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Thread: Doctor abuse :)

jcow79
Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:21 am
#27








/agree


I wear my title 95% of the time. I love being a doctor. I love being able to give additional support with the group Im with by giving heal orrez on long hunting trips or while at some dungeon. I actually enjoy the crafting process. What I dont like is the presumption that it is "my job", the tells harassing because I told them "no" they couldnt get an enhancement, or my favourite "I dont have 10k for the buff, how about 4k."


However, its not my job to heal. Its my choice. Whether or not I am sporting the title I worked so hard forit is still my choice.







You can still fulfill your complete duty and earn the respect and admiration of your teammates without advertising to others nearby that you are a doctor. But since you've said you only wear your tag 95% of the time I have hope that perhaps you are one of the true professionals that is removing it when you don't intend on providing it. Saying, "What I dont like is the presumption that it is "my job", " I don't see this as a presumption rather than you "implying" that it is your job.





'Josh on Ahazi server
-Obsidian Order-
-7410 -959 Obsidian Pointe on Dantooine
LordOfFatness
Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:22 am
#28

I can understand your points, and I agree somewhat. I hardly ever wear my title. I just don't think it is my job to buff/resuscitate someone (hence I don't wear the title). That's not to say that I won't do it. I really just think that what doctors consider to be their job and what customers consider to be our job are two different things.
Travin64068
Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:32 am
#29

My problem has never been with people that send tells for buffs or rezes. My issue has been with people that don't take "No" for an answer, and this is the reason I have such a long No Heal list. In the original post ashief was just asking for a fair price for the large risk he would be taking, and was berated for it. For the record, I'm proud to be a Master Doctor and wear my title, but I am also set to be unsearchable. This keeps /tells down to only people that see me. And most people are understanding about the fact that you're doing something at the moment.


- Travin



Travin Greytin - Master Doctor - Master BE (12 point)
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jcow79
Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:33 am
#30

I also might add that I am not trying to tell Doctors what they HAVE to do. Obviously game mechanics allow you to play in whatever manner you please related to this issue. I'm simply suggesting some etiquette guide-lines that I feel would make both parties experience a lot more positive.



'Josh on Ahazi server
-Obsidian Order-
-7410 -959 Obsidian Pointe on Dantooine
Vermicious_Knid
Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:13 am
#31



jcow79 wrote:
Ok...so you wanna wear your title as a badge of honor? Fine by me. But some of you are b******* & moaning about the volume of tells you are reciving because such title is being worn. What do you expect?? Don't diss these people for sending you messages just because they are expecting you to do the job you are advertising.
Yes, crafters can often times not provide the services they are offering on the spot either but there are some factors that make their situation much different than yours. Some people are too lazy or too busy to go shop the vendors. Ratherthan have to go find what they are looking for for sale they insist that the nearest crafter make it for them ON THE SPOT. Well, the truth of the matter is MOST crafters don't sell stuff on the spot regardless. They have shops with vendors setup so people can go buy from those. The job of a crafter is much to busybetween collecting resources and working between factories to sit around waiting for a customer to walk up to them or send them atell requesting service.
For doctors on the other hand this is the complete OPPOSITE ofhow your business works.Now if you only SELL buffs to other doctors than your business will run much like a crafter but if you are like most doctors than your business happens right then and there withclients. This is how it works and this is how people EXPECT it to work.The other major difference is that doctor matters tend to be matters of "life&death" respectively. Someone isn't going to be DB'd because they don't have a house. But somoene incapped in the Geo cave is VERY likely to be DB'd or already DB'd and need the assistance of a doctor.Now you say you are SOOO proud you are a doctor and INSIST onwearing the title? Well if you can help sucha person I'd say you should.
I'm not saying run to the far reaches of a planet or even through hords ofdangerous mobs to rez someone. But don't just leave someone dead on the ground because"You're not rezzing people right now" Or refuse someone abuff in a dungeon because you're off duty. If you'renot wanting to play the role of doctor at the moment why wear the title in situations where people need it most?











It is this entitlement mentality that makes many of us not wear our tags.

If you "need it most" in any given situation, then BRING IT WITH YOU. It is your responsibility to arrange for buffs or ressurection if you're out adventuring, not that of whatever doctor you see in the dungeon and decide he now works for you. If you can't get a rez, clone. So what if your armor decays. I have replaced suit after suit of armor on my BH alternate after dying over time.

Many doctors also practice combat professions and may well have their hands full in a dungeon, or may be unable to get to you, or just may not feel like it.



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Vermicious_Knid
Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:16 am
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ashief
Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:40 am
#33

Wow Jcow and others have REALLY stretched my point. I wear my doctor title all the way. I have no problems providing my services. But I'm not going to go to areas I know I can't go if I'm going to die. Yes I'm a master Pike. But that does NOT mean I'm going to take 20 minutes work my way through several enhanced kwi's b/c some dude is down at the bottom of the caves lvling. If he wants a res he should take a doctor down there with him. B/c once he's rezzed he's gonna want a buff. Might as well clone and come back and buff. Easier than risking someone else to come down there for nothing. Furthermore, if I'm in the caves lvling and a someone NEAR me needs a res, reading I'm in the merc room with 10 friends getting exp. I'm not going to run to the cave entrance b/c 2 people were db'd. Thats my point. If rationale would dictate for me to perform one of my actions then I would. I think Jcow covered this at one point in his posts. But my main point is I'm not going to be STUPID and put myself at risk if its a situation I know I can't handle.

Furthermore I have every right to have my title on. Yes I'm providing those services, just maybe not for you!! Everyone has a price though, and thats why it is up. I spent 250k on some NICE med use 90 buff pakcs the other day b/c I'm going to drop doctor for 2 days to finish CH. I vowed not to use them except on me. Some guy offered me 50k per a buff. So i buffed him. Do I feel wrong for buffing someone for 50k at the caves? No, everyone has a price whether you want to admit it or not. So in short, I don't think its the doctor's unwillingness to provide services, its more whats in it for them. Hate to sound greedy but thats how it is. If someone offers me 200k I MIGHT go down to res them, but then again whats the purpose if as soon as I res them we both die? LOL Hope this provides some insight
jcow79
Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:40 am
#34






Vermicious_Knid wrote:





jcow79 wrote:

Ok...so you wanna wear your title as a badge of honor? Fine by me. But some of you are b******* & moaning about the volume of tells you are reciving because such title is being worn. What do you expect?? Don't diss these people for sending you messages just because they are expecting you to do the job you are advertising.

Yes, crafters can often times not provide the services they are offering on the spot either but there are some factors that make their situation much different than yours. Some people are too lazy or too busy to go shop the vendors. Ratherthan have to go find what they are looking for for sale they insist that the nearest crafter make it for them ON THE SPOT. Well, the truth of the matter is MOST crafters don't sell stuff on the spot regardless. They have shops with vendors setup so people can go buy from those. The job of a crafter is much to busybetween collecting resources and working between factories to sit around waiting for a customer to walk up to them or send them atell requesting service.

For doctors on the other hand this is the complete OPPOSITE ofhow your business works.Now if you only SELL buffs to other doctors than your business will run much like a crafter but if you are like most doctors than your business happens right then and there withclients. This is how it works and this is how people EXPECT it to work.The other major difference is that doctor matters tend to be matters of "life&death" respectively. Someone isn't going to be DB'd because they don't have a house. But somoene incapped in the Geo cave is VERY likely to be DB'd or already DB'd and need the assistance of a doctor.Now you say you are SOOO proud you are a doctor and INSIST onwearing the title? Well if you can help sucha person I'd say you should.

I'm not saying run to the far reaches of a planet or even through hords ofdangerous mobs to rez someone. But don't just leave someone dead on the ground because"You're not rezzing people right now" Or refuse someone abuff in a dungeon because you're off duty. If you'renot wanting to play the role of doctor at the moment why wear the title in situations where people need it most?






Is it so incredibly difficult to wear your BH tag in the dungeon instead? My point is simply if you INSIST on wearing thedoctor why would you feel so unobligated to practice the duties such tag implies that you provide? A tag is an advertisment; an advertisment of both what skills you can train and what skills you can provide. I don't feel it's badge of how uber cool you are and how hard you worked to achieve it.(Doc is not an incredibly difficultgrindcompared to some other professions.)


Let's put this in a context we could sympathize with. If you were trapped on the third floor of a burning building yelling for help out the window and a man with a ladder walks by and ask him, "Sir, can I borrow your ladder for a minute so I can escape from this burning building?" he replies "sorry, I'm really busy at the moment." What would be your reaction? Well, likely if I made it out of the building alive I would findsaid man and beat him within in inches of his life with said ladder.


Now of course this is only a "game" and no real inherent risks of death are included with this game so rather than being beat with ladders the doctors who are unwilling to help others are recieving harrassment in the form of /tell's. A toned down response that one feels when neglected by someone who could have helped.


You don't want to help people....fine. Do your own thing. The fewer people in a dungeon the more loot for you. Just don't advertise your services then! It will only invite the harrassers to harass. I'm sure people wearing their BH tag don't get a whole lot of /tells for a rez.







It is this entitlement mentality that makes many of us not wear our tags.

If you "need it most" in any given situation, then BRING IT WITH YOU. It is your responsibility to arrange for buffs or ressurection if you're out adventuring, not that of whatever doctor you see in the dungeon and decide he now works for you. If you can't get a rez, clone. So what if your armor decays. I have replaced suit after suit of armor on my BH alternate after dying over time.

Many doctors also practice combat professions and may well have their hands full in a dungeon, or may be unable to get to you, or just may not feel like it.










'Josh on Ahazi server
-Obsidian Order-
-7410 -959 Obsidian Pointe on Dantooine
Vermicious_Knid
Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:48 am
#35

It would be difficult to wear a bounty hunter tag on my doctor since, as I clearly stated, the bounty hunter is my alternate character.

Actually, Vermicious was a Master Doctor too before I dropped it because morons kept bugging me for buffs and heals.


Actually, my doctor char. wears a novice artisan tag to ward off the aforementioned morons.

However, IF I decide to wear my master doc tag, I will, and I will provide service only to those I feel like servicing. I made that character to run my vendors and to buff and heal ME, and I pay for the privelege. If I choose to help someone out or buff a guildmate, great. If I don't, I won't, and anyone who whines about it can eat my ass.



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jcow79
Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:49 am
#36





"I wear my doctor title all the way. I have no problems providing my services."







That's really my only point. The willing vs the unwilling. Perhaps this warrants a different thread since it seems we have strayed a bit from the intent of the original post.





'Josh on Ahazi server
-Obsidian Order-
-7410 -959 Obsidian Pointe on Dantooine
Dynastar
Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:07 am
#37






jcow79 wrote:

Ok...so you wanna wear your title as a badge of honor? Fine by me. But some of you are b******* & moaning about the volume of tells you are reciving because such title is being worn. What do you expect?? Don't diss these people for sending you messages just because they are expecting you to do the job you are advertising.



What? The "job I am advertising"? How asinine.


Unless I have a /shout macro going saying I am selling buffs and providing resurrections, I am not advertising a service. See that tag? It says Doctor, not BuffBot.




Ramsey Logan
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SkullCrackerWH
Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:40 am
#38

Ask him if he is a master or anyfighting skill, then tell him it's HIS JOB to clear the path to the DXR6b schematic person so you can get your loot without damage one of your hair.

If he wants a free buff, tell him to get you the avian meats, reative gas, and all other resources so you can make a buff just for him
FC3
Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:03 am
#39

I get those tells all the time but I never addignore anyone. I like to argue those fools LoL



Jozan
Master Chemist
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