Doctor Archive
Thread: resource requirments for new meds..for those thinking of doing BE crafting
Rehavam
Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:17 pm
#40
Marrow, as much as I respect your opinion I hope you do realize that you are in the minority on this particular topic and I hope that you will reflectour views as a majority of doctors who are outraged of this horrible requirements.
I'm a crafter -not a 24/7 resource gatherer.I have a life outside of SWG. I don't agree that limiting people by redicilous requirements is a good thing. I don't mind competition. My goal is not to have a monopoly on medication on my server - although I'mprobably set with resource kits for a while - there are others who are not. I have no desire to control the med market together with a handful of other senior docs on our server. I want to see a thriving community of crafting doctors - not an elite club of some selected few who can afford 20 accounts and spend their whole darn life in front of their computer.
This was supposed to be a Combat Upgrade - it turns out to be a Crafting Downgrade.
Message Edited by Rehavam on 04-09-2005 10:19 PM
Marrow1
Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:43 pm
#41
Rehavam wrote:
Marrow, as much as I respect your opinion I hope you do realize that you are in the minority on this particular topic and I hope that you will reflectour views as a majority of doctors who are outraged of this horrible requirements.
I'm a crafter -not a 24/7 resource gatherer.I have a life outside of SWG. I don't agree that limiting people by redicilous requirements is a good thing. I don't mind competition. My goal is not to have a monopoly on medication on my server - although I'mprobably set with resource kits for a while - there are others who are not. I have no desire to control the med market together with a handful of other senior docs on our server. I want to see a thriving community of crafting doctors - not an elite club of some selected few who can afford 20 accounts and spend their whole darn life in front of their computer.
This was supposed to be a Combat Upgrade - it turns out to be a Crafting Downgrade.
Message Edited by Rehavam on 04-09-2005 10:19 PM
Of course I will not simply voice my personal veiws.
Rather than just saying this sucks make a suggestion. Exactly what would you make the resouces become? Nothing is set in stone. When the resouces for AS were first shown they were based on OQ/UT and not OQ/SR which had been the standard. They got it changed.
If you want these resouces changed please let me know exactly how you would change them. Understand that you need to not just think as a Doc but as a CM as well as they are just as impacted.
For example, I would suggest replacing mollusks with avian. I would aslo change the subs for the doc type enhancers to use doc type subs and not CM type subs. However, we might keep the fish since BE's use them in Pet Stims.
I would not get to bent about the number of units of the resouces until we know how many charges and the duration of the Enhancer. Like wise with the number of subs. If it turns out one enhancer lasts you a month then there really would be no issue with that enhancer having 50 subs and 1k of resouces.
When ever you have an issue with some thing try to point out what the issue is and offer a specific suggestion for the fix. Give reasons why the fix is needed and why that particular fix is the best one.
Broom
Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:48 pm
#42
I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or to weep. I have been BE on one of my accounts for a year. The profession sucks. We need so many diverse animal resources, and it is so hard to get a lot of them (15 EGGS for 1 entertainer tissue, 5 needed for a +25 piece of clothing). I have not been able to craft anything BE lately, nothing good has spawned for months. I am badly in need of insect meat, wild meat, reptilian meat, eggs, high oq hides, carnivore meat and domesticated meat. Nothing. Nada. And now they add even more insane components.
Another of my accounts is a doc crafter. I just (finally) managed to get all the resources together for good buffs and meds. Looks like I can toss out 90% now. I just don't feel like it anymore. The doc is going jedi - last soloable content left - and I am cancelling the BE. He can go join my entertainer (inspiration buffs? screw that) and probably my architect. I will only be keeping my soon-jedi and my BH, and those for maybe a month. I just don't feel like playing anymore.
Linna / Enka
NomakkVincron
Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:05 pm
#43
Im not even a DOC/BE but looking at that list makes me want to cry for anyone that plans on keeping a store stocked.
Nimhnoid
Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:19 pm
#44
BS folks absolute BS.
Who ever is in charge of this needs to do something now and fast. The CU had really started pushing players away from most classes and now this.
100% BS!
Tank256
Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:20 pm
#45
I've spent 100's of millions on resources to continue to stock my vendor with 900+ buffs for a LONG LONG time! I hope that current doctors are compensated some how. I've been a doc since I started to play and now I actually have to say that I wish I never was a doc, simply because SOE is probably gonna give it to me in the bum with the new crafting and none of the old resources will be useful. Kinda dumb how the older players are being kicked around so that they can "equalize" the system!?! I think more consideration should be taken for those doctors who have kept their vendors stocked. It's not simply the fact that you are"changing" doc, it's the fact that I have pretty much wasted all this time and credits collecting resourcethat will never be used. Anyways, I hope something good turns out of this...we will see soon enough I guess...
anruth
Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:37 pm
#47
I am not even a crafter and I hate this crap! WTH!!!!!!!!! I mean it is going to cost 1000000000000k just to get something and you get rid of SOLO GROUPS! you nerf that ... you nerf this... you nerf SWG in everything and help out nothing!
Why is it that it is so picky to find things! SOE you do understand that NOT everyone likes to pvp. I am a huge promoter of pvp but you know what... that isn't how everyone in ths game is like. They find it fun to try and out compete ppl for the best stuff! When you make it this much of a pain in the @ss to find the stuff why would they even bother! Are you guys TRYING to make ppl leave?! Do you have bets on how many ppl will leave this week and how many the next! There are a lot of us that have been playing a long time and to see some morons RUIN the game a lot of us have TONS of time into makes me sick!
I may be over reacting but till I see some PROOF that they even remotely KNOW what they are doing... they can all kiss my @ss!
Have fun when this comes out... I hope you have jobs left!
Inkanissen
Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:15 pm
#48
Ok, late April Fools.
Now where is the real list? I assume they don't want a list like this one to go to live, I can just hear the clicks that cancel 50% of the doc accounts...
Now where is the real list? I assume they don't want a list like this one to go to live, I can just hear the clicks that cancel 50% of the doc accounts...
Rehavam
Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:39 pm
#49
Marrow1 wrote:
Rather than just saying this sucks make a suggestion. Exactly what would you make the resouces become? Nothing is set in stone. When the resouces for AS were first shown they were based on OQ/UT and not OQ/SR which had been the standard. They got it changed.
Well, in my first post I had to vent. Consideringallthe hits we have to take I think it was neccessary...In my follow-ups I explained why it sucks - I didn't simply said it sucks. However, you have a very good point here and once I've calmed down I'll be happy to work on an alternative suggestion together with CM's and pre-cu BE's (well technicly I'm a pre-cu BE as well since I matered it 3 days ago :-).
I'd suggest starting a new thread for alternative suggestions and a calm discussion and leave this thread for us the vent and declare our disgust :-). Perhaps you could start one so it has your shiny blue name stamp on it to make it somehow semi-official?
toothlessviper
Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:50 pm
#50
You know... i master doctor. mastered BE, thought i did my time figuring out the crafting, gathering resources, and testing, found out how ca's helped, then i made my first buffs! i ran right out and started buffing . People loved them ( made me happy ) made more did same thing, sold a few sets. ( thought wow good enough to sell! ) took me 6 months of work to get to this points.
got a hall had some extra cash, had people i never knew before help me with resources ( thanks val'darak and many others ) to keep me rolling since they where selling faster than i could make them. the shop got bigger and my time was almost totally used to make sure i had stock. Didnt want to be one of those shops that didnt keep up. got the shop to the point that i finallly had enough resources to do the job. over a years work. sad to see it all come to this.
I dont mind new things, i was hoping for some new items to craft in the cu. but when i read what the alpha testers said and seen what the cu was going to be i was just sick. So i started flaming the CU and got flamed back. wanted to keep out of it for i dont think it will matter. What some have to understand the doc I made and worked for (instead of a jedi ) is gone. they have changed the game. the meds i made and resources i gathered payed for and looked on with pride, are being down graded. many other feel the same way.
so please understand looking at this cu as anything but a total betrayal of soe to the people who stayed, played and found ways to make it fun, was a big slap in the face.
the old system could have been fixed. hereare a few ideas i seen lower the buffs, lower armor, fix some of the ca's so they work. rework some of the weapons damage to be more even. add some craftable items. add some loot. give us more things like DWB but make it so when you go in with a group you have it to yourself for like 30 minutes. any and all of the stuff i just listed would have made the swg gamers here alot more happy than what was done... peace tooth.
Message Edited by toothlessviper on 04-09-2005 03:53 PM
Dorelli
Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:10 pm
#51
As a master BE I have 2 things to say (sorry i didn't read all the posts):
1. I don't hate doctors.
2. Milk cannot be gotten without maskscent. If it breaks the animals gets spooked and runs away. If you get more than 4m away you are too far away to milk. If you stand there milking with the animal 3 m away from you and lying down not moving, it reports that the animal has moved too far away to milk and you have to start again. If you are milking, the animal commonly warps away 90 m and you have to start again. Or goes up in the air 5m and you have to wait for it to come down and start again. It takes longer to milk something than it takes to kill it (seriously), and you have to hope that nothing attacks either you or it in the meantime. There is no /milk command - you have to radial dial it.
Chefs and BE's use milk in other things. It is used to make tailor's wild/vicious animal taming tissues for CH's. It is used for various other chef things (I am not a chef so I cannot recall all of them).
3. Fish. I have spent an entire day fishing. We use fish in petstim D's which require 66% OQ and 33% PE for stats. In a day, I think i caught maybe 400 MAX units of fish. And an old boot (I'm not kidding). One thing GOOD about fishing is that if you have children that are about the age of 8 (I do), they can become fantastic fishermen as they find the whole 'waiting for the catch to be reeled in' that takes about a minute to be exciting and are genuinely spurred on to try again when it gets away (as it often does) rather than quit in disgust. Again it is not an activity you can do afk, as you need to be sitting ready to respond as soon as a nibble, bite, caught something occurs. You cannot even craft and chatting is a little difficult if you want to keep going full steam as you cannot respond to the fishing cues AND chat at the same time. Or get up and go for a pee for that matter.
4. Mollusks and Crustaceans. With the rate of harvesting of these upped, you can rake in about 1000 units an hour. However they do not auto-stack in your pad. You have to satnd in the water, macro the tool to harvest every 8 seconds, then come along every 5 minutes and amalgamate everything into one stack or else you will not be able to harvest anymore.
Therefore, if this list of ingredients stays, I believe something must be done about the milking issues, the amount of fish when you filet one, and the autostacking of the shellfish. I don't know how one goes about fixing these sorts of things so i post this merely to draw your attention to these problems and hope that someone can get them addressed.
Yours and good luck to you all,
Dorelli Deacon - master BE - Bloodfin
Marrow1
Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:10 pm
#52
Rehavam wrote:
Well, in my first post I had to vent. Consideringallthe hits we have to take I think it was neccessary...In my follow-ups I explained why it sucks - I didn't simply said it sucks. However, you have a very good point here and once I've calmed down I'll be happy to work on an alternative suggestion together with CM's and pre-cu BE's (well technicly I'm a pre-cu BE as well since I matered it 3 days ago :-).
I'd suggest starting a new thread for alternative suggestions and a calm discussion and leave this thread for us the vent and declare our disgust :-). Perhaps you could start one so it has your shiny blue name stamp on it to make it somehow semi-official?
I am all for this thread being used to go over the impacts of these resouces. Believe me I know the difference between venting, whining, and challenge.
It is all healthy as long as folks acknowledge what they are doing, as you have done.
I have already made a post in the Alpha forums listing our concerns. I will add suggestions as I see them posted here.