Doctor Archive

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Zulummar wrote:
Oh, and just to further the point of a rookie knowing more than a vet...

I have been playing this game for about 2 months. That would make me a rookie.
I am in a guild with people who have been playing since release. That would make them veterans.

Now, whenever anyone has questions about macros, quests, various ingame commands, when X weapon can be used, what's needed to make this or that, they ask me. Why? Because they, although being veterans to the game, do not educate themselves on such matters by searching out and learning the relevant information. I, as a rookie, do educate myself on such matters by searching out and learning relevant info on all sorts of things. In addition, they do not utilize or even know resources such as the web and the forums to find info that they don't already know or have forgotten. I, on the other hand, know and utilize tons of resources for finding new info that I don't know or have forgotten.

See that key difference there again? I (as a rookie) do not have EXPERIENCE, but I do have KNOWLEDGE. They (as veterans) do not have KNOWLEDGE, but they do have EXPERIENCE.

Care to give that another try now?

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Agreed on this point. but do they go around saying they are a veteran? Probably not, and if they do they should be slapped. I can (and some would say did) Go through the motions of school and not learn a thing from it. However I was self taught throughout most of my schooling. I think i did 4 assignments but some how made A's in almost every class, why, because im self motivated.

Time spent in a game does not dictate being a veteran, being a veteran at something means youve put time, effort and work into gaining the 'knowledge' that you keep throwing around. And yes, some people who are 3 months old in game will know more than others who have played for a year and a half. But in the grand scheme of things, someone had to teach YOU how to do the things listed, or you read them on the forum, or you over heard a conversation, but in essence, you didnt pick them out of ur arse just because they were there. you learned them from a veteran in that catagory.

Further note. Somone who has been crafting from day one and has never picked up a survival knife, may know ZERO about fighting, however they can probably tell you the exact amounts of what product is needed to go into a knife so YOU can use it :0) see my point, no one knows everything, a veteran in this game isnt about the whole game, its about the aspects you decide to learn.

No, as YOU yourself posted, one of the definitions of veteran (by the way, if you were ever taught how to use a dictionary, you'd know that any of the definitions listed qualify, a situation does not have to meet all of the definitions to be valid) is that you have experience

1. A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity: a veteran of political campaigns.



Someone who has been practicing the art of being a doctor for a long time, is by definition a veteran, REGARDLESS of whether they have spent the time effort and work into gaining the knowledge of the "best" or most efficient methods of doing so. (see definition above)

A person who is long experiences or practiced in something has not necessarily "put time, effort and work into gaining the 'knowledge' that you keep throwing around."


Yes, in MOST cases, a person who is long practiced or experienced in something will fit that description, but not ALWAYS. You can try all you like to continue putting in the argument that knowledge is what makes one a veteran, but it is simply not quite 100% true. Knowledge CAN make someone a veteran, but experience can as well, regardless of whether one has all the knowledge.

Zulumarr Wrote:

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Let's see...
Rookie:
3. An inexperienced person; a novice. <--- Gee that would be me now wouldn't it? I just recently made master doc, don't have much EXPERIENCE doing it, but did acquire a lot of KNOWLEDGE before hand. See the key difference there? EXPERIENCE vs. KNOWLEDGE? A person who doesn't have much EXPERIENCE can have more KNOWLEDGE of a subject than someone who is a...

Veteran:
1. A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity: a veteran of political campaigns.
a person who has been a master doc for 6 months, a year, maybe more who has EXPERIENCE playing the profession, but never has bothered to go out and acquire the KNOWLEDGE of the "best" way to do things, the most efficient way to do things, or whatever else. Kinda like people can be doing something all wrong for years and years, they still get the task done, but having never properly learned or researched it, be doing it in a rather ineffecient or ineffectual manner. Only problem being, if nobody corrects them, they may not ever realize there's a more efficient way or more effective way to do it, and trudge along blissful in their ignorance.

Key here, KNOWLEDGE is not synonomous with EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE is what (in this case) would determine the difference between rookie and veteran, KNOWLEDGE does not. Therefore, it is possible for a person with less EXPERIECE (hence a rookie) could have more KNOWLEDGE than someone with more EXPERIENCE (hence a veteran).

Now, go back, read the post again, and read the part about me instructing someone who's been a master doc for quite some time in matters of being a doc that I (as a rookie with no experience) KNEW MORE ABOUT than they (as a veteran with many times more experience than I) did, and you have your answer.

Oh, and next time, just because you've been corrected, don't get up on your high horse and take matters to a personal level by throwing around insults. "So tell me how a rookie can know more than a veteran? oh yeah, thats right, didnt gradjimate the 3rd grade....."
I am a high school graduate, and college educated, thank you very much. I would point out that you obviously missed the part of school where they tought the concept of Apples and Oranges and not comparing the two (EXPERIENCE vs. KNOWLEDGE), but doing so would only be sinking to your level, so I won't. Oh, wait, I just did... oh well, even I'm occasionally prone to doing so when it is so DESPERATELY begged for.

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I dunno what are your production costs on buffpacks, but mine is around 6000 each, and sell price is 25000.

Paying 190 for the meat will probably raise his costs to 6500 but he can probably charge 28000 per buffpack.

Anyway, I'm GOD doc(good doc isn't just the good word) and if some docs quit buffing some others will step by, if people charge more for buffpacks, docs will charge more for buffs, ya can't stop the epidemic.

i didnt read the full thread..but i just got upset about the following thread...
and i just need to bragg about it >

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=eclipse_trade&message.id=306866

this avian meat came just in shift (dont know when it came in shift exactly) and there is someone paying 190 cents per unit for it ... the meat has oq,pe above 900 and dr is around 190.
i hit 940+ buffs with it but didnt get the duration higher than 10066 (2h48m)
it's good meat but isnt this price just insane ???

yes i know, its just 1 person that has way too much money and needs avian meat, and its his choice to offer that much.
but the meat is UNPAYABLE by a normal doctor to craft his buffs.
it's not the scouts/rangers asking those amounts for harvested resources, no some very rich doctor puts on a thread for 190cpu and great you got a price set on that meat.

TOPIC SUBJECT: Want to solve the pricing/buff epidemic? -> start with kicking those kind of doctors in their asses

yeah well at least i got my steam off

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ZeroK0ol wrote:

A rookie is never as good as a veteran...

a rookie cannot be as good as a veteran...

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Zulummar wrote:
No, as YOU yourself posted, one of the definitions of veteran (by the way, if you were ever taught how to use a dictionary, you'd know that any of the definitions listed qualify, a situation does not have to meet all of the definitions to be valid) is that you have experience

1. A person who is long experienced or practiced in an activity or capacity: a veteran of political campaigns.



Someone who has been practicing the art of being a doctor for a long time, is by definition a veteran, REGARDLESS of whether they have spent the time effort and work into gaining the knowledge of the "best" or most efficient methods of doing so. (see definition above)

A person who is long experiences or practiced in something has not necessarily "put time, effort and work into gaining the 'knowledge' that you keep throwing around."


Yes, in MOST cases, a person who is long practiced or experienced in something will fit that description, but not ALWAYS. You can try all you like to continue putting in the argument that knowledge is what makes one a veteran, but it is simply not quite 100% true. Knowledge CAN make someone a veteran, but experience can as well, regardless of whether one has all the knowledge.

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Oh, so now i see your misconception. You think that being a Doctor encompasses all of the profession, lol, ok i can see how you care confused.

There are different aspects of the dr proffesion, Crafting/Buffing/Healing

Crafters know how to craft, while someone who JUST buffs in a starport knows nothing of crafting, they just pop out the 120k for a set of buffs and goto work, healers on the other hand will tend to carry stims/heals/State effect cures etc.

SO if your expecting a dr to know every aspect of being a dr, good luck. Theres probably 5 dr's per server that could claim that, and i dont try, youll never see me out there with a flame blanket chasing rebs to put their fires out. Even if i am a reb.

I'm the dr that will be in the cloning center, using the buffs ive crafted rebuffing thr troops before they go out to battle.

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Zulummar wrote:
By definition you are wrong, a rookie in a profession, someone who is lacking experiance, and those who lack experiance cannot have the knowledge of a veteran, you can say 'oh oh oh, im book smart'

Dear god i hope you didnt read a book on driving and think your a veteran.

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No no no. There you go again, trying to make knowledge synonomous with experience. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME, GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK FREAKING SKULL. Someone who is lacking in experience does not necessarily lack knowledge.

Gee, how is it if someone who lacks experience cannot have the knowledge of a veteran, that I was able to buff higher and faster than the master doc in my example and I knew how to figure buff strength and resource quality, and could craft better buff packs than that person? By your claim, I couldn't possibly have the knowledge to do so.

And um, gee, on that last statement... I don't recall anywhere claiming to be a veteran, nor did I say that someone who has gotten knowledge is a veteran. YOU are the one saying putting in the time, effort, and work to acquire the knowledge is what makes one a veteran, not me.

If you're going to bother continuing to debate with me, for god's sake do me a favor. At least come to the table properly informed, prepared, and for crying out loud, present me with a damn challenge.

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God your stupid. and thats not an insult, just an observation. In my post i distinctly separated knowledge from experiance. Someone who is an experianced driver, can drive. Someone who reads how to drive a car and hops in, usually puts the car in a ditch, like i did the first time i tried to drive a stick. I told my brother the 'procedure' on how its supposed to work, he said 'crap, i guess u can drive' we spent the next 2 hours towing his car out of a ditch.

Dont let someone who 'read' how to drive a stick drive ur car, not if u like it anyways.

U are one of the most ignorant debaters ive run across yet, u should debate Bush, u might win.

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NiViK wrote:

Guys...all of this is "Relative"

perception of ones skills(ie: I am a vet...I am a newb, he is a vet...he is a newb) is extremely biased...

Let me give you an example.

Someone in another thread was giving advice on hardware setup(specifically, how to set up your virtual memory for maxium preformance)

This person said they started when the game was new(ie: vet)and this was what SOE support told him to do(specifically, set your virtual memory in windows to 4 gig(the max winxp will allow)regardless of how much physical memory you have) FYI this is extremely dumb. The suggested size is 1.5X(the physical ram) in your system. Anything else higher will slow your system down due to unnecesssary disk swaps.

Now...I know for a fact that doing something like that will slow you down(I am an engineer IRL)...but this person kept spouting off that sony told him to do it and he has had it set like that from day one.

I have only been playing since july...and this dufus says he has been playing for over a year....well...if you were a new guy who would you listen to?

here is another example.

I used to play anarchy online before I came here.

I lost count of how many really high lvl chars had no idea how to play their profession. (can you say ebay)

How many ppl that had master this and master that are in fact ebayed chars??? Just because someone has a master tag, does not make them reallya master.

Also there is the issue of people letting friends and family play their chars for them. You can have all sorts of people messing up everyone with their nonsense.

People that spam "Master Doc buffing blah blah blah" really torque me because the quality of the buff isnt the issue. Do non master docs ever get failed buffs??? If I get a buff from a non master doc...do I need to worry that my buff will suddenly fail when I am in a fight???

The answer is no. If a doc advertises a buff's stats and duration...isnt that all that really matters?

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Ok, as for the master Doc response.

You came in after the buff revamp i think, it was over 3 months ago when that happened.

Originally buffs were NOT set stats, they were random, and the higher in skills u were as a Doctor the higher 'percentage chance' you had of hitting a higher buff.

a 900 buff pack at that time had a chance of hitting over 3k, with no bivoli, and no clothes.

but on the flip side it also had a chance of hitting 1k, it was random but the Master Docs had better chances of the 3k

So basically people wouldnt buy buffs from non masters, because in that time, you COULDNT buff over someones crappy buffs.