Doctor Archive

Salebow, when I say "noobs who complain", thats the only people who im refering too. In my reply to your prior post I stated in my last line that your intentions are better then others. But look at it this way, if by chance that the Dev nerf or lower the buff results by 50% lets say, do u think people will stop taking buffs? of course not, 50% is better then nothing, what this does is make it so a person cant solo NS elder or krayts and gives doctors a more active role in PVP and PVE. I do agree with the 80k cap, it is kinda small, but it is just following the normal Exp cap system which is 2x the highest requirement on the class tree. But my fingerpointing is only to those who dont realize the depth of this class and are only looking at the end result with only intentions to fatten their wallets with little or no effort. You atleast tried to craft, the people im refering too dont even try in the first place.

Heres some information on my last set of buffs, results were Base 872, Duration 3:20, Charges 27. Made 100 of each stat(2 crates of 50), this way 8 months ago. Number are just off my mind rougly.

Basic materials required to make Components:
ABEC- 18 wheat, 18 fiber
ACRDM- 16 Herb meat, 16 C4 petro
ASDS- 16 Dom oat, 16 Dolovite Iron

Final Assembly:
Reactive Gas- 28, Avian Meat- 28

Required components per pack:
Health Pack- 3 ABEC, 2ACDRM, 1 ASDS
Action Pack- 2 ABEC, 2ACDRM, 1 ASDS
Consitution Pack- 2 ABEC, 2ACDRM, 1 ASDS
Strength Pack- 3 ABEC, 2ACDRM, 1 ASDS
Quickness Pack- 3 ABEC, 2ACDRM, 1 ASDS
Stamina Pack- 3 ABEC, 2ACDRM, 1 ASDS

Total of components to make 1 of each stat:

ABEC- 16
ACDRM- 12
ASDS= 6

Math reuqired to have the excat amount of the basic materials to make 100 sets:

ABEC 16 x 100 sets = 1600 x 18 = 28,800 units of Both Fiber and Wheat
ACDRM- 12 x 100 sets = 1200 x 16 = 19,200 units of Both Herb Meat and C4 petro
ASDS= 6 x 100 sets = 600 x 16 = 9,600 units of Both Dom Oats and Dolovite Iron

Total for final assembly:

1) Avian Meat 28 x 100 = 2,800
2) Reactive Gas 28 x 100 = 2,800

Total Materials required:

1) Wild Wheat -28,800
2) Tat Fiber -28,800
3) Herb Meat -19,200
4) C4 Petro -19,200
5) Dom Oats -9,600
6) Dolovite Iron -9,600
7) Raactive Gas -2,800
8) Avian Meat -2,800

Note-------------- Consider you need ot also add a 10% to 25% to these numbers for a Margin of Error

also consider you need ot make sure you have matching serial numbers since making Factory schems have a 1000 limit
This is what i went thourgh 8 months ago, i still have 19 of the 100 sets left. Keep in mind i was getting 2400 Buffs 8 months ago which is what people are getting now.

Your right, play the game as you want, everyone is has the own method and ways of gettign stuff done. Both of you get what you want out of the game. And your right abuot the revamp if they are going to change one thing they will change another. unfortunatly this game will never be equal. This game has to make variations in items, to make different factors to account for and that mixing in with everyoens point of view of what is fair and not. But thats just how it goes, we make do with what we got, just as we will continue to stick it out and make due with what we have to work with at the moment. With all the compliants i doubt anyones opinion on the forums will make an change on the Devs final decision what going to happen.

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taloncard wrote:
THERE IS MORE TO MASTER DOCTOR THAN BUFFING!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our abilites that never get used now:
First aid (cure bleeding)
Heal state
Cure posion
Cure disease
Drag incapped player
Heal damage

the one that gets used:
enhance attribute.

Gee don't tell me docs will be poor and useless after the Combat Upgrade, you just won't be able to make money with a afk macro or sitting in coronet buffing. You might have to go out and do something, or get a vendor.

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Message Edited by Brainplay on 10-31-2004 04:26 AM

You know what would be nice. If they dropped herbivore meat and avian meat out of the buffing system. It would drastically lower prices for buffs and anyone who charged to much well... they'd be in a pickle

They would only have to replace it with like a specific planet resource. To make it a challenge make each pack from a different planet.

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MaherBot wrote:
This is excatly what im talking about, people like VinniusZola and CaptianBananaHammock sound like prime examples of the halfass doctors walking around the game these days. As VinniusZola stated, there are people who will offer the doctors 50k to jump the line cause they got the money to throw around. Guess what Vinne thats a Solo grouper you buffing, who giving you 50k for thebugff will make that in 10 minutes back on Dantooine. But what you dont understand Vinnie is just cause you sit in town and buff doesnt mean you know anything about the class buddy. Im sure all you know is the AFK tumbler method and the Grinding of ABECs, and thats all.

CaptianBananaHammock is also a good example, just as he stated he is a Doctor but doesnt like to craft and im sure doesnt know how to either. Just in it for the money while its hot market. Banana, you dont understand that the revamp regardless if its good or bad forthe buffs wont make doctors role in the community any less then before, if anything it will increase their service in their older skills. IF they do actually lower buffs more this will make it so that doctors wil be required in hunts more. Again, people like you and Vinne dont see the whole picture and have no previous experience in the real change or hardships of being a doctor

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mahir wrote:
You know what would be nice. If they dropped herbivore meat and avian meat out of the buffing system. It would drastically lower prices for buffs and anyone who charged to much well... they'd be in a pickle

They would only have to replace it with like a specific planet resource. To make it a challenge make each pack from a different planet.

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And make ranger and scout useless.

The only real benefits to those professions now is the ability to harvest, If you make it so 2 more professions don't require their services they will lose far too much of already wasted skillpoints.

You atleast understand what I mean Electorate, getting to master wasnt a 1 day grind back in the day, it would take weeks and months before anyone could pull off Master Doctor, and even then that didnt mean you had Uber stuff. Now a days, where everything is a said and done and all the hard work is done by a hand full of actual doctors. They setup the supplies on vendors and let the wanna be doctors purchase all they want. I find is SO FUNNY that people who pretty much have everything handed to them on a silver platter, make lots of profit and do absolutly none of the hard work can complain so much. I GUESS THERES NO STAISFYING THE IGNORANT. ITS CALLED BEING A SPOILED BRAT YOU NOOB DOCTORS.

Salebow, you have a point there. If you are just going to be a doctor to be beneifical to your guild, friends and yourself, thats just fine, nothing wrong with that. The issue is though that if you arent the crafter, you arent the one out there hunting the resoureces, you arent the one sitting there doing the calculations to make the buff packs, I dont think you really have a right to complain since you arent going to be doing the work. Its just fine to buy packs from vendors, it helps you and the vendor owner, but weather they change the system or not you really cant complain cause all you are dealing with is final product. Most of the doctors who are saying "dont change the buffs, leave them as they are" are the ones who dont do the crafting. Since they are not involved in the whole process they are scared of what this change will do to their profit. No offense, but you yourself just said u dont like crafting and you dont want the system to change, this puts you in that category, though your intentions are to benefit friends and not your pocket.

I see this thread has taken on quite the life of it's own...

I think the thing here is that Maher is tired of seeing Doc turned into a whore of a profession that is used for nothing more than the buffs we can provide. Docs before solo groups and uber-buffs remember what it was like to be an important part of a hunting group... and most older docs who became docs b/c of the profession, not the credit potential, are tired of being looked at as a greedy lazy scrub b/c that is what most newer doctors are today; in it for the money [despite the lack of money being made, which makes me wonder why anyone tries].

And in this thread, the "this is how I play the game, leave me alone" arguement is invalid, b/c the way you play the game is forcing others to play how they don't want to... so what about them? I know you can't satisfy everyone, it's an ugly truth, but don't try to bring this arguement up b/c all you are saying is that you are better than the others. Ex: Jedi were all mighty, death wielding, glowbat throwing killing machines before they were "balanced" to CB before everyone else... they were fine how they were, that is how they played, but it was adversly affecting others, so it was changed.

Buffs are adversly affecting every person in this game, whether or not you want to admit it. If you can't admit it, you didn't play [or at least pick up a weapon] before they became powerful. SWG was alot more fun before buffs were the cure for mortality. Thus, they will be changed, money whoring buffers [once again I feel the need to point out that buffing is a horrible source of credits, especially if you buy the packs] will drop Doc, and real Docs will go about their lives b/c chances are they weren't public buffers anyways.

Last and foremost, it really doesn't matter what any of us think/want/do, the changes have already been determined at this point, CB Beta is taking registrations, and all we can do is sit back, wait and listen for the whine of a thousand souls when we find out we have to group with other people b/c of a collective "rebalance" [nerf] of armor/buffs/[insert game system here] resulting in a global nerf of everything known to the SWG universe.

Message Edited by pircio on 10-31-2004 06:41 PM