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Thread: let me make it easy for the idiots
Mabye its cause you are DESTROYING THE DOCTOR BUFFING BIZ?!?!?!?!? Peeps sellin 2200 buffs for 10k ARE the morons!!! Its been said before but I can say it again. Peeps get buffed for around 3 hours....in that time they can EASILTY make upwards of 250k!!! so charging even FIFTY K for a 2200 buff would be almost GIVING it away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn I hate peeps who ruin a good market..sheesh. (and by the way...grammatically...you need help)
LordVisivius wrote:
Here's my take on this...
I agreethat any doctorshould charge more if they are the ones that are harvesting and collecting their resources, which I do. I hand build my buff packs. I spend a lot of time and energy and credits traveling around and maintaining my harvesters. I DESERVE 15K+ for a buff, which is what I charge on Starsider. People are more than willing to pay it. For those that say "Not everyone can go and run 30K Janta missions with their buffs or they may just PvP"..here's my response. I started this game with my cdef pistol. I killed kreetles, I killed nunas. I worked my way up the tree. Did I log into the game and get buffed to grind out marksman? No. I bought a stim B pack, picked up missions around Bestine and worked at it, healing myself. I rarely buff myself even now as a master doc. People that log in and get buffed to "smell the roses" are throwing their credits out the window. They're taking buffs for granted. Not my problem. I don't care what people do with their buff. I'm going to charge what I feel I deserve to be paid. I work hard at it. I spend a lot of time crafting and working with harvesters. I also do 30K Janta missions. I do what I want, when I want. Doctor's services are undervalued and taken for granted. It's time people pay us for our efforts. I'm not saying everyone should be paid 25K for a buff when it's crap, or all the time. But it's time people realize that our services are invaluable. Here's the thing....they CAN survive without buffs. People who want to kill things beyond their ability is ridiculous. A Noob SHOULDN'T be able to solo Lord Nyax, they shouldn't be able to hand a tusken warlord his @#$@ on a plate. I don't like to "grind", nor does anyone else. But that's part of this game, right or wrong. You have to do it, but you don't HAVE to get a buff. I don't feel sorry for people who can't "afford" my buffs. Let them do some missions. Earn the RIGHT to get buffed. I had to, so did most people. Buffing is a luxury, not a right. When each person has "done their time" doing missions, they can then afford buffs, to do better missions. It's their choice to use buffs to earn credits or to smell the roses. It's their right. They can choose to get buffed and sit in the cantina. I don't care. It IS their responsibility to earn credits at some point if they want another buff. People DON'T have to get buffed to do missions. Those people use something called strategy and skill to do missions. That's how how real players play the game; they don't rely on buffs to keep them alive. Yes, I could have gotten buffed and did missions and high level mobs, but I was a noob and lowlevel combat template. I didn't DESERVE to do high level mobs. You should BE a master at a combat class to do solo Lord Nyax or a Tusken Warlord.
That's my 2 cents and I think this sums up both sides fairly well. Some will like it, some won't, but it IS reality. People don't Have to get buffed to play the game. I didn't get buffed and low and behold, I survived! I'm a master and now I get buffed on occasion (rare) to do a high level mob, but generally I don't. I rarely get buffed to do a Janta mission. I use skill and strategy to take out a Shaman. It makes the game fun. What fun is it to be invulnerable to everything and not have to worry about dying? No wonder people are bored with this game. With buffs, it's too easy. High level Buffs were a mistake in my opinion. Hopefully, one to soon be rectified with the Combat Revamp. Raising our prices is a way to make people play the game the way it was meant to be played. Using skill and strategy to take out a mob, not a buff.
IMO....
DKora wrote:
Mabye its cause you are DESTROYING THE DOCTOR BUFFING BIZ?!?!?!?!? Peeps sellin 2200 buffs for 10k ARE the morons!!! Its been said before but I can say it again. Peeps get buffed for around 3 hours....in that time they can EASILTY make upwards of 250k!!! so charging even FIFTY K for a 2200 buff would be almost GIVING it away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn I hate peeps who ruin a good market..sheesh. (and by the way...grammatically...you need help)
First off - There are other costs associated with running missions - Weapon and armor decay, costs of food, etc...That 250k is not pure profit
Secondly - At 10k, i make a KILLING when i buff (i make my own packs). Even when i bought packs, i would turn a good profit while keeping my price at 10k
Thirdly - Please see the highlighted sections above - Trolling hypocrites are teh pwn.
It's the docs charging outrageous prices that are ruining your 'good market' - The more people that jump on the overpriced bandwagon, the more inflation you're just going to cause, and the more people who will simply just stop paying.
Several people in my guild have picked up master doc, simply to buff themselves and get away from the greedy pocket stretchers in cnet. In addition, as the price for buffs has gone up, so has the price of packs.
It's quite simple, and the little FOTM kiddies can't seem to grasp the concept - You charge more for the buffs, and the docs who sell the packs will charge more for packs to get a peice of the pie - Pretty soon, you're no longer turning the huge profit you were, and you raise your prices again.In the meantime, your customer base is dwindling as more and more people pick up doc, just so you dont have to put up with your gold digging.
You have fun with your 50k buffs, i'll come sit next to you and price gouge your eyes out, while still making more than enough money.
ShakariPsy wrote:
and many Doc's are with Dkora as well so that doesn't realkly count
Um if ppl PvP they have PLENTY of money if they went to be anygood!
and ANYONE can earn at least twice what they pay for a 15k buff in 3 hours even a noob!
NOTE: lol seem like I've quoted CyberBobs post twice guess it must have really got my attention
Message Edited by ShakariPsy on 08-03-2004 06:03 PM
Yes this is the second time you you quoted and the second time you said the same thing. Just because people pvp does not mean they are rich. It takes credits to get the stuff they have (and a bunch of credits at that)and in pvp there is no profit.
Jacking up prices is not needed! Spelling in capitals wont make me change my mind either! Our economies need to be fixed, and us gouging prices for buffs only adds to these problems.
If you like the name, you should watch The Net. Its a horrible movie but when you are drunk and searching for a name....there is nothing better
Message Edited by CyberBob123 on 08-03-2004 08:20 PM
DKora wrote:
Mabye its cause you are DESTROYING THE DOCTOR BUFFING BIZ?!?!?!?!? Peeps sellin 2200 buffs for 10k ARE the morons!!! Its been said before but I can say it again. Peeps get buffed for around 3 hours....in that time they can EASILTY make upwards of 250k!!! so charging even FIFTY K for a 2200 buff would be almost GIVING it away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn I hate peeps who ruin a good market..sheesh. (and by the way...grammatically...you need help)
Not to pick on you, DKora, but you brought up the point and, as you said, it has been said many times before, sot the counter argument need to be repeated.
I am sorry, but I am growing quite weary of my fellow Doctors, as well as the Smugglers out there, looking enviously on what other people are able to do with "their" buffs or slices or other services and figuring that we deserve a bigger cut of another person's labors. It always amazes me that people making these arguments act like, if it were not for what they were doing, the player they are servicing "could not" get that kind of money and only because of what they are providing.
Okay, granted, a Doctor's buff allows players to do things they might not otherwise be able to do. But to put things into perspective:
1. How much money will a player make with even a 3000 point buff trying to do Janta missions without armor, without food and/or musician/dancer buffs for mind, and without weapons (with the possible exception of a TKM)? Therefore, it is not "your" buffs that make it possible to make that kind of money. Your buffs are but one of the many factors that allow a player to do
2. When a player gets killed, he loses his buffs. Do you offer as a part of your inflated price a warranty that allow him to come back and get rebuffed if he does not get the full 3 hours out of your buffs?
3. Do you pay for the decay on his armor or other items if your buffs do not keep him alive during that 3 hour period? Or do you pay the costs for the damage his armor or the decay his weapons take just from doing the mission, even if he does not die?
4. Without taking Havala (sp?), it takes a Master Doc 85 seconds to complete a buff from start to finish. Add a leisurely 30 seconds to account for setting up for the next person, and that is 115 seconds per person. In one hour, that equates to 31 buffs. At 10k per buff, that is 310k per hour, or a total of 930k (93 people) during that same three hour period. Taking the cost of buffs if you buy them and the cost of bivoli into account, I figure it costs me about 6k per person to buff them. Calculating 6k times 93 people, that is a cost of 558k. So that means that I can make 372k profit for just sitting around running a macro. And unless I am careless and buff an overt, my "life" was not put at risk, and none of my possessions were at risk of decay from death. I did not have to go out looking for a solo group, and I did not waste time and resources (vehicle decay) traveling from mission to mission. That means that is 372k of virtually risk free profits. And that assumes I bought my buff packs. The profit is significantly higher if I made them myself.
I could go on.But the point is that "your buffs" are not the only factor in people being able to make that kind of money. And I know of no one who takes responsibility for a players losses if "their buffs" do not keep someone alive for the full 3 hours. But even more than that, people act like they are entitled to a cut of someone else's work simply because something they do aids that person in that pursuit. Yet they disregard all the other factors going into the equation, such as relative risks and other costs that entitle that person to the friuts of their labors.
If you want to charge 50k for buffs, that is your choice. But is also my choice to look at my costs and examine the market and, based on my own value system, decide what I think a fair price is and charge that amount. If you do not like it, that is your choice. You do not have to charge what I do. That is the way a free market works. But neither do you have the right to judge me because I do notchoose to base my prices on your value system.
CyberBob123 wrote:
ShakariPsy wrote:
If your doing PvP only and hope to getanywherethen u have LOTS of cash for the required weps, attatchments etc thus can afford even 50K buffs
otherwise I agree
and also since when didn't AS's or chefs sell there products for as much as they can get??? huh they always do.... if they can why shouldn't we doc's do the same???
Message Edited by ShakariPsy on 07-17-2004 03:01 AM
If they need so much cash for those attatchments and weapons and they buy them how do they have money left?