ashamed to admit that during those times when all my old and new SWG friends are offline and unavailable to go hunting with to get XP that I have on two occasions used a tumblebot. Personally I find any toon that is a majority AFK/Macro/Shoutspambot every 3 seconds to be extremely offensive. This includes tumblebots, entertainers, buffbots and the like that exist at or nearly 100% as AFK toons doing nothing but to run macros and spam spatial chat with advertisements/begging/announcements. That being said it is their right to do so and I have /ignore at my disposal to restore peace and quite to "my" world. I would never grief or otherwise waste any time on them, it only reduces me to their level and I have much better things to do like go play the game and have fun!
I for one have already "earned" Master Doctor once and I know full well what I am doing and I have no intention of spending weeks and weeks laboring to get backto Master Doctor.Back in "the good old days" I was considered to be among the best oftheMaster Doctorsin the galaxy by those that were familiar with me. Been there done that...hand crafted myown friggin t-shirt!If I choose to spend an hour or two using a tumblebot to speed things along that is my decision and it should have no bearing or impact on anyone else. I intend to be the samegoodole' country doctor I always was, always a "live" player neverAFK macro anything, always willing to help out, I will heal those that need it and sell buffs to those who ask them of me but I am damn sure not going to sitaround at a starport or any other place doing AFK master doctor buffspatial spam trying to make money.If you want to do that, far be it for me to judge you. I don't like doing that but I am not about to start a NERF/Grief campaign to get AFK anybody kicked out of the game.You play how you want to play and I will play how I want to play. Have a reasonable amount of courtesy and respect for your fellow players and human beings and you wont get any grief from me.
...but the thing is (im starting to ramble on abit so i hope u all not lost) im not tumbling the whole Doc prof...i just want to get the enhance and revive skill so i can help myself and my friends....i also didnt AFK...coz anyone that came into med centre with wounds i would heal them asap...unless there was a few novice medics around id just let them heal.