Doctor Archive
Thread: Healing and cureing bug.
HOTDOG
Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:50 am
#40
here is what I posted on the medic forums- I am a master swordsman/smuggler/medic 0 0 4 0
Last night I had to do a couple of errands- dropping items at peoples vendors, shoppin', etc.etc. So I didn't bother getting buffed but I DID find myself in a scuffle or two.
Now in these fights I managed my HAM with brandy, canape and HEALS. Meaning, while I was duking it out, I was healing myself for x amount of damage. This is a common strategy.
As the night progressed- I found myself on the recieving end of a Nightsister Elder's Vibro-pole axe. When things got hairy (and they did very quickly) I tried to heal myself and got this message:
"You cannot do that at this time"
Now, what in the Sam Hill is going on here? Did medic get stealth nerfed? 'Cause I don't remember reading this in the notes last night.
The differences from the fights I was in earlier than the night sister ones are:
1. I was on Naboo (a starter planet) as opposed to Dathomire
2. I was fighting mediocre Thug Mobs as opposed to a Nightsister ELDER
3. I wasn't buffed on Naboo. On Dathomire I was.
4. I ate havala when I was on Dathomire
Now, I thought this just might be some new thing that NSs could do but I later took on an ATST and couldn't heal myself while fighting him either.
Keep in mind I am TOTALLY clearing my cue when I attempt these heals. If it wasn't for my FD abilities I would have died 5 or 6 times last night.
I hope that this isn't a nerf and that I'm just doing something wrong but I doubt it 'cause this has been my playstyle for at least 8 months now.
29 of my skill points are dedicated to the ability to heal while fighting- If this IS a nerf it would definitely be the most ASININE thing that was ever done to this game.
Last night I had to do a couple of errands- dropping items at peoples vendors, shoppin', etc.etc. So I didn't bother getting buffed but I DID find myself in a scuffle or two.
Now in these fights I managed my HAM with brandy, canape and HEALS. Meaning, while I was duking it out, I was healing myself for x amount of damage. This is a common strategy.
As the night progressed- I found myself on the recieving end of a Nightsister Elder's Vibro-pole axe. When things got hairy (and they did very quickly) I tried to heal myself and got this message:
"You cannot do that at this time"
Now, what in the Sam Hill is going on here? Did medic get stealth nerfed? 'Cause I don't remember reading this in the notes last night.
The differences from the fights I was in earlier than the night sister ones are:
1. I was on Naboo (a starter planet) as opposed to Dathomire
2. I was fighting mediocre Thug Mobs as opposed to a Nightsister ELDER
3. I wasn't buffed on Naboo. On Dathomire I was.
4. I ate havala when I was on Dathomire
Now, I thought this just might be some new thing that NSs could do but I later took on an ATST and couldn't heal myself while fighting him either.
Keep in mind I am TOTALLY clearing my cue when I attempt these heals. If it wasn't for my FD abilities I would have died 5 or 6 times last night.
I hope that this isn't a nerf and that I'm just doing something wrong but I doubt it 'cause this has been my playstyle for at least 8 months now.
29 of my skill points are dedicated to the ability to heal while fighting- If this IS a nerf it would definitely be the most ASININE thing that was ever done to this game.
ApiokIsan
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:00 am
#41
this bug sucks majorly!
happens to me all the time (and yes, it's while havla is in-use)
JadeNova
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:06 am
#42
Me Too! 
(Kettemoor)
I buffed with havla and bivoli and went to vette it worked fine then I came down from vette (I didn't die) and went to rebuff myself I again used havla and bivoli and from this time on I have not been able to use any stim pack at all I logged for 30 mins and I left it over night and it has not fixed itself. This is a game breaker for me I need those stims!
Flare
LordVisivius
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:42 am
#43
I haven't had to cure state or first aid since the publish yesterday. However, I did the corvette this morning and I healed myself 15 times using Stim Ds with no problem...have yet to test out the state effects and disease/poisons. I'm Master doc/Swordsman.
SkippyMcHaggis
Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:52 am
#44
to the last guy that posted, have you used Havla at all?
Kisa
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:04 pm
#45
Working with Skip on Intrepid. Here is what we found.
Set up 2 characters to warcry/duel each other and used 4 different medical Characters after 2 trips vette.
Healer 1: 4440(doc)/MCM
Area Stimpack C
Ranged Stimpack E
Stimpack E
Healer 2: 4440(doc)/0003CM
Ranged Stim C
Stim E
State Heals
Healer 3: 2100(Medic)
Stim B
Healer 4: MD
Stim D
Scenario:
Vette Run 1 (Imperial Assassination): Healer 2 did all buffs (including himself)with Bivoli and Havla. Once on the vette Healer 1 and 3 could heal but Healer 2 could not heal. Mission failure, thanks.
Investigated the boards for the bug....
Vette Run 2 (Imperial Destroy): Healer 2 did all buffs (NOT himself) with Bivoli and Havla. Healer 1 buffed Healer 2 and used Havla and Bivoli. Once on the vette Healer 1 and 2 could not heal. Healer 3 was still able to heal. LOL, with enough deaths you can still get the badge and ninja the loot unbuffed.
Returned to our house on Naboo, 1800m South of Theed and 9.9km from Emporers Retreat, and set up the warcry/duel scenario
Healer 1 and 2 still can not heal. Healer 3 and 4 can.
Healer 4 eats Bivoli, can still heal.
Healer 3 eats Havla, can NOT heal.
Healer 1 does a /logout command, exits SWG program, relogs before the character leaves the group. Still can not heal.
Healer 2 does a /quit command, and logs back on before his character leaves the group. Still can not heal.
Healer 2 does a /logout command, exits SWG, and waits for 30 minutes or so for his character to drop out, relogs in and CAN heal again.
Healer 4 eats Havla, can NOT heal.
Synopsis. Havla broke the ability to heal for Healer 1, 2, and 3. Healer 4 never took Havla. This is after a 1 hour timeout on the Vette, then a drive of 10km. Server bounderies were crossed, loaded onto the vette, and loaded off of the vette.
***Also***
All 4 (including the Non Havla using healer) got the message that "Your current battle fatigue is reducing your medicine's effectiveness." This is with 0 BF, 0 body wounds, in armor or in clothes (zero encumberance incured), no buffs, buffed, brandy,no brandy, grouped and not grouped.
*** Edited - Healer 1, 2, and 3 died on the vette, the bug lasted post death. And the Havla has been in our inventory for at least a month ***
Thank you from
Shimmer, Maddi, andSkipyryr
Message Edited by Kisa on 09-01-2004 03:18 AM
JuggernautRM
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:31 pm
#46
Thanks for the test and synopsis, this will really help solve the bug and warn doctors till it is solved.
durks
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:42 pm
#47
Happened to me too. I'm a Master Doc and I loaded, took bivoli and havla and buffed. No problems buffing, but trying to heal damage, states, ect. while on the havla I had a longer then normal wait time between heals (longer then when not using havla). Since the havla wore off, I am only able to buff. I get the message "you must wait before you can do that" when I try to heal damage or states.
Durk
Master Pistol / Master Doc
branchero
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:51 pm
#48
Tested it more.
The issue is that havla is now affected by the smugglers delight bug.
The bug with smugs's delight was this: being at or over 100% reduction, the timing and equations got screwed up, and the effect of the food would fire after the downer hit.
This gets worse with havla, since it's a multi instanced food (aka smugglers delight only works for the first spice afterwards, while havla persists for xxx heals and 60 minutes). The error message is "You must wait before you can do that". The server can't deal with a 100% reduction in whatever equation they tweaked.
So educated guesses on my part:
1) This was done to fix the problem of only 100% Havla affecting things such as buff timers, when in all reality havla should have a. not affected buff times at all or b. affected buff times at any % of efficacy not just 100%
2) Switching to 99% havla (just like we had to do for smugglers delight) will most likely fix the problem...
The issue is that havla is now affected by the smugglers delight bug.
The bug with smugs's delight was this: being at or over 100% reduction, the timing and equations got screwed up, and the effect of the food would fire after the downer hit.
This gets worse with havla, since it's a multi instanced food (aka smugglers delight only works for the first spice afterwards, while havla persists for xxx heals and 60 minutes). The error message is "You must wait before you can do that". The server can't deal with a 100% reduction in whatever equation they tweaked.
So educated guesses on my part:
1) This was done to fix the problem of only 100% Havla affecting things such as buff timers, when in all reality havla should have a. not affected buff times at all or b. affected buff times at any % of efficacy not just 100%
2) Switching to 99% havla (just like we had to do for smugglers delight) will most likely fix the problem...
And Zar doesn't like to share.
NiveusSWG
Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:50 pm
#49
You must wait before you can submit this bug.
pwnt.
Yes, I get it also, and it started today. I go to buff myself.. soon there after I can no longer stim, curestate, or anything. Makes me frustrated because I have 140 points of nothingness on my toon. a total waste of skillpoints because I can't use the things I'm supposed to be able to use.
pwnt.
Yes, I get it also, and it started today. I go to buff myself.. soon there after I can no longer stim, curestate, or anything. Makes me frustrated because I have 140 points of nothingness on my toon. a total waste of skillpoints because I can't use the things I'm supposed to be able to use.
Grendelf
Wed Sep 01, 2004 2:04 pm
#50
Well this is what happened to me...few times in row. I'm trandoshanmaster doc/swordsman and i were killing ns in dathomir, doctor and entertainers buffs on and no havla, I encoutered one lesser ns group and I decided to attack them, they got instantly stun+dizzy to me and i clicked dizzy cure macro, it cured dizzy but after that I was unable to nothing else because the heal state thing stayed in combat que and didn't go off after succesfull cure, i tried to peace, clear que and it didnt work so i had back off because i couldnt do special nor heal at all. I had 0 macro's running and that dizzy cure was only shortcut to my inv.
But after combat I was able to use stims heal states normally but again when I encoutered ns group and used statecure it happened again.
Message Edited by Grendelf on 09-02-2004 12:09 AM
Taenyc
Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:17 pm
#51
Could this be tied in with the macro fix they had planed. I never use havala, only Biv, and I have not had any problems buffing or healing. I dont use any macros though. Thats 0 macros, I just dont like em and dont trust em, never have.
Just a thought.
Immollatus, MCM/MD
UbifaA
Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:55 pm
#52
Havla is the food that allows you to buff almost every second right ?
I used it last night to buff myself on Dantooine, and it just kept the normal timing of about 10-15 seonds before i caould use /healenhance again :/