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Thread: an idea on buff packs-- devs, plz read
BrJLa wrote:
Poor guy. He seemed to be trying to be reasonable about it. I think he at least deserves credit for keeping his composure in the face of all the flaming he received. Didn't get into name-calling. Didn't nitpick. His idea never stood a chance here, but at least he kept it clean.
What you need to do is advertise that it is worth a docs while to buff folks in high traffic areas on advanced planets.
As a Doctor and a serious combat professional, I wish I could find entertainer buffs with HALF the ease you find doctor buffs (sarcasm on the EASE part). I can hardly find a good mind stat buff to save my life.. wait, they DO save my life when I find them.
Sorry for the digression. I understand your issue, but I think you need to realize that most doctors are actually busy being either merchants or getting into combat themselves. Most doctors do not buff in starports for money. Frankly, its a pain in the butt and tends to invite abuse from the customers. I only do it when I am REALLY desparate for cash these days. Now, if we had something like an ID tent /wink.
Look Docs let this thread die. The guy has no clue about what is best for the game and only cares about his own abilities to solo everything and be completely independent. This is the type of game that must have dependence on other players or everyone is a combat class/crafter/whatever and its rather boring.
Either way this guys arguements are flawed and just plain stupid. Let the thread die and his horrible dumb idea with it. No Dev would do this anyways because it would ruin a class that already has little to do besides buff players.
Jave Rel
Ps. BH is not hard to attain you just seem to want people to give you props for doing it. Well tough luck because if you have only mastered BH then you have no idea what it is like to grind out for Jedi or even do a crafting class. Nothing is more boring than endless crafting to get master so you can actually make stuff that is fun. BH wow who cares been there done that and it only took me a week.
You apparently havent asked any doctors why the cost went up.
Herb meat, latest shift on Radiant, goin rate = 60cpu.
Avian meat, last shift, going rate on Radiant = 100cpu.
the list gets longer, but these are the two worst costs.
Our resources regularly cost close to or over 5k for a single buff. If I sit on a planet with low traffic, cuz everyone just came from Coronet or Theed already buffed, I burn 1k worth of Bivoli in ONE DOSE, and maybe get one or two buffs out of it. If you want me to buff you when there are no other customers, my profit just dropped by 1k for that reason alone. Just in resource cost alone, not counting warehouse, factory, building, or travel costs can be in the 3k - 4k range for my really good buff packs. In order to cover all of my overhead just to break even, my buffs need to cost at least in the 7k range, sometimes higher. To actually make PROFIT (totally different than maintainnig cash flow) they have to be in the 9k-12k range on a retail level for me to sit soemwhere buffing people. 5k buffs are a pipe dream and historical fantasy. I charge guildmates 6k, and usually break even on average. I make FAR mor money running missions and selling loot than I do buffing people.
Also, keep in mind the attitude we are constantly confronted with. Someone already posted about the economics on how much you can make on a 3 hour set of buffs. even at half his/her estimate, you can pull in 100k+ on a set of 10k buffs. If you do an NS or Corvette raid, you could pull down millions in loot. for 10k.
In return, we get called, greedy, overpriced, lazy, and a whole host of other things. So, why should I, as a doctor, cater to your needs when we get called greedy, told our prices are inflated (even when they barely cover our costs), and that we should have the ability to provide you are service removed just because you don't feel like dealing with us? When I need meat, I have to pay BIG prices and be really nice to get combat characters to hunt it down for me. Yet, do I ask that I be allowed to have a droid that will do all that for me so I can replace the hunters? No.
If you want to hunt while buffed, buy a buff service from a doctor. If you dont want to buy a buffing service from a doctor, hunt unbuffed. Remember, our combat droids are not that effective, and it sure can NOT be equipped with the weapons you can use because of your class. Therefore, its a fair trade.
GKeeper316 wrote:
by the way, your arguement has nothing to do with economics. i would first learn what economics is before shooting your mouth off.
I can't resist this one:
SWG Economics 101 ( Class is now in session)
Roll Call: GKeeper316 *this ones for you
Currently buffs can range anywhere from 8k to 15k on Shadowfire, that's for a full line of buffs, all 2300 points for 3.5 hours or there abouts.
Ok.. so.. most buff packs have 20 uses to them we'll say..
Health, Action and their substats, power = 900
20 x 8,000 = 160, 000 credits. That's for all 6 buffs applied to you at a Starport, by a Master Doctor, using Bivoli and with stat enhancing clothing on as well.
Health and Action with Substats all buffed for 2400 points, due to increases in doctors abilities by Bivoli and clothing for 3.5 hours
Let's take your concept into motion now..
Droid, 110 medical rating
Can not take Bivoli, can not wear stat enhancing clothing either
Same buff packs. Power = 900
Droid Buffs your Health, Action and all substats 1800 for 3.5 hours
Taking this into consideration you are already down 33.3% of your cost per buff due to the fact your droid CAN NOT buff you at the same rate a Doctor with assistance through clothing and food can.
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Phase 2: Cost of Buff
Doctors buffing you: 8-15k per buff session
Buff Packs purchased from a vendor: These will now range anywhere from 200k to 500k PER PACK, guarenteed. That's 1.2 to 1.5 million per full session. An increase to you of over 10,000 percent. WOW.
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So.. According to the mathematics of all of this, you are willing to pay 10,000 percent more per buff, and reduce your buff effectiveness by 33.3%. Seems to me that your failing your classes in Economics.
So.. if you really want this, I think that all docotors should go for it now.. You can make more money now, in less time, and it'll make this ONE person happy, and broke, at the same time.. hehe..
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SWG Economics 101 Class closed.
ok, docs. let it go. you win.
i humbly admit defeat.
darth: you're just a jerk. you offer nothing constructive. all you can do is ridicule other's ideas because you have probably never had an original idea in your life and lack the ability for abstract thought. now go make sure mommy paid your monthly subscription fee and kindly **edit** off.
he is the only person i resorted to name calling because he's an idiot. almost every other response to this thread shot it down and gave a reason for doing so. i appreciate that. again, thats why i posted it. it was just an idea i had and wanted to get doc input as to whether or not it could work. apparently, it won't.
Rogha Dainar, Esq.
Master Bounty Hunter
p.s. i had no idea buff d packs were such a pain in the ass to make. any docs on bria (besides darth) hit me up sometime. i'll get you all the herb/avian meat you can handle for cheap 
Rogha Dainar, Esq.
Master Bounty Hunter
GKeeper316 wrote:
p.s. i had no idea buff d packs were such a pain in the ass to make. any docs on bria (besides darth) hit me up sometime. i'll get you all the herb/avian meat you can handle for cheap
Rogha Dainar, Esq.
Master Bounty Hunter
1. I'm 27 and pay for this game myself.
2. Your opinion matters almost as much to me as fish turds.
3. Take your meat, I have more than enough credits to buy my own. Wait, I'm TKM and scout, I'll just hunt it
It isn't MY fault you came up with probably one of the WORST ideas in SWG history, and then proceeded to insult/ridicule people for "failing economics" and not seeing how this idea "benefits" doctors.
Go hunt a jedi or something.
GKeeper316 wrote:
bratna wrote:
I dont like the idea of the buff bot. But if it were to be put in the price of packs for them would be very high. I can make about 200k to 300k on a set of buffs. I would sell the pack for at least this much in sets.
ding ding ding ding ding! this was my point in the first damn place. INFLATE THE PRICE OF THE PACK TO OFFSET THE HIT YOU TAKE NO LONGER PROVIDING THE SERVICE. i guess nobody else understands the concept.
Rogha Dainar, Esq.
Master Bounty Hunter
No one understands it because its not about money...its about a SERVICE that doctors take seriously. 99% of doctors become doctors because they wanted to buff. The other 1% became doctors because its what they wanted to do from the start. While my numbers may be off, I can almost assure you that I'm pretty darn close. Being a doctor isn't only about buffs....it actually takes skill to play a doctor in this game while you hunt. The main problem with your idea is that the only reason buffs are in such high demand is because people can't live without them. Why? Simple,because they lack the skill to play without them.
People would rather spam specials until their mind goes numb, pop 2 brandies and maybe a muon and continue to spam. People don't want to worry about health or action. They want to kill everything all the time and not worry about dieing....they would rather worry about that one bar that no one can heal anyways. Granted CM's CAN heal it, but I don't know many that will due to the cost of mind wounds on themselves. Its not about the money and you need to understand that. I would figure you are a smart person, but obviously YOU can't understand this one little problem.
You said in one of your posts that docs are never there when you need them. I replied and said there is ALWAYS doctors around. The reason most of us hide our tag is because we don't like to buff people ALL DAY LONG. You can't just buff one person and leave it at that....nooo you buff one person and the entire city thinks you are there for THEM. That is the problem as to why you can't find doctors....because people don't use us for anything more then Buffs. Buffing all day long is not fun, and regardless what you and other people may think, its not that profitable either. I can make 20x more running missions in 3 hours then I can buffing for 6 hours
Its not about your idea to have a buff droid, its the fact that we doctors work hard at what we do..buffing or not...we work hard; and we put up with a lot of crap.To have a droid that any joe off the street can use and basically capitalize on buffs is just not what this game needs.
It's not about the money, or economics, or the droid. The idea is taking away the one thing doctors are, unfortunantly, purelynoted for....BUFFS.
Like myself and the other doctors said. In order to understand Doctors you have to be one....Until then your just another person wanting something you will never get without a doctor.
GKeeper316 wrote:
ok. the docs dont like the idea. i still believe its wrong to put the most sought after commodity in the game into the hands of a few players. there isn't any competition going on. that is the driving force behind free enterprise. everyone charges the same for the same buffs. nobody is trying to put the other guy out of business by selling the same service cheaper. this is called price fixing, and its a federal crime in the united states and most everywhere else. granted this is just a game, but with the "player based economy" the devs tried to build into the game, its easy to do this sort of thing.
i had an idea last night that might keep the docs happy with this idea.
docs keep the "d" packs. i'll stipulate to these being extremely powerful meds that should only be administered by a master doc.
but what if you guys could craft a module to sell to droid engineers? some type of medical enhancement application module for "a" "b" and "c" packs that only a doc could load into the droid. this way you guys could charge the rest of the player base the same amount of money you charge to apply buffs, except thatonly a doc can load them into a "buffbot". you are still providing a service, and we get buff packs in reserve for emergencies when we can't find a doc. just charge the same rate you do to buff players to load the packs into said players med droid. you'll still technically be buffing the players, you'd just be doing so by proxy, through the players droid. and the droid could only hold like 2-3 buff packs, so return trips to the doc to load up the droid would give you guys another service and another way to make money, both from the droid modules and loading the packs into the droid. this would also create a market for lower powered buffs, which, as i understand, are easier to craft.
again, this is just an idea. flame if you must, but i'm just trying to find a way for the combat classes to get buffs in emergencies and keep the docs "in the loop".
Rogha Dainar, Esq.
Master Bounty Hunter
Message Edited by Ikrin on 05-16-2004 08:36 AM