Doctor Archive
Thread: greedy docs....
RandalFarsen
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:26 am
#41
Visnja wrote:
I posted a message in another thread in regards to the going price for the current avian meat. People arecharging anywhere from 200cpu to 300cpu!One guy is selling some avian at over 300k because he has seen it going for 1000cpu AND he's only trying to get rid of 333 units.
For a full pack of buffs (schematicfor 1000), that's 116000 units of avain meat needed. That means it's going to cost me 23200000 to 34800000 credits just for avain meat!!
LMAO!! I haven't even made that buffing the public in the 4 months that I've been a doctor. Which means, there is no way I'm going to be able to afford to buy my own avain meat. If I run rancor, janta or mokk missions at 30ka pop, I may not even be able to get my hands on any by the time I do have the credits. But ... if and when I do .. there is NO WAY I'm charging 10k for a buff.
I agree! Hunter are selling their meat for 150-250+ CPU!! I think thats ridiculous.. but you know whats even MORE unbelievable!.. there are people that actually pay that amount! If we want to get the prices lower, then start paying less... yes its a great resource but in those prices its not a surprise that someone is selling them for 15k a buff! I made my own packs with that Avian Meat... but only paid 7CPU! I had a guy offer me some Naboo Avian Meat before the Talusian one came live... he wanted to charge me 150CPU! I was like, no... not going to happen. I actually told him "No that is too much CPU." You know he had the audacity to say "Wow, i have buyers that will pay that gladly."? ... I was left speechless and pretty much mad! I just told him "Good, then sell it to them, then." I will never pay 150CPU, I would prefer to make my own buffs (which by the way with Avian was able to get 850 considering its my first attempt at buff making) and charge people 10k than to pay 150CPU and have to charge them 12-13k for the same buff.
Now my question to you is: What are we as doctors going to about it? Simply put, set a standard price or at least a maximum price any doc would pay. By limiting the CPU a doc will pay we will have a better chance of setting the prices fair.
Opinions?
RandalFarsen
Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:38 am
#42
tevans6220 wrote:
I just recently became a Master Doctor and I plan on buffing for free. I became a Doctor to help people. Not to make a whole lot of money. I make my money doing other things. I just don't understand the problem here. If resource prices are too high then don't buy them. Prices will come down. Even docs who buy at high prices can't be online and buff forever. So there will be a time when not many docs are buffing. Boycott by not buying expensive resources.
I've also read where some docs justify higher prices because of the earning potential of their buff. I don't understand this either. So what if somebody can make $500k with a buff? That's does'nt justify price gouging. It's none of our business what they do with our buffs. If somebody can make $500k on one of my buffs, more power to them. Should the weaponsmith charge higher prices because of the earning potential of his weapons? Ford does'nt charge me extra for my car because of it's earning potential. Set a fair price and stick to it. If resource prices are too high stop buffing until they come down to a reasonable level. People depend too much on buffs which means that docs hold all the cards. High priced resources equal no buffs. It can't be any simpler than that.
Etack
Master Doctor, Ahazi
Well you are very right in every respect, just one question though. If you dont charge, how do you intend to profit? Just like in real life, there are doctors that in the business for profit... and they intend to make the most money in the least time. You apprently arent one of them. But with no profit, how do you intend to make or buy more buffs? You need to get the resources, ok, maybe you can do that. But how about maintenance for your home? How about the taxes in your city? Or maybe, how about a new set of tools? All this has to factor into your decision.
I try to always set a base price for my profit, as in try to keep the cost to the buyer as low as possible. Normaly I charge 10k, when I disovered Bivoli I went to 11k, but that was after I calculated the amount of Buffs I can do per shot of Bivoli, and add variables as in if people actualy show up during that time. I calculated around 800 credits more per buff and I will still be in my base profit.
So good for you and setting your standards on free buffs! But consider the ramifications of the task at hand... if you charge for free? When will you be able to actualy buff?
apocc
Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:35 pm
#43
lol...try and tell us we're greedy...the other day i forgot i had my master doc title on and everytime i took the shuttle to somewhere else i got at least 3 tells asking for buffs, i don't know if you realize this...but its extremely annoying trying to pvp, do your own missions, get your BF healed or whatever with people constantly asking you if you can buff them. people should be able to wear the master doc title without getting hassled for buffs, but since they do..let them charge whatever they want because its taking their time when they could be doing something else, more fun for them with their time instead of buffing you for 10k and letting you go out and do all the missions...beleive it or not, some docs mastered this profession for pvp purposes...like..healing, curing poison an disease, not to "be greedy" and buff 50k for line cuts
Farcaster007
Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:37 pm
#44
Yes, like Tevens, I was once young and idealistic. Or young and stupid, however you look at it.
I would offer you some free advice, though, Tevens: If you plan on buffing the masses for free... say goodbye to enjoying the game. I will guarantee two things if you do this, that every Doc that sees you do this in a lineup will curse you, have you bannedfrom their cities and vendors, and write nasty diatribes against you on these boards. Also, those happy recipients of your largess? They'll be driving you insane in less than a week. I know what /tell-hell is, you apparently do not.
By the end of the 1st month, if you're STILL a Doc, I doubt that you'll be wearing the tag, be giving them away for free or be as idealistic as I was when I was a new Doc.
In the meantime, start looking for a good therapist.
Ekatha Jes, MD.
Sondlen
Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:42 pm
#45
I don't advertise 50k buffs but I'll put it in an afk message so if people REALLY want me that bad they can. This tends to remove a lot of the flaming.
Zon-
Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:47 pm
#46
I've been a doctor since the start and personally in my opinion buffs are worth about 20k thats just me it may differ by server, but if you think about it you can do two missions that pay 36k in under 45 mins on dant.
Honnestly when you buy doctor buffs you're not really paying for the buff, but more for the time that doctor spent on getting the resources.
Telius
Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:34 pm
#47
I charge 18k for buffs.
You don'twant to pay 18k? Then I won't be buffing you. I don't like to buff the public because I find it incredibly boring. The only reason I carry packs is to buff myself and my friends. I do not make enough money sitting around and buffing to compensate for the tremendous boredom it causes me. Therefore, if you want me to buff you, you're going to have to really want it. It has to be important. None of this fly-by "Oh look, a Master Doctor, here's 10k buff me plz!"
I used to buff for 10k. Every time I did, a line would form and I'd be stuck there buffing. Greedy? I don't care about money, as long as I have enough to get by (I do). I'm just trying to keep my sanity by keeping the numbers down and making sure people really need the buffs they're asking for.
rjbacigalupo
Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:09 pm
#48
Ocain wrote:
used to be a doc myself "before it was cool"
u guys are gettin out of hand with the 50k bufs though
dont get greedy please, you already make enough as is, no need to rob people
make hundreds of thousands in an hour as it was with 10k buffs
with 50k buffs.....it aint right
thats insane
thx and please dont flame, merely expressing an opinion not trolling
Shut the #%^$(^^*(^*&^)*&^@)*#^&*^#*&@^#@&^(*&@^#(*@^#&@^#&*@$_&!~ UP NOW!!!
This post deserves to be deleted or forwarded to all players for Ocain's humiliation, doctors are not greedy, I am not one yet, I am trying to become one, but because of the prices it costs to become a successfull doctor, I have yet to become a successfull doctor. I am still saving up that 20 million trying to buy some experimentation tapes, not to mention 8CPU for most resources except meat which will only be sold on lowca for a $@#$@ 200CPU!!! I have harvested some myself, but it is nothing. I also have to spend litterally millions on various harvesters if I want to collect the resources myself as well as pick up artisan to survey and find them on my own time and checking various sites such as swgcraft.com so don't give me this bs about 10k is the max for buffs, if anyone buffs for under 15k I start offering them for free unless the other doctor agrees to charging more, usually I only have to give away 2 free sets before the other doctor see's the light.
Sondlen
Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:14 pm
#49
^^^ I like that idea lot. I already have a lot of doctors upping prices to around 20k a buff now. In fact I've had times where a few of us would be up there buffing for 20k. When someone comes in and charges their 8k, I'll pack up and leave and go do something fun.. Sometimes I'll still have a line, just shorter but still consistent.
Nisdain
Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:12 pm
#50
Greed would be complaining about the price of buffs. Docs are providing a service to you and they charge whatever they bloody well please. I would never ever buy a buff at 50k, however obviously someone will. And its not like it takes more then 10 minutes to make that amount of cash back. Think about it.. it takes no effort or investment to go run Janta missions other then the grinding out skills and buying a half decent weapon. If your a ranged combatant you can take out a lair and all the npcs there with a good weapon before they get to you. Doctors have to sit around doing mindless dribble to make their cash and I truely dont envy them (I can make cash much easier then they can, while doing something I like). Making your own buffs is a very long a tedious process or very expensive one. For those that buy the buffs and use them to make cash that cost gets transfered to them. Its a free economy, you dont need to buy those buffs that you consider overpriced. I've seen pretty crappy DXR-6bs go for 200k a pop!And theytakea lot less effort to make then doc buffs do. Oddly enough they sell too with fairly no problem.Would I ever buy one at that price for that type of stats? Hell no.. thats my right to, just as much as its the guys right to charge 200k. You can go elsewhere to buy buffs or pick up doctor and buff yourself.. just like I can go elsewhere to shop or pick up the parts and have a friend make me the weapon for free.
VTmoon
Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:05 pm
#51
Ocain wrote:
used to be a doc myself "before it was cool"
u guys are gettin out of hand with the 50k bufs though
dont get greedy please, you already make enough as is, no need to rob people
make hundreds of thousands in an hour as it was with 10k buffs
with 50k buffs.....it aint right
thats insane
thx and please dont flame, merely expressing an opinion not trolling
do you realize you don't have to buy them??? unless those doctors have figured a way to force u to buy the buffs I don't know why you are even posting it. You guys need to realize the basics of economics, as a capitolistic (sp) society we have to charge based on the market.
If the doctor was charging 50k and no one was buying from him, then bam their is your solution, supply and demand, but if you needed the buffs you will buy them. everyone is riding the doctors to death (rangers, chefs) so this has to translate to you ( the buff buyer) and trust me sitting there bugging people is no way of having fun, I can buff myself and make 33k a mission which takes me 10 minutres tops, and the b est part the janta/mokk don't bitsh about my buffing prices.
So next time you are about to post something as stupid as this, think about it. You could've simplely not bought buffs from him.
people like you are the main reason a lot of us docs stopped buffing the public.
Visnja
Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:29 pm
#52
VTmoon wrote:
Ocain wrote:
used to be a doc myself "before it was cool"
u guys are gettin out of hand with the 50k bufs though
dont get greedy please, you already make enough as is, no need to rob people
make hundreds of thousands in an hour as it was with 10k buffs
with 50k buffs.....it aint right
thats insane
thx and please dont flame, merely expressing an opinion not trolling
do you realize you don't have to buy them??? unless those doctors have figured a way to force u to buy the buffs I don't know why you are even posting it. You guys need to realize the basics of economics, as a capitolistic (sp) society we have to charge based on the market.
If the doctor was charging 50k and no one was buying from him, then bam their is your solution, supply and demand, but if you needed the buffs you will buy them. everyone is riding the doctors to death (rangers, chefs) so this has to translate to you ( the buff buyer) and trust me sitting there bugging people is no way of having fun, I can buff myself and make 33k a mission which takes me 10 minutres tops, and the b est part the janta/mokk don't bitsh about my buffing prices.
So next time you are about to post something as stupid as this, think about it. You could've simplely not bought buffs from him.
people like you are the main reason a lot of us docs stopped buffing the public.
YEAH!!! What he said!!