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Legende wrote:

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

Wow you are way mistaken... If a value of something is based on the time you buy it or gather it yourself, could you sell me your grandfathers house for the 10,000$ he paid for it? no no no, really its no bother to me, i know its worth 150k right now, but its VALUE is based at the time he bought it right?

sheesh.....

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I seem to have misread what you said...

And what you said makes absolutely no sense, I don't get what you are trying to say?

IE: How does it relate to my analysis of total profit made based on credits spent to credits earned buffing, regardless of time spent setting up/actual buffing.

Message Edited by Legende on 10-10-2004 04:37 PM

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Jirob1 wrote:

Yoshua,

I'm looking forward to higher 900 Buffpackprices soon, though 100 mil in 2 weeks is pretty neat... hehe

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I knew u knew me :0)

and as for the 100 mil... u make me sick.... envious but sick lol. Difference betwen you and i, i dont like putting effort into things, so i will remain a 5 mil or less player the majority of the time i play, im ok with that. You on the other hand can afford to pay 25mil for a power hammer lol

Jirob is not a normal dr, cant use his income to base the general dr population off of. Probably between him, sippura and a few other crafting dr's on bria, they hold the majority of the cash ON bria lol

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

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Legende wrote:

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

Wow you are way mistaken... If a value of something is based on the time you buy it or gather it yourself, could you sell me your grandfathers house for the 10,000$ he paid for it? no no no, really its no bother to me, i know its worth 150k right now, but its VALUE is based at the time he bought it right?

sheesh.....

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I seem to have misread what you said...

And what you said makes absolutely no sense, I don't get what you are trying to say?

IE: How does it relate to my analysis of total profit made based on credits spent to credits earned buffing, regardless of time spent setting up/actual buffing.

Message Edited by Legende on 10-10-2004 04:37 PM

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You Said

"Factored in costs for self gathered resources... market value is irrelavent in cost calculation when you gather it yourself:
3 CPU for machine harvested resources b/c it's cheaper than that to harvest them anyways, especially if you harvest your own radio too.
5 CPU for Herbi.
10 CPU for Avian b/c it's generally harder to get."

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U say market value is irrelevent when you gather it your self. but all ur really saying is you shoot yourself in the foot because you dont need to make what the market will pay for it.

Market Value is extreamly relevent, otherwise you could just take the raw resources and make alot more profit off of it, unless you plan on selling 300cpu avian for 10cpu, just because you harvested it yourself. If thats the case, i want you as my new personal hunter, i will give you 10cpu for all the avian you collect for me that i ask you to collect.

Market value is relevant, just because your Grandfather bought the house for 10k about 5 spawns ago, doesnt meant its only worth 10k now, you could now make 100k on it because in those last 5 spawns the value of it has gone up 1000%

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Heh, you are taking practically the same stance as I am, I just didn't give that specific example... and market value IS irrelevent when you are talking about cost-to-profit calculation. Just b/c something is VALUED at 150cpu doesn't mean it cost you 150cpu to gather it... hell, I would have 0cpu for the harvested b/c you really don't expend anything except condition on your weapons and armor if you are fighting something a little larger than a fynock. And not once did I mention in my post that I was selling buffs cheaper b/c I got the avian/herbi cheaper, I said it meant more profit [15k is the most buffs will go for on Shadowfire].

I said in my post that it was a cost-to-cost analysis, not a cost-to-value or other way around. I'm well aware it's worth more, but I'm also well aware of what it costs to get it yourself. You can't argue against the fact that getting it yourself is cheaper than buying it, and b/c of that you make alot more total profit for it. TOTAL profit... not profit over time, profit in the end.

I'm using this analysis, not b/c I look at it this way, but b/c others do before picking up doctor and thinking "oh I can make lots of money doing this" because they look at the total profit numbers while ignoring the amount of time it takes... that's why I put in the analysis of profit over time as well, but I did fail to factor in time taken to gether materials and create the packs themselves, so the profit over time is even less than I had listed.

I'm guessing you just missed those parts about how it was a cost-to-cost analysis and total profit, not value analysis and profit over time [which I also included after the cost to cost]... *shrug*

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Legende wrote:

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

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Legende wrote:

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

Wow you are way mistaken... If a value of something is based on the time you buy it or gather it yourself, could you sell me your grandfathers house for the 10,000$ he paid for it? no no no, really its no bother to me, i know its worth 150k right now, but its VALUE is based at the time he bought it right?

sheesh.....

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I seem to have misread what you said...

And what you said makes absolutely no sense, I don't get what you are trying to say?

IE: How does it relate to my analysis of total profit made based on credits spent to credits earned buffing, regardless of time spent setting up/actual buffing.

Message Edited by Legende on 10-10-2004 04:37 PM

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You Said

"Factored in costs for self gathered resources... market value is irrelavent in cost calculation when you gather it yourself:
3 CPU for machine harvested resources b/c it's cheaper than that to harvest them anyways, especially if you harvest your own radio too.
5 CPU for Herbi.
10 CPU for Avian b/c it's generally harder to get."

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U say market value is irrelevent when you gather it your self. but all ur really saying is you shoot yourself in the foot because you dont need to make what the market will pay for it.

Market Value is extreamly relevent, otherwise you could just take the raw resources and make alot more profit off of it, unless you plan on selling 300cpu avian for 10cpu, just because you harvested it yourself. If thats the case, i want you as my new personal hunter, i will give you 10cpu for all the avian you collect for me that i ask you to collect.

Market value is relevant, just because your Grandfather bought the house for 10k about 5 spawns ago, doesnt meant its only worth 10k now, you could now make 100k on it because in those last 5 spawns the value of it has gone up 1000%

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Heh, you are taking practically the same stance as I am, I just didn't give that specific example... and market value IS irrelevent when you are talking about cost-to-profit calculation. Just b/c something is VALUED at 150cpu doesn't mean it cost you 150cpu to gather it... hell, I would have 0cpu for the harvested b/c you really don't expend anything except condition on your weapons and armor if you are fighting something a little larger than a fynock. And not once did I mention in my post that I was selling buffs cheaper b/c I got the avian/herbi cheaper, I said it meant more profit [15k is the most buffs will go for on Shadowfire].

I said in my post that it was a cost-to-cost analysis, not a cost-to-value or other way around. I'm well aware it's worth more, but I'm also well aware of what it costs to get it yourself. You can't argue against the fact that getting it yourself is cheaper than buying it, and b/c of that you make alot more total profit for it. TOTAL profit... not profit over time, profit in the end.

I'm using this analysis, not b/c I look at it this way, but b/c others do before picking up doctor and thinking "oh I can make lots of money doing this" because they look at the total profit numbers while ignoring the amount of time it takes... that's why I put in the analysis of profit over time as well, but I did fail to factor in time taken to gether materials and create the packs themselves, so the profit over time is even less than I had listed.

I'm guessing you just missed those parts about how it was a cost-to-cost analysis and total profit, not value analysis and profit over time [which I also included after the cost to cost]... *shrug*

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No, i got it and read it. But honestly this.

People who harvest their own resources rarely play the buff bot game EXCEPT to spend some social time, or helping people out.

Typically people who harvest their own resources, and im talking about long time dr, over 3-5 months old either do 1 of 2 things

1-Mass produce buffs to sell to buff bots

2-Only buff for free for their guildies and friends except when someone else asks or they feel the need to go back to the golden days and spend a day buffing

Rarely do you find a hard core harvester who has HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (like me) saved up in resources just to buff bot.

I fall in to category 2, i got over my buff botting phase after about 2 months, i still sit down and open up shop if theres no one around and people need buffs, but that rarely happens nemore.

Your scheme is correct, 100% correct, the only thing lacking is that probably 90% (only an opinion) of the dr's out there who DO buff bot in the starports are under 2-3 months old and havent collected the resources needed to produce their own buffs, so you need to start looking at costs.

You say 10k per buff is good, ok, now you get, lets say 28 charges a set, and the crafting docs charge you 120k a set. average for top end buffs.

28c x 10k = 280k -120k - 160k profit for sitting there.

So for 28 charges you pocket 160k, this still isnt BAD, but its almost half of your projection in profit.

Message Edited by Jirob1 on 10-12-2004 01:36 PM

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Jirob1 wrote:

Yoshua,

"Jirob is not a normal dr, cant use his income to base the general dr population off of. Probably between him, sippura and a few d as for other crafting dr's on bria, they hold the majority of the cash ON bria lol"

I'm not that rich, it was just an intense 2 sales week, cause 900 buffsets got rare lately, do you sell me any avian ? running low fast, my 10 factories running hot, but can't keep up the current high demand... smile, admittedly I hold a lot of nice ressources, but I had more cash half a year ago...

Message Edited by Jirob1 on 10-12-2004 01:36 PM

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Jirob, u cant fool me, ive never even seen 25mil and i THINK ive seen you bid 25 mil on a hammer, granted the hammer was WORTH 25 mil, but u saying u were richer half a year ago is like saying bill gates just hit a poverty level income this year of 2 billion dollars.

You PROBABLY put just as much back into resources, but no i dont sell anyone avian, i do my best to get 10-20k of each good spawn and i support my guild, i dont charge for buffs, and i dont sell packs. even though im tempted coz i know i could offload all my resources and stock buffs for about 2 months and bring in probably 3-500 million in sales in that time. but i dont do it coz i like the way i play.

im just assuming you like the way you play, thats why you play like that. Money isnt the end game for me, collecting rare items is, so as soon as i hit 2-3 million i usually spend it all on either resources or an item ive been looking at. ill probably never see above 10-15 million just because i spend it faster than i get it.

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

ok, now that ur looking. the title was a lie.

100 people at 10k a pop r 100 x 10000 = 1million

Also. lets look at it this way 2 minutes 30 seconds/ 60 = 180 seconds x 100people =18000seconds / 60seconds = 300 minutes / 60minutes = 5 hours,

5 hours to make 1 million credits at 10k credits per buff. (i say 2.5minutes because with lag, talking to people, and people notpaying on time, its about 2.5 minutes to buff a person)

NOW lets look at the non crafting buffing drs.

ur buffing 100 people, that is about4 sets of buffs.... 4x120k (cost per set of buffs)=480kk

LOL YOUR WALKING AWAY WITH 520K PROFIT FOR 5 HOURS WORK

lol, dr's dont make crap at 10k a pop. i know, IVE TRIED IT.

Wanna make money? go kill the Jantas and orphen their babies.

Message Edited by ZeroK0ol on 10-05-2004 03:09 PM

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Don't know if anyone else has said this, but 2 min and 30 seconds is NOT 180 seconds. Its 150.

That means your 5 hour time is now just over 4 hours. As for the number of packs, its normally just over 3, unless you're running some very low charge packs.

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Cenalian wrote:

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

ok, now that ur looking. the title was a lie.

100 people at 10k a pop r 100 x 10000 = 1million

Also. lets look at it this way 2 minutes 30 seconds/ 60 = 180 seconds x 100people =18000seconds / 60seconds = 300 minutes / 60minutes = 5 hours,

5 hours to make 1 million credits at 10k credits per buff. (i say 2.5minutes because with lag, talking to people, and people notpaying on time, its about 2.5 minutes to buff a person)

NOW lets look at the non crafting buffing drs.

ur buffing 100 people, that is about4 sets of buffs.... 4x120k (cost per set of buffs)=480kk

LOL YOUR WALKING AWAY WITH 520K PROFIT FOR 5 HOURS WORK

lol, dr's dont make crap at 10k a pop. i know, IVE TRIED IT.

Wanna make money? go kill the Jantas and orphen their babies.

Message Edited by ZeroK0ol on 10-05-2004 03:09 PM

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Don't know if anyone else has said this, but 2 min and 30 seconds is NOT 180 seconds. Its 150.

That means your 5 hour time is now just over 4 hours. As for the number of packs, its normally just over 3, unless you're running some very low charge packs.

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Message Edited by Jirob1 on 10-13-2004 12:12 PM

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ScaryWookie wrote:

Your not thinking outside the box buddy! We may make that much money buffing 100 people but when you guys charge us 100k credits per unit !, I boils down to a big pain in the butt and about 500k. It would take a guy hours to get 50 people buffed! You have it all wrong. The real crooks here are you guys and it boils down to you paying out the kazzoo for getting buffed. I could go on but this is just getting me more and more P.O.ed

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LOL

I dont think he actually read the post either :0)

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Jirob1 wrote:

Yosh,

"Jirob, u cant fool me, ive never even seen 25mil and i THINK ive seen you bid 25 mil on a hammer, granted the hammer was WORTH 25 mil, but u saying u were richer half a year ago is like saying bill gates just hit a poverty level income this year of 2 billion dollars"

I was glad I got overbid on that, cause at that time I couldnt have payed it, you know it went for over 50 millions at the end? Glad I found a decent one cheaper, but hey 375-920 is still nice....hehe

my money goes mainly in High End PVP gear and ressources and Jedi stuff now. Few Premiums cost a bit....

Message Edited by Jirob1 on 10-13-2004 12:12 PM

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Bro, it doesnt matter to me what you spend your money on, im NOT critizizing you, im just saying that you have the capablities, and reputation around the server to have alot more money making effectiveness than i currently do.

Also just saying that its all based on the amount of effort you want to put into it, you put alot in, i put enough to have a good time for myself, which isnt very much.

Not lookin down on you for having the money you have, just saying you have abnormally more than the 'average' dr because you are an established dr/crafting dr on our server and most people who are dr's, know ur name on our server.

It's not my place to worry about how much money you have or what you spend it on, just saying u DO have more money than the average dr, and sheesh, no didnt see the end of that auction, i stopped watching after i saw the word 'million' and realized THAT I WASNT going to be seeing that hammer