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Thread: The really problem with Doctors, PvP, PvE and People
pircio wrote:
PISS OFF thinking that your better than everyone else, cause you're not, you're stubborn oldb's who have already gotten to the stage where maybe u dont need to go out and buff to make money and can enjoy high level party groups
taloncard wrote:
mahir wrote:
You know what would be nice. If they dropped herbivore meat and avian meat out of the buffing system. It would drastically lower prices for buffs and anyone who charged to much well... they'd be in a pickle
They would only have to replace it with like a specific planet resource. To make it a challenge make each pack from a different planet.
And make ranger and scout useless.
The only real benefits to those professions now is the ability to harvest, If you make it so 2 more professions don't require their services they will lose far too much of already wasted skillpoints.
I'm sorry I thought they were already useless. Purely a secondary class. Well not all of Ranger sucks.. Area Track rocks.. sucks you gotta master Scout for it
And in this thread, the "this is how I play the game, leave me alone" arguement is invalid, b/c the way you play the game is forcing others to play how they don't want to... so what about them? I know you can't satisfy everyone, it's an ugly truth, but don't try to bring this arguement up b/c all you are saying is that you are better than the others.
Could you try be any more hypocritical? Did you go to the George Bush School of Altered Reality to come up with THAT statement?
The REAL "ugly truth" is that YOUR style of play is available to anyone right now. But nobody wants to play with you. Now you're crying to Mommy (SOE) to FORCE people to play with you.
YOU are the player holding YOUR style of play as the only valid one - in spite of the FACT that it is so unpopular almost no one in the game plays it. Read the forums. The same few names keep popping up pushing the combat nerf- the sole point of which is to CHANGE THE WHOLE GAME to force everyone into that playstyle.
I only read this pro-nerf crap from you so-called "veterans" who, since they can't convince anyone currently in the game to play thier way, are making a lot of noise in favor of nerfing buffs/food/armor ostensibly to bring back the "good old days".
What needs to happen is a call for NEW content, not to make the OLD content HARDER!
captenjonny wrote:
And in this thread, the "this is how I play the game, leave me alone" arguement is invalid, b/c the way you play the game is forcing others to play how they don't want to... so what about them? I know you can't satisfy everyone, it's an ugly truth, but don't try to bring this arguement up b/c all you are saying is that you are better than the others.
Could you try be any more hypocritical? Did you go to the George Bush School of Altered Reality to come up with THAT statement?
The REAL "ugly truth" is that YOUR style of play is available to anyone right now. But nobody wants to play with you. Now you're crying to Mommy (SOE) to FORCE people to play with you.
YOU are the player holding YOUR style of play as the only valid one - in spite of the FACT that it is so unpopular almost no one in the game plays it. Read the forums. The same few names keep popping up pushing the combat nerf- the sole point of which is to CHANGE THE WHOLE GAME to force everyone into that playstyle.
I only read this pro-nerf crap from you so-called "veterans" who, since they can't convince anyone currently in the game to play thier way, are making a lot of noise in favor of nerfing buffs/food/armor ostensibly to bring back the "good old days".
What needs to happen is a call for NEW content, not to make the OLD content HARDER!
captenjonny wrote:
What needs to happen is a call for NEW content, not to make the OLD content HARDER!
The old content is so rediculously easy its a sham. The new content is tough, exciting, requires strategy, and group support. Most of all its fun, provides goals to aspire,and leaves you with a sense of accomplishment when you finish it.
Yet you want the old content to stay where it is.....
Sorry dude but if you want to play a game that lets you keep the "easy" setting on all of the time and doesn't require you to use teamwork I'd suggest staying away from MMORPG's and stick with console games. I hear GFA III: San Andreas is pretty nice. Maybe you guys will have fun soloing your way though that.
I love how JTL requires grouping and strategy to finish upper missions, or be an ace at the stick in your own right. Now if they could just included a voice chat feature into the game. My guilds master tailor/image designer who couldn't fight her way out of a wet paper bag is turning out to be a pretty hot stick in space.
KillJarJarBinks wrote:Maher,I'm not your average MD.I hate crafting, I hate buff lines, and I don't believe my only place is in the back of the pack healing damage and states, with an occasional rez if I'm not paying attention, and would be upset if I were delegated to only that job by the Devs. I don't have the patience to gather thousands of high quality resources over a period of months to make top-quality buff packs and stims, so I buy them from the docs who do (docs like you). Sometimes I fight with a group, most of the times I fight all by myself, it depends on my mood, and I would hate to have that choice made for me by you or the devs, I like deciding for myself.I didn't pick up MD for some altruistic reason of helping/supporting others, and I didn't pick it up for the glory of standing in Coronet with a buff line in front of me charging a small fraction of what those same customers make in the field, I picked up MD to make myself a better warrior, to support myself.Bottom line, I don't pay $15/month to make others happy, I pay $15/month to make myself happy If that's greedy, then I'm greedy, and proud of money well-spent.I'll take the CR like I've taken everything else with this game, with a grain of salt and a level head. If that means dropping MD for a support class which better accomplishes my goals, then I'm not less of a person because of it, I'm just adapting to changing circumstances.Things need to be changed, I'll agree, I just hate judgemental and closed-minded people like you. The sooner you realize that your way isn't the only way is the sooner you become a better person.
ditto I became a MD because I hated waiting on buff lines. I wanted to be albe to log in buff and go. I really have no problem with the current buffs or armor. When I run paper games I dont care if my players have the best armor or the greatest weapons. Why? Because I can always make the bad guyz just as tough or the situation stacked against the hero. The balance comes with the content. People will always whine that this is better or that is unfair and needs to be nerfed. Content is what you make it. Should I wish to solo then I solo. Should I wish to group then I group. This flexablity is avalable to all.
The fallacy of many is because I play an online game I must be forced to group or that I need to be reliant on others for my experances. This cant be farther from the truth. I play an online game becasue of the game world / content. Should some of the content be easy to the extreme, yes. Should some of the content be hard has heck, yes. And there needs to be a middle ground as well. If I pay for buffs and armor to make the easy stuff even easier then its my choice. If you want challenge then dont get buffed or dont where the armor, nuthing is saying you must. Heck you'll save alot of cash thats for sure lol.
Cheers
MaherBot wrote:
This is excatly what im talking about, people like VinniusZola and CaptianBananaHammock sound like prime examples of the halfass doctors walking around the game these days. As VinniusZola stated, there are people who will offer the doctors 50k to jump the line cause they got the money to throw around. Guess what Vinne thats a Solo grouper you buffing, who giving you 50k for thebugff will make that in 10 minutes back on Dantooine. But what you dont understand Vinnie is just cause you sit in town and buff doesnt mean you know anything about the class buddy. Im sure all you know is the AFK tumbler method and the Grinding of ABECs, and thats all.
CaptianBananaHammock is also a good example, just as he stated he is a Doctor but doesnt like to craft and im sure doesnt know how to either. Just in it for the money while its hot market. Banana, you dont understand that the revamp regardless if its good or bad forthe buffs wont make doctors role in the community any less then before, if anything it will increase their service in their older skills. IF they do actually lower buffs more this will make it so that doctors wil be required in hunts more. Again, people like you and Vinne dont see the whole picture and have no previous experience in the real change or hardships of being a doctor
MaherBot wrote:
This is how I see things in relation to the Combat revamp, the buff revamp and the situation with Doctors. There are major discussions about doctors being nerfed, combat going to hell without buffs, and armor being out of wack. Let me explain this from each side., first the people who like armor, buffs and stats as they are now:
You people are greedy. . . simple as that, you know why? Cause you like Solo groups, you like 30k a mission, you like killing large mobs alone so YOU get the drop. Ex. Nightsister, Krayts, GDK, Lord Nayx, Sith faction etc. You dont want the system to change cause you dont play for content, you play for money and items. You assume this is fun but you clearly have no idea what a challenge is or the thrill of killing somthing that was Really hard to kill, when I say hard I dont mean it has 100k health compared to your 2-3k health, I mean it near kill or even incaped you few times. You dont like fighting things that are stronger then you. You like to be able to kill stuff quickly and move to the next one. All that goes through your thick skulls is MONEY, ITEMS, MONEY, ITEMS, MONEY, MR. BIG SHOT SOLOER. You know excatly who you are and you dont want this to change cause you will have to start relying on others and that scares the hell ou of you knowing you have to share drops.
From the people who dont like armor, buffs and stats as they are and need to be removed or atleast modified:
I agree with these people, I am a Master Doctor/ Pikemen, I have been this excat class for 15 months now and havent changed a thing. Buffs and armor are overpowered but you cant take them out of the game. You people need to realize that although they dull out the action and the thrill of game, in CERTAIN cases they are needed. NS, Krayts, etc BUT only in the case to keep a person alive and going and not solo the darn thing. Yes I remember back when the game came out and going with groups of 20+ north of Wayfar to kill Krayts when they use ot spawn up there. OF course being a pikemen, with weak buffs, weak weapons(there were no LVAs at this time btw), no comp armor and running at a Krayt was sucide, but it was damn fun. Sure there were arguments over the drops, but you know what the ones arguing back then are the Solo group people now I bet. Now that they can do it alone so they dont want to go back to "the good/bad old days." They are going to lower buffs and armor in the combat revamp which is just fine with me. The only reason we have mobs with a Quarter million health or more is cause of the current buff and armor system, once they revamp those they will have to revamp mobs soon after.
Now lookin at this from the Doctor side, there are 2 side to this. Doctors in it for the Content of being of Doctor, that is crafting, healing, being a support class and being ok with this. Then there are the other people the recently to became Master Doctors, who are ONLY in it for the money.
Now the veteran Doctors I dont think they will mind at all with any change ot the system. We will still find a way to get by and still play a large role in PVP, PVE and other combat related stuff.
Now the noob wanna be Doctors who just recently got Master Doctor, the second they change the system these people are gone, they will drop the class and find other ways to make cash and complain saying "what did they do the to buffs" and "they ruined the class". Honestly these people should drop dead. I cant stand people who are only in somthing when the market or class in this case is hot. Ex. of this would be CH at Game Opening, Once they made this class EQUAL(NOT NERFED) with the other combats classes all the money and easy combat people dropped out. I personally love to sit down next to these money doctors in Cnet while they are charging 15-50k for buffs and offer my buffs of equal or better quality for only 8k.
Anyone complaining right now about them changing the system is a Greedy, Easy Money no content, Solo group guy.
Anyone who is ok with the changes coming is playing for Content not money for the most part and is most likly a veteran doctor who has stuck it out throught thick and thin.
My opinion here will for sure piss off some people, for those who need to Vent feel free to Email me in game. My characters name is Allandor Evermore, on Starsider Server. So there . . .