Doctor Archive
Thread: Unwanted Buff
Sadlateen
Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:40 am
#14
Truth is tumblers do not hurt anybodys play may not like it but it dosnt hurt you. but buffing to stop tumblers is rude and gets in the way of others game play and is griefing. and I can not see any honest reason to just buff a sencondary other then to grief. if it was for skill gain it would of been a full set (lord knows of your trying to gain skill you do all you can with each person) But thats just me,
Flynn_Nomad
Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:27 am
#15
Cailid010 wrote:
If that doctor thought you were a tumbler and buffed you to stop it, he could be banned for griefing. Buffing tumblers is nothing more than a petty, small minded griefing tactic. They have no right to do so. Tumbling has no effect on their gameplay.
NO they can't!
Would you stop saying that!
No one has ever been banned for an unwanted buff.
Sheesh!
Argue if you must, but stop the lies.
Dejik
Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:30 am
#16
technically yes and technically no on that ban thing....There have been TEMP bans for these griefing acts, but no permanent ones.
MasterMind013
Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:33 am
#17
I, myself, have only been a Master Doctor for about 3 weeks but I have seen the tumblers. I have been on both sides of the stimpack. I am working on collecting all the stuff I need for great stimpacks. And right now, the only thing I can make are Actions that are decent. So I use my actions to buff the tumblers. I WILL NOT buff secondary stats because they end up hurting the tumblers because they make them heal themselves.
Now... do I think tumbling is right? No, it's not really waht it was designed for but much of this will go away with publish 10 so I do what I can to help the grinders, tumblers and new docs. And I enjoy it.
But it's definately not right to grief the tumblers by doing secondary stats. You are doing nothing but hurting the people that you may need some day.
Now... do I think tumbling is right? No, it's not really waht it was designed for but much of this will go away with publish 10 so I do what I can to help the grinders, tumblers and new docs. And I enjoy it.
But it's definately not right to grief the tumblers by doing secondary stats. You are doing nothing but hurting the people that you may need some day.
Flippa
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:04 am
#19
Marrow1 wrote:
I heal people all the time without being asked. I am a m. doc, don't need the xp, but have a freakin ton of meds so I try to help out where I can. Should I be concerned that someone my start yelling at me for healing them without being asked? Heck no.
If someone has slapped a cure disease on you when you first walked into the med center without asking you would you have started yelling at them?
You should know that a 1500 power is about the right amount for a doc using a good pack but who is not a master yet (ie med use below 100). A 800ish pack with med use 75 will hit for about 1500. So the doc you just bitched at could have been telling the trueth and just buffed you to get the xp. He could have buffed you for free for the same reason the medics healed your wounds for free.
If the guy was willing to DB you and rez you then it sounds like he was trying to make up for any precieved grief.
IMO you over reacted and could have handled things better. I was not there of couse and could be wrong.
Your opinion for overreacting is coming onto these boards and talking about it? I have not named this doc or even reported him, how is that overreacting?
Thanks for the 1 star btw 
(whoever that was)
Also say for example this doc was an opposite faction to me I would have to lose FP just for him to put right what he did? Thats wrong... The doc was wrong simple as that.
I always tip my healers and I always pay my way whatever the situation. I take non-master doc buffs because 9 times out of 10 they just aren't needed. (MDoc buffs not buffs in general)
And yes when I went into the hospital I did expect to be a. cured of disease and b. have my wounds healed... thats what hospitals are supposed to be for.
As it stands i get griefed then come to the doc forums to talk about it and get 1 starred.Nice community 
Unique_Handle
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:29 am
#20
Flippa wrote:
Marrow1 wrote:I heal people all the time without being asked. I am a m. doc, don't need the xp, but have a freakin ton of meds so I try to help out where I can. Should I be concerned that someone my start yelling at me for healing them without being asked? Heck no.If someone has slapped a cure disease on you when you first walked into the med center without asking you would you have started yelling at them?You should know that a 1500 power is about the right amount for a doc using a good pack but who is not a master yet (ie med use below 100). A 800ish pack with med use 75 will hit for about 1500. So the doc you just bitched at could have been telling the trueth and just buffed you to get the xp. He could have buffed you for free for the same reason the medics healed your wounds for free.If the guy was willing to DB you and rez you then it sounds like he was trying to make up for any precieved grief.IMO you over reacted and could have handled things better. I was not there of couse and could be wrong.Your opinion for overreacting is coming onto these boards and talking about it? I have not named this doc or even reported him, how is that overreacting?
Thanks for the 1 star btw
Also say for example this doc was an opposite faction to me I would have to lose FP just for him to put right what he did? Thats wrong... The doc was wrong simple as that.
I always tip my healers and I always pay my way whatever the situation. I take non-master doc buffs because 9 times out of 10 they just aren't needed. (MDoc buffs not buffs in general)
And yes when I went into the hospital I did expect to be a. cured of disease and b. have my wounds healed... thats what hospitals are supposed to be for.
As it stands i get griefed then come to the doc forums to talk about it and get 1 starred. Nice community
You know, he could very well have done it for the exp.
When I got doc 0420 (or is it 0240) so i could buff, I hit 1450 with average packs, bivoli and bio'ed clothes.
I then went up to 1600 buffs on the same packs, and at 0440 I was giving away free 1800buffs.
Then at master, these same buffs hit 2300
Anyways, point being, I had the money to spend on good packs to just throw away, as well as bivoli etc, so 1500buffs are in my opinion NOT master doc buffs, and it IS very possible that he was infact doing it for exp.
Just so you know, the higher you hit with the buffs, thje more exp you get, which is why I was using bivoli.
Personally, I just sat down in the starport and gave away my buffs, but I know a lot of people who would just run around and randomly buff people.
99.9% of all people dont care if they get a free 1400 - 1600 buff, because they arent tumbling and they know that any doc will buff over those... so it won't affect them (might even help them), and the doc gets nice exp.
I think the reason you aren't getting any support, atleast this is the case for me, is because you weren't tumbling. You made the assumption that the person who buffed you thought you were tumbling, but you know what, it is extremly easy to see if someone is tumbling or not... In any case, I'd actually agree with you if you were tumbling, but as you weren't, this made no difference to you, and you might just have helped someone get some exp.. be happy about it instead and let it go
Elzaa-Itu
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:36 am
#21
rofl.. banned for griefing? FOR BUFFING YOU?
give me a break.. seriously, don't you all realize how stupid you sound?
how is that POSSIBLY griefing?
and how the hell did he buff you?
last time i checked you had to be grouped or have /consentin order to be buffed
Flippa
Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:42 am
#22
Elzaa-Itu wrote:
rofl.. banned for griefing? FOR BUFFING YOU?
give me a break.. seriously, don't you all realize how stupid you sound?
how is that POSSIBLY griefing?
and how the hell did he buff you?
last time i checked you had to be grouped or have /consentin order to be buffed
I never said i wanted him banned...
It is griefing however.
No you don't need to be grouped or either consent... that resurrecting dead players.
Erithil
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:17 am
#23
My short answer on this is: no, you shouldn't report him for griefing.
My long answer is:
Clearly this guy was taking justice into his own hands by buffing you to prevent you from tumbling to give medic xp, even if that isn't what you were doing. It wasn't like he was being nice and giving you a free buff; he was simply being a jerk. Unfortuantely there are jerks all over this game in varying degrees. I would advise you not to become one by overreacting to this, as tempting as it is. What he intended to do was mess up your tumbling. What he actually did was give you a nice secondary stat, and lie to you about his motives. You weren't hurt by this, so try to keep that in perspective.
We are treadding on dangerous ground here by suggesting that medics and doctors, and any player in general, is griefing someone simply by doing something to someone else without permission. Think of the multitude of things people do for others without permission:
-heal damage of newbies fighting in the outskirts of towns
-heal wounds in medical centers (as has been mentioned)
-healing damage of entertainers in cantinas
-assist in combat against mobs (yes, some cases this actually *is* griefing)
-cure poison and disease
-drag corpses (this may only be a group action, I can't remember atm)
Folks, this is a social game. We have to interact with each other, whether we like it or not. The idea here is (just like in real life) we should do our best to be polite and courteous. Unfortunately thanks to the annonymity the internet gives us, sometimes we are nastier than we would otherwise be. We are offended much quicker than we should be. And we are vindictive when we shouldn't be under any circumstances.
Don't answer a wrong with another wrong. You explained yourself to this guy and he apparently /ignored you. Hopefully he now understands that not everyone is a tumbler. But hopefully you understand that while he was a jerk, reporting him is kind of a severe response for getting 2,500 quickness for 3 hours without asking. Whether we like it or not, tumbling is an accepted system in the game for grinding xp...it's no different than practice mode for crafting or running missions or clicking on vendors without buying stuff. People cannot take justice into their own hands and try to interfere with those doing what they are allowed. But it please consider that he didn't do that to you...you weren't tumbling, so even if his intent was there, he didn't actually commit any grief on you. Annyoing, yes. Worthy of reporting, I think no.
Elzaa-Itu
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:19 am
#24
let's see what the good ol dictionary has to say on this
grief:
Deep mental anguish, as that arising from bereavement.
Are you telling me that this caused you deep mental anguish? Lol..
Ok i know that example was a bit extreme, but, grief in mmorpgs is to follow someone around and making his gaming expirience less enjoyable and not stop when asked to, it's just a different word for harassing. This person didn't do that on any level, he did not ruin your gaming expirience by buffing you, it doesn't make xp harder to get for you or anything like that, and he wasn't either continually doing it, and he even tried to help you (offered to DB you to get rid of the buff).
Flippa
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:49 am
#25
Kalavar
Thanks for your reply, like i said I haven't reported him or even named him. Nor shall I.
I think the original idea of my post was to see what everyone else thought about this and from the majority of your replies it seems I'm in the wrong for even suggesting this person was out of line. From now on I'll stick to just trying to help rather than try to figure out whats right and whats wrong in this game as my views are way off.
And I really don't think applying dictionary definitions to MMORPG slang helps, this person did harass me even before I entered the game, he gave me no chance to ask him to stop and I'm not risking losing FP just because someone decided to take matters into his own hands. This is all IMO of course which wasall I was askingthe comunity for in the first place. Instead I post get called stupid and 1 starred. Again nice communty
(Theoreticaly Had I'd been a tumbler would this be considered griefing then, because he stopped me doing what I wanted to do?)
Marrow1
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:56 am
#26
Flippa,
1. I have nerver 1 stared a post, ever.
2. I said you over reacted in that you seem to have gotten rather all worked up over nothing, IMO. If this is the level of what you would call a grief then man, I hope you never PvP.
3. Loss of faction? Come on, its a grand 45 points. Even if he was from the other faction and you could not afford the great cost of 45 fp then I am sure someone from your faction could havekilled you.
4. You asked for my opinion as a doc regarding the matter so don't get pissed when mine does not agree with your.
Please don't get me wrong, I do not support buffing someone to prevent them from tumbling.