Doctor Archive
Thread: Unwanted Buff
Cailid010
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:58 am
#27
Elzaa-Itu wrote:
rofl.. banned for griefing? FOR BUFFING YOU?
give me a break.. seriously, don't you all realize how stupid you sound?
how is that POSSIBLY griefing?
and how the hell did he buff you?
last time i checked you had to be grouped or have /consentin order to be buffed
Do you realize how stupid you sound?
There is no requirement that you be grouped or give consent to receive buffs. Maybe next time you should actually check it instead of merely saying you did.
And it's griefing because the people that do this are doing so with the intent of stopping the tumbler. The tumbler is doing nothing that interferes with the doctors gameplay yet the doctor is going out of his way to intentionally interfere withthe tumblersgameplay. That is a bannable offense.
If you don't like people that tumble then just put them on ignore.
Flippa
Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:11 am
#28
Marrow
Unless it was you that one starred me or called me stupid I haven't accused you in any way of flaming me, yes your opinion differs from mine and I respect that.
Although it's only 45 FP and who cares about that right? It's still the principle of the matter.
Like I said maybe it's me being over sensitive but like I said I cam here to ask opinions before doing anything and now I have those opinions plus the certain members of the community calling me stupid, I'll go back to playing and not give a hoot when people do things to my character without my say so, or even giving me the chance.
Man I would love to see an image designer turn someone into a fat old bast who's balding and has big ears, nose and mouth whilst they're logging into the game. But hey who would care when all he has to do is get another ID to overwrite those changes, the ID gets his/her XP and everyones happy including the bald fat bast sitting in the ID tent waiting for the next ID to come in 
See my point?
Riboflavin3234
Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:30 am
#29
Wow if buffing people that dont asked to be buffed is something that can get you banned then the DEvs should be hunting me down and attempting to kill me. When i grinded doc(when i could buff people) and Combat Medic(when i was master doc) i use to run around coronet and theed randomly buffing people for xp. I would get a few confused people asking me what i was doing and i would explain i was just buffin for xp and they didnt mind, once in awhile i would get the crazies that would flip out like "OMG why did you buff me now i have to die or wait 2 hours* those people i would explain that my 1.2 k buff can easily be overbuffed by a doc with stronger buffs. That would calm them down
But seriously freakin out about being buffed is well sad, are you bored or something? Or did you plan on tumbling or something? seriously only reason a random doc buff bothers you is one of the following two things i just said bored or planed on tumbling.
I gurantee that buffing someone randomly well not get youbanned at all, seriously there are other things that are more bannable offences then randomly buffing someone. Please stop freakin out over nothing and get back to tumbling.... i mean killing gnorts
Galoopa
Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:04 am
#30
It would be nice for people to check with the buffee before applying buffs. Having worked my way up through Doc grouping and healing with people on hunts, healing entertainers, and hanging out in Med centers for hours, everyone that let me give them a crappy 800 point buff has a special place in my heart. I try to return the favor when a novice Doc is trying to get the extra xp, it's easy to throw my buffs on top. However, if I'm in the shuttle port on my way to a non buff duel, yes some of us do this to make it more interesting, the random buff thrown on me is really annoying. This means I have to die before I can participate in the duel. Which means I either take a hit for decay from some MOB or take a hit in FP from a PC. So it can be a real pain when some well meaning person does this. If you are looking for some xp, check before you buff, and if you are buffing tumblers, get over it and move on. The people grinding medic, cm, or doc, aren't going to be a threat to your business as you will have access to better buffs and have an established name. If they get to Master Doc faster than it took other people, oh well, for some people the end of the journey is more important than the journey itself.
LaserDood
Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:23 pm
#31
I keep hearing people say you have to die or waitto remove the buffs...I believe a /sit followed bya /logout wait a couple minutes, log in does the same thing with much less wear and tear on equipment and body. Still annoying, but every bit as effective.
Flippa
Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:27 pm
#32
LaserDood wrote:
I keep hearing people say you have to die or waitto remove the buffs...I believe a /sit followed bya /logout wait a couple minutes, log in does the same thing with much less wear and tear on equipment and body. Still annoying, but every bit as effective.
It doesn't do the same thing. All that does is remove the buff from the monitor window press ctrl+c and you will see the buff there. You won't have a clue when it's gonna expire though 
Cygnusx11
Sat Jun 12, 2004 12:47 am
#33
I dont agree with most of you....
Thumbler, IMO, is an exploit. that`s it, thats all`...
An accepted exploit but still one....
Im MD and i admit, i used the thumbler technic. with one of my friend in MY HOUSE. But i used other technic too (Cantina, Med Center etc.)
When poeples says that it does not arm any other docs.... WRONG....
It become too easy to master this prof...with the thumbling u can become Master med/masterDoc in 3 or 4 days...easy..(even shorter)
Most of the docs who will buff the sec. stat. are probably doing big money with the public buffing..
And having 10 Master Doc in Coronet piss them off... (probably).
I say.. if u wanna thumble... while the devs dont do anything to stop that.... do it in your house with a friend.. u wont be disturb by anybody...
If u wanna thumble (use an exploit in front of everybody ) ina public place... u have to shut up and live with the fact that some of the docs dont like this technic and will buff ur secondary attribute....
And for the report thing..... hahaha..... if im banned from this game cause i buffed a guy without his permission.... lol well so be it....
i will have time to try other games....
Maegi
Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:59 am
#34
Elzaa-Itu wrote:
rofl.. banned for griefing? FOR BUFFING YOU?
give me a break.. seriously, don't you all realize how stupid you sound?
how is that POSSIBLY griefing?
and how the hell did he buff you?
last time i checked you had to be grouped or have /consentin order to be buffed
Elzaa-Itu wrote:
let's see what the good ol dictionary has to say on this
grief:
Deep mental anguish, as that arising from bereavement.
Are you telling me that this caused you deep mental anguish? Lol..
Ok i know that example was a bit extreme, but, grief in mmorpgs is to follow someone around and making his gaming expirience less enjoyable and not stop when asked to, it's just a different word for harassing. This person didn't do that on any level, he did not ruin your gaming expirience by buffing you, it doesn't make xp harder to get for you or anything like that, and he wasn't either continually doing it, and he even tried to help you (offered to DB you to get rid of the buff).
[I retort...]Are you even a novice medic? Ever seen a Master Medic/Doc badge? It's fairly obvious you have absolutely no idea what garbage you're spewing forth from that gaping food disposal unit. I advise you to clam up and stop trolling this thread as you're doing nothing but making yourself look stupid (as PC as I can call it - there're many 'harsher' things I could call you that are just as apt.)
Ninja-buffing by itself is no offense, never has been and never will be. It was actually used as a tactic by some Imps on Tempest, uber-low power buffs with uber-high endurace were placed on know rebel pvpers in the buff queue. CSR's were consulted and yelled at, they were told it was not an issue. This was pre-buff-overs (obviously).
Buffing the secondaries on tumblers however is griefing. That tumbler is providing a service to the medics healing him, however you may look down on it as 'cheapening the profession' or whatever, it is still a service provided by this customer. If you buff the secondaries on a tumbler, he then turns around, heads to your house and through some nefarious means, destroys your vendor with all its goods on it, you'd be pissed, right? Well by buffing his secondaries, you basically just did that to him. Tumbling provides a (relatively) small income, people get tipped, they make money. Who are you to say it's not right, who are you to take matters such as this into your own hands? Not only are you hurting the tumblers pocketbook, you're hurting the medics healing away, in a small way you're hurting the economy of your server by disrupting and preventing competition (for further explanations on economic theory - read a GD book).
Simple manners suggest that you ask someone before applying a sub-standard buff to them, and the vigilante 'justice' of selfish doctors can, has and will result in warnings/temp bans.
The doc was in the wrong, simple as that. You know it, he knows it. Drop it - no need to report him.
I myself must confess to being a ninja buffer of afk tumblers, I run into the med center, apply a +2000 3.5 hour buff to their primary action bar and /flee. So far i've logged back on and been greeted with 6 or 7 mails, all from bank tipping me 2-5k, some from the tumblers, some from the Docs healing away. Tumblers area good thing, as are the multitudes of would-be-Doctors healing them.
Peace.
Message Edited by Maegi on 06-12-2004 05:01 AM
dangermouse69
Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:58 am
#35
when i was starting out tumbling was my primary source of income i couldnt fight anything cause i kept dying i had no help or armor at the time tumbling was very important to me so i believe it is for the ones currently doing atm.
secondly,
1500 buff when i wasnt a master i was able to buy 1.9k buff packs and randomly buffed ppl shortly after i did ask instead of doing it like others had said here and can be easily overwritten and they guy was probably getting xp like he said.
it is awesome xp with the 1.9k buffs i was getting like 7k xp for every full set i gave ppl
it really didnt hurt how you wanted to play the game cause if you wanted better buffs a master could redue and if you didnt he offered to db and rez you so either way you still would have played the game the way you wanted and you helped someone out bye letting them get xp
Flynn_Nomad
Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:34 am
#36
Maegi wrote:
Buffing the secondaries on tumblers however is griefing. That tumbler is providing a service to the medics healing him, however you may look down on it as 'cheapening the profession' or whatever, it is still a service provided by this customer. If you buff the secondaries on a tumbler, he then turns around, heads to your house and through some nefarious means, destroys your vendor with all its goods on it, you'd be pissed, right? Well by buffing his secondaries, you basically just did that to him. Tumbling provides a (relatively) small income, people get tipped, they make money. Who are you to say it's not right, who are you to take matters such as this into your own hands? Not only are you hurting the tumblers pocketbook, you're hurting the medics healing away, in a small way you're hurting the economy of your server by disrupting and preventing competition (for further explanations on economic theory - read a GD book).
Listen, I am not saying what is right and what is wrong, play the game how you wish.
BUT It just really AMAZES me how you are speaking of tumbling as if it were a profession in itself!!!! ("That tumbler is providing a service to the medics healing him") ROFL!
Tumbling is not some sort of profession to be defended! It is a gameplay method!
Tumbling WAS NOT EVER! intended by the developers of this game to provide income to the person tumbling OR a quick method of gaining experience by medics and doctors!
(as you compared it to a MERCHANT losing items of a vendor. MERCHANT is a DESIGNED profession in this game, (and your 'greifing' example of "heads to your house and through some nefarious means, destroys your vendor with all its goods on it"does not and can not happen in the game (point being if it could happen, then we would deal with it)
Tumble if you wish. BUT DO NOT act like its a profession, with the same rights asREAL professions.
Doctor is a REAL profession.
Buffing is a designed element in the game.
Buffing has not been designed to ask for permission. It's initial problem of NOT being able to override a buff has been corrected.
This INTENDED feature (buffing) is hampering peoples UNINTENDED PLAYSTYLE (tumbling) and there fore intended should rule over unintended.
Play how you wish, BUT REMEMBER!
Tumbling WAS NOT EVER! intended by the developers of this game to provide income to the person tumbling OR a quick method of gaining experience by medics and doctors!
Message Edited by Flynn_Nomad on 06-12-2004 09:36 AM
Flynn_Nomad
Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:39 am
#37
Maegi wrote:
Simple manners suggest that you ask someone before applying a sub-standard buff to them, and the vigilante 'justice' of selfish doctors can, has and will result in warnings/temp bans.
Peace.
Message Edited by Maegi on 06-12-2004 05:01 AM
LOL!
NO THEY WONT! and NO THEY HAVEN'T!! (stop lying to scare people)
TaeRocko
Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:21 am
#38
KamaKuro wrote:I personally would be annoyed if they were like 2500 for 3.5 hours, but 1.5k is pretty low when it comes to buffs..
Hmmm...I will now go on Kama hunts armed with my trusty R3 and bivoli.
Fear the Ducky Kama, fear the Ducky.
-tae
Demonssword
Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:55 am
#39
Ok, maybe the guy only had buff packs for seconary buffs.
The reason why he could have been a low level doc doing this was that you can have the wound treatment ability and the skill to use level 90 buff pack.
No idea why he or she denyed it.
As staited they could be overbuffed, but yeah i dont like it.
he couldnt buff you after you were logged out as when you are LD no one can buff you, med you or shoot you. (some people use this in PVP by using the disconect button, moments before they would get killed. So he couldnt have cured your desease.
If you had these buffs when you came back online they were done as you came online as if you log back in other than by game crash you lose your buffs (much to my annoyment at times if the server dies)
Depending how long it was till you logged back in, the desease should have gone, as most monster deseases only take 1-2 hours to go. And player ones last about 10 mins maybe 15 mins.
With tumblers and entertainers, i have during training given action buffs, but i dont do the sub stats as that annoys the healers, but it makes them last longer and also have more points avalable to heal.
Also about earning the XP, even if he or she was a master doc. They might have either wanted to gain enough XP to top them up to full again, OR maybe they were working on becoming a CM aswell, so needed the XP for that.