Doctor Archive
Thread: On 10k buffs and fair pricing...
Dragonian
Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:24 am
#27
Regressive tax? If you're working the marksman trees and/or scout trees, you should NOT need buffs. It might take you a few sessions to make a novice elite but hey, did you really want to get there intantly?
Even with buffs, in 2.5 - 3 hours you should be able to just about make any novice elite and complete 15-18 missions, pulling down 25k-33k easy squeezy.
The only time you should be using buffs to get through a novice profession is if you're already established and have a decent bank roll. Otherwise you end up blowing through a lot of fun and some very informational experience. Learning how to deal with mobs without buffs can come in very handy.
Personally, I don't buff the public. Too many self-important l33t @sshats out there for my taste. But if I did, I'd do the same as I did when I was an Armorsmith. Charge a fair but market value. If my costs go up because the cost of avian goes into orbit then I'd raise my prices. For the amount of BS that docs go through buffing, 10k is too little. I don't see why they put up with it.
If the demand is there, prices like 20-50k for a buff set (regardless of quality) is perfectly fair. If an @sshat accosts you, don't hesitate to /addignore them and don't hesitate to /report them if they really get ugly.
All in all, it's not JUST about resource costs. Y'all are providing a service and your personal time. That time is worth something. Charge for it.
I'm not a master doc. With my BE cloths and my droid and buying my meds, I can manage about 2000+ with bivoli. I'd be willing to bet that if I sat at the Corolag starport with my tag up and my droid out with the occasional '/announce 2000+ buffs, 2.5 hours, 50k, little or no wait', that I'd still get all the business I'd care to have.
Of course I'd probably have to have a hot key'd macro to quickly /addignore the @sshats
Even with buffs, in 2.5 - 3 hours you should be able to just about make any novice elite and complete 15-18 missions, pulling down 25k-33k easy squeezy.
The only time you should be using buffs to get through a novice profession is if you're already established and have a decent bank roll. Otherwise you end up blowing through a lot of fun and some very informational experience. Learning how to deal with mobs without buffs can come in very handy.
Personally, I don't buff the public. Too many self-important l33t @sshats out there for my taste. But if I did, I'd do the same as I did when I was an Armorsmith. Charge a fair but market value. If my costs go up because the cost of avian goes into orbit then I'd raise my prices. For the amount of BS that docs go through buffing, 10k is too little. I don't see why they put up with it.
If the demand is there, prices like 20-50k for a buff set (regardless of quality) is perfectly fair. If an @sshat accosts you, don't hesitate to /addignore them and don't hesitate to /report them if they really get ugly.
All in all, it's not JUST about resource costs. Y'all are providing a service and your personal time. That time is worth something. Charge for it.
I'm not a master doc. With my BE cloths and my droid and buying my meds, I can manage about 2000+ with bivoli. I'd be willing to bet that if I sat at the Corolag starport with my tag up and my droid out with the occasional '/announce 2000+ buffs, 2.5 hours, 50k, little or no wait', that I'd still get all the business I'd care to have.
Of course I'd probably have to have a hot key'd macro to quickly /addignore the @sshats
fugazzz
Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:28 am
#28
it's economics/free market...if you can afford to sell them for 8k or even lower...that's your choice. If you are content to offer service with smaller profit or larger profit, that's fine. My prices are always based ona few factors (in no particular order):
A) my break even cost
B) my current stock of packs
C) quality of stock
D) demand
E) my in-game plans
F) competition
Setting a price at 10k in all occasions may work for some...doesn't work for me. I'll go weeks without buffing anyone, then do a shift for 8K as I sit at the PC doing some other work on my laptop, other times 12K on dantooine, freebies for new players trying to progress...
what works for some, may not work for others.
Bad_Bad_Leroy
Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:05 pm
#29
It's very hard to collect 60,000 units of herbivore meatand 45,000 units ofavian to make 4 crates of eachenhance packon each run, not to mention all the other rare resources you need from all across the galaxy. Also, the other crafters in the game have a single line ofartisan as a prereq, which gives them surveying,while we have to master medic and cannot survey without artisan. It takes docs 63 more skill points than other crafters to become self sufficient harvester/crafters. We also have only two sellable items; Stim-B's and Enhances, so we do need to charge what we can for them.
MyT_Chicken wrote:
Nephunthias wrote:
Hi,
a buff set it's not easy to make, asking for 10k for a full buff is not even close of the realy price, to me, for a full buff it should be 50k or more.
Nephunthias
LoL...buffs are 1000000000000000 times easier to make then 90% of the craftable stuff in this game. I did all my own Harvesting and I could pump out 100 of each buff almost everytime I would make a run.
Message Edited by Bad_Bad_Leroy on 07-14-2004 04:16 PM
CyrrinOsii
Wed Jul 14, 2004 3:02 pm
#30
I buy my packs cause it is less costly than paying up to 50cpu for good avian meat. Mine hit 2474 for 3.25 hours, action is 2535 for 3.5 hours. I charge 10k and people laugh at me, mainly other docs on my server that get pissed cause their buffs are worse than mine (2300 for 3 hours) yet they are asking up to 15k for a set. They start sending me tells and bitching cause I'm undercutting them. I have actually stopped buffing anyone except guildies. There are a few exceptions, but they are rare. I've grown tired of the BS. I decided to do Doc to help my guild, not make abutt ton of credits. I recently started combat medic as well to use range stims. The fact that our (Doc) stims are good for what 5m. I plan on again being the exception by using my poisons and such for like guild hunts and such. Same with the ranged stims. This is not a PvP alt. My combat alt is TKM. I like Doc, will always be a Master Doc and for what it's worth, People here are correct. maybe we should start charging 20k+ for buffs that hit over 2400 to all stats. See how many lines and demand there is after reality sets in.
/endrant
Sorry for the long post. Just tired of noob doctors on Chilly thinking they are gods and pushing the few Docs who enjoy the profession away from it.
/endrant
Sorry for the long post. Just tired of noob doctors on Chilly thinking they are gods and pushing the few Docs who enjoy the profession away from it.
MyT_Chicken
Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:48 am
#31
Nephunthias wrote:
Hi,
a buff set it's not easy to make, asking for 10k for a full buff is not even close of the realy price, to me, for a full buff it should be 50k or more.
Nephunthias
LoL...buffs are 1000000000000000 times easier to make then 90% of the craftable stuff in this game. I did all my own Harvesting and I could pump out 100 of each buff almost everytime I would make a run. The only reason price for buffs is up like it is...is simple because there is a demand for it. Not because the buffs are hard to make its because people can't get it through their thick ass heads that they CAN survive without buffs.
Another reason buffs are so high is because the people that get resources for Doctors charge an Arm and a Leg for the stuff the gather. Which is just another reason not to be a Buff bot. Get your own resources....buff only your friends...and you will see by actually running missions you can make 50% more credits then you could even make buffing in CNet. Buffs wouldn't even cost 10k if the "Hologrind" didn't happen.
Ha...Buffs hard to make Yeah right.
Nephunthias
Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:49 am
#32
Hi,
Just remember one thing, you ask for 10k or 15k for a complet buff and the costumer complains but in the 2:30h or 3h of the buff the costumer can get 1.2 Millions so... 15k is that much to pay? for the love of god!!!!
btw doing GOOD buffs is hard, very, doing whatever buffs or crapy buffs is very easy and fast but if you realy want to do the best buff packs it will cost you alot of time, resources and explorer, most thing that you cannot have most this days.
Nephunthias
Just remember one thing, you ask for 10k or 15k for a complet buff and the costumer complains but in the 2:30h or 3h of the buff the costumer can get 1.2 Millions so... 15k is that much to pay? for the love of god!!!!
btw doing GOOD buffs is hard, very, doing whatever buffs or crapy buffs is very easy and fast but if you realy want to do the best buff packs it will cost you alot of time, resources and explorer, most thing that you cannot have most this days.
Nephunthias
Greenbulb
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:24 pm
#33
Nephunthias wrote:
Hi,
Just remember one thing, you ask for 10k or 15k for a complet buff and the costumer complains but in the 2:30h or 3h of the buff the costumer can get 1.2 Millions so... 15k is that much to pay? for the love of god!!!!
btw doing GOOD buffs is hard, very, doing whatever buffs or crapy buffs is very easy and fast but if you realy want to do the best buff packs it will cost you alot of time, resources and explorer, most thing that you cannot have most this days.
Nephunthias
*clap clap clap*
Bladius
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:46 pm
#34
That settles it...from what I have read in the Doc forums and my own personal experience...I am going to start charging 20k per buff for ones 2200+....I invite the rest of doc community to step and start making some real money and reap the rewards for the all the we have done.
DKora
Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:00 pm
#35
Bladius wrote:
That settles it...from what I have read in the Doc forums and my own personal experience...I am going to start charging 20k per buff for ones 2200+....I invite the rest of doc community to step and start making some real money and reap the rewards for the all the we have done.
I already do and peeps lineup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
allgoodnamestaken
Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:33 pm
#36
Crafting is no easier from one trade to another. I don't know where people get the idea that one is "easier" than the other, making mid range weapons and armouris as easy as mid range meds.
Yes people can survive without buffs, they know it but they don't want to have to group unbuffed to kill what they can solo buffed. Greed is the driving force, not of the doctors however. Well maybe some but most charge 10k, which IMO is undercharging ass from that price you cover the cost of:
-buying(as most starters do) buff packs
-buying bivoli
-buying havla(some use this)
-cover the expenses of stims/wound packs that people think grow on trees
- covering the stockpile of resources(for future crafting)
-covering the start up cost of getting BE clothes to buff
-the cost of skill tapes for crafting
-the apron for crafting
-my gross amount of time sitting there serving other while they get returns 100x greater than mine.
why do I buff again?
As it stands I rarely public buff, I do buff people in my group and friends. Most of the time in public things go like this...receive tell, answer to price, receive complaint, refund cash, /pointat other doctor, /tell enjoy, /addignore.
Charge what you want, people will pay. Alot of Doctors out there have a combat profession as well and rarely *need* to publicly buff for creds.
DKora
Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:35 am
#37
allgoodnamestaken wrote:
Crafting is no easier from one trade to another. I don't know where people get the idea that one is "easier" than the other, making mid range weapons and armouris as easy as mid range meds.
Yes people can survive without buffs, they know it but they don't want to have to group unbuffed to kill what they can solo buffed. Greed is the driving force, not of the doctors however. Well maybe some but most charge 10k, which IMO is undercharging ass from that price you cover the cost of:
-buying(as most starters do) buff packs
-buying bivoli
-buying havla(some use this)
-cover the expenses of stims/wound packs that people think grow on trees
- covering the stockpile of resources(for future crafting)
-covering the start up cost of getting BE clothes to buff
-the cost of skill tapes for crafting
-the apron for crafting
-my gross amount of time sitting there serving other while they get returns 100x greater than mine.
why do I buff again?
As it stands I rarely public buff, I do buff people in my group and friends. Most of the time in public things go like this...receive tell, answer to price, receive complaint, refund cash, /pointat other doctor, /tell enjoy, /addignore.
Charge what you want, people will pay. Alot of Doctors out there have a combat profession as well and rarely *need* to publicly buff for creds.
MAN....I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad that some people get it!! Great POST!!!
DKora
Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:36 am
#38
Revan01 wrote:
min is like 12k on corbantis, im still charging 8k though, i do belive in fair pricing
Fair pricing is 20k+
Mitaku
Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:07 am
#39
Revan01 wrote:
min is like 12k on corbantis, im still charging 8k though, i do belive in fair pricing
lol you call this fair pricing? maybe back in november. Anyways Im also on Corbantis I once had a 25+ line charginat 15k ...soon I think im going to move to 20K just cause its such an f'ing hassle to buff ppl, answer tel, shrug off complaints, etc...if you think 8k does that for you...well yeah...
-Mitaku