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CricketsChirping

Thu May 13, 2004 6:48 am

I do not agree with the idea of a buff bot, and I will tell you why. There are several reasons for this, namely the idea of a online mass multiplayer game is player interaction. IE. Working with other players to achieve your needs, desires and goals. Frankly I don't care for the harv bot either, it takes away from the scout profession just as a buff bot would take away from Doctors or even Chefs. Having bots that can do the important skills of any profession is just wrong in my opinion. The idea here is to work with other players, not find ways to cut interaction out. Did we really come to SWG to sit in our own little bubble, not talking or dealing with others, to do our own thing and never have to speak to another individual for anything? Or did we come here to meet and play with other people, have fun interacting with different types of races and professionals? If we wanted to sit in our own bubble and not deal with others then we wouldn't be on a mass multiplayer system. Player interaction is very key, I believe. I believe there is truly no profession that is totally self sufficient or really shouldn't be. You should have to work with others to get the things you want, need or desire. Armorsmiths must work with tailors and scouts, chefs need bioengineers and scouts, doctors need scouts and architects, the list goes on and on. People need other people to excell in the game. That's the idea. I think taking those aspects away and putting them into a bot is wrong and places too much into a non-interactive medium.

Now, I've seen arguements for the doctor is never around or doesn't heal wounds, or charges too much, ect. I can't speak for EVERY doctor in SWG, everyone does things differently, but I know that I, myself, have stopped for someone who telled me while I driving out in the middle of nowhere for a buff. I have stopped for people who ask for buffs while waiting on the shuttle, walking down the street, shopping at the bazaar, checking out some new player city vendor mall ... the list goes on. I stop, I get out my droid and give them a buff. I stop for people needing disease cures, poison cures, wound heals. I have been stopped while talking to friends in the city, without my MD tag even up, by regular customers who know meand have stopped and given them a buff. I stop because I chose to be a doctor and all that entails, and that to me is stopping for people when they need me. Yes, sometimes it can be a little frustrating, especially when I'm in the middle of something, but if I'm doing something else people are usually very considerate and will wait until I'm finished.I have taken poision/disease/wound cases while buffing. I have them get in line like everyone else and take care of them when they get to me. I don't charge them for this service, if they want to tip, I appreciate it. I even train folks while buffing. I have been tired and ready to quit for the night and have stopped for that one last guy who didn't catch me before I started heading to the Med center to log. And yes, I know, this isn't for everyone, but this is the way I do things. I try to do my best for my customers, and I have built great relationships with many of my customers in this fashion.

Now I realize that there are times when there are simply no doctors that are out buffing, there are times when I'm not out buffing either. I would suggest instead building relationships with your servers doctors. I can't imagine I'm the ONLY doctor anywhere that would stop for somone in need. Build relationships, talk to your doctors. Put them on your friends list. Someone may not be sitting at the starport buffing, but may be willing to do a buff for you just the same.When all else fails you can always fall back on chef and smuggler enhancements. There are many foods and spices out there that will enhance your stats for a limited time and can be used in place of doctor buffs. I believe that this is the best recourse to no doctors buffing, as it validates those professions as good alternative enhancement resources, not another droid. A buff droid would simply make those professions obsolete as far as alternative enhancement resources. Not very fair to them now is it? While doctor buffs will probably always be the main theme in enhancements, there are alternatives. They are already out there, you just have to use them.

Sorry for the length of this response, but I wanted to cover most of what was discussed.

Thank you all for your time.

Lyssa

Level 89 Crazy Person

You can nerf my armor, add in 46 new resources, and 12 new steps ... it only makes me stronger. This is how I level.

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Slayer420

Thu May 13, 2004 7:07 am

#41

Great post synn! I agree with everything you said there, and I find myself playing the role of doctor in a very similar fashion to you. It can get tiring at times to constantly be stopped and asked about giving a buff, but I will do it 90% of the time for someone that asks.

When I posted earlier I mentioned that the idea of a buff bot wasn't too bad if they limited it to lowlevel buffs. Well I must retract that statement. As some of you have mentioned, it would severely hurt the chefs and smugglers, not to mention BEs making food additives. I hadn't stopped to think about those ramifications, and with that in mind, I don't think a buffbot would be a good idea.

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MyT_Chicken

Thu May 13, 2004 7:11 am

#42

/nod well said.

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bratna

Thu May 13, 2004 9:41 am

#43

Eurynome wrote:

Well Slayer420 mentioned this already, but should the buff droids be implemented, what would happen to the income of the docs who can't craft uber buffpacks? I know I don't have good enough resources to craft great buffpacks and it takes a very long time to collect them.Lesser packs just won't sell.It would kill me financially, since Doctor is the profession I depend on for income

I dont like the idea of the buff bot. But if it were to be put in the price of packs for them would be very high. I can make about 200k to 300k on a set of buffs. I would sell the pack for at least this much in sets.

GKeeper316

Thu May 13, 2004 10:03 am

#44

ok. the docs dont like the idea. i still believe its wrong to put the most sought after commodity in the game into the hands of a few players. there isn't any competition going on. that is the driving force behind free enterprise. everyone charges the same for the same buffs. nobody is trying to put the other guy out of business by selling the same service cheaper. this is called price fixing, and its a federal crime in the united states and most everywhere else. granted this is just a game, but with the "player based economy" the devs tried to build into the game, its easy to do this sort of thing.

and never once did i flame the docs. i like the docs and i appreciate the help i get from them. i'd have been dead as fried chicken last night had a doc (thank you, lily yer the coolest) not dropped what she was doing to come rez and re-buff me while i was farming black suns on yavin, for a price, of course. but well worth it. helped a friend get his first piece of bh armor. thats why i play the game.the idea was for those instances when you just plain can't find a doc.

Rogha Dainar, Esq.

Master Bounty Hunter

p.s. to all those who flamed me personally for my idea: suck my **edit**. it was just an idea. attacking the person instead of the idea is the first clue as to your emotional maturity, or lack thereof.

Telos Radd
Honor is a gift a man gives himself.

Cailid010

Thu May 13, 2004 10:05 am

#45

GKeeper316 wrote:

DarthXanthic wrote:

One word for you: profession interdependence.

what the **edit** does that mean? im not trying to take anything away from the docs, dumbass! im trying to make a valuable commodity more available. all you have done is flame the concept without offering anything constructive. the docs would still craft and sell the buffs for whatever the hell they wanted. if the rest of us had some way of using the buffs without the hassle of tracking down a doc, it will save evryone a bunch of time. you still make money. we are still dependent upon the docs to provide the pack, for a price, and we can use them whenever we need them.

dont ever try to tell me about profession interdependence, numbnuts. im a bounty hunter. im dependent upon a whole bunch of people and nobody is dependent on me. i offerhardly anythinguseful in this game to another player, while at the same time needing droids, weapons, armor, BUFFS from all the crafters. all i can do is hunt animals for resources and sell them. thats it. thats all i can do for anyone else. there is no way i could do it full time. just doesn't pay enough.

Rogha Dainar, Esq.

Master Bounty Hunter

Ever since the game was released bounty hunters have been asking for skills from just about every other profession to begiven to them. Any skill they thought might be remotely useful to them the BH's would demand that it be given to them.

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GKeeper316

Thu May 13, 2004 10:14 am

#46

bratna wrote:

I dont like the idea of the buff bot. But if it were to be put in the price of packs for them would be very high. I can make about 200k to 300k on a set of buffs. I would sell the pack for at least this much in sets.

ding ding ding ding ding! this was my point in the first damn place. INFLATE THE PRICE OF THE PACK TO OFFSET THE HIT YOU TAKE NO LONGER PROVIDING THE SERVICE. i guess nobody else understands the concept.

anyways. you guys just flamed me to death for proposing and idea. some of you put up constructive arguements, which i appreciate. that was why i posted it. to get doc feedback. telling me i'm assinine (a gross misuse of the word by the way, darth. people can't be assinine) or stupid or retarded does nothing for the greater good of the community. this is where we go to discuss game issues. not attack the people who play the game.

i consider the matter closed. docs dont like it and yes it would take something away from your profession. but dammit, 4-5 guys sitting around charging the same price for the same service is wrong.

Rogha Dainar, Esq.

Master Bounty Hunter

Telos Radd
Honor is a gift a man gives himself.

GKeeper316

Thu May 13, 2004 10:21 am

#47

Cailid010 wrote:

Ever since the game was released bounty hunters have been asking for skills from just about every other profession to begiven to them. Any skill they thought might be remotely useful to them the BH's would demand that it be given to them.

and ever since the game was released the bounty hunters have become more and more gimped due to the incessant whining of the other combat classes. i'm a tkm i spent less than half the points to master my profession than a bounty hunter but i should be able to kick a bounty hunters ass from 20m away. sound familiar? look at how **edit**ing useless scout is to anyone these days and tell me bh aint gimped.

this wasn't just a bh idea. it was for all players everywhere.

bah! to hell with it.

Telos Radd
Honor is a gift a man gives himself.

Obata

Thu May 13, 2004 10:32 am

#48

The biggest problem I have with your idea is that it comes very close to turning doctor into a pure crafting profession. Not all doctors even know how to make good buffs because they prefer to buy packs instead. Your idea would force all doctors to be craters if they are to make money as docs. Doctor is not a true crafting profession, it does not require artisan, and only 1 line of it uses crafting XP. Buffing is a doctor's most used skill, giving it to the entire player base would be very wrong.

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DarthXanthic

Thu May 13, 2004 10:43 am

#49

GKeeper316 wrote:

bratna wrote:

I dont like the idea of the buff bot. But if it were to be put in the price of packs for them would be very high. I can make about 200k to 300k on a set of buffs. I would sell the pack for at least this much in sets.

ding ding ding ding ding! this was my point in the first damn place. INFLATE THE PRICE OF THE PACK TO OFFSET THE HIT YOU TAKE NO LONGER PROVIDING THE SERVICE. i guess nobody else understands the concept.

anyways. you guys just flamed me to death for proposing and idea. some of you put up constructive arguements, which i appreciate. that was why i posted it. to get doc feedback. telling me i'm assinine (a gross misuse of the word by the way, darth. people can't be assinine) or stupid or retarded does nothing for the greater good of the community. this is where we go to discuss game issues. not attack the people who play the game.

i consider the matter closed. docs dont like it and yes it would take something away from your profession. but dammit, 4-5 guys sitting around charging the same price for the same service is wrong.

Rogha Dainar, Esq.

Master Bounty Hunter

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=asinine

Trust me, both you and this idea, were very much asinine.

Marrow1

Thu May 13, 2004 11:22 am

#50

Wow, Darth, you just made me spit my coke out all over my cube. Thanks for the laugh .

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Marrow1

Thu May 13, 2004 11:24 am

#51

BTW I would never call someone that on the forums but god you got me off gard.

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BrJLa

Thu May 13, 2004 11:45 am

#52

Poor guy. He seemed to be trying to be reasonable about it. I think he at least deserves credit for keeping his composure in the face of all the flaming he received. Didn't get into name-calling. Didn't nitpick. His idea never stood a chance here, but at least he kept it clean.

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