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Thread: Doctor abuse :)
SkullCrackerWH wrote:
Ask him if he is a master or anyfighting skill, then tell him it's HIS JOB to clear the path to the DXR6b schematic person so you can get your loot without damage one of your hair.
If he wants a free buff, tell him to get you the avian meats, reative gas, and all other resources so you can make a buff just for him
Very good SkullCracker. It is indeed the fighters who clear the path in dungeons. When was the last time you saw someone WITHOUT fighting skills clear one? I would never insist on the Master Chef defeating the Acklay because I thought his Bofa treats stood a better chance than my pistol or rocket launcer.
And when did anyone mention anything about free buffs? We long ago decided that these services should not be free unless out of the kindness of your hearts you feel like giving them. By all means charge what you will for your services.
Read some of the more choice customer relations threads in here for models of how to react when someone them refuse. Oh, and for good measure tell them 'Josh told you it would be okay to ask them.
Shadow2k wrote:
You missed his point.
Perhaps today, I'll run around offering everyone with a master title over their head 10k to kill some random creature/npc no further than 250m from where they stand. I wonder what the most common response will be.
When they refuse, I'll tell them that they should take off their title if they are not going to live up to MY expectations of that title.
Hahahaha. That's pretty funny. People would have to be an idiot NOT to take you up on that. I'll stand by you all day killing randombeasties for 10k a pop. The point that I thinkYOU are missing is that Doctor unlike the combat roles is a "support" role. You provide support (ie. service) to the other roles, typically the combat ones.On numerous occasions I have been asked by a nearby artisan or other class lacking in sufficient combat skills to "take care" of a redcreature near one of their harvesters. Never once have I declined to assist them and never once have I demanded payment. AlthoughI find my assistance is greatly appreciated and often rewarded.
Why are you so resistant to the idea of removing your tag?I'm not even suggesting permanantly. Only in situations when you would prefer not to be interupted?It's not difficult at all. Or even simpler would be to make yourself un-searchable. That would prevent anyone within line of sight even knowing their is a doctor nearby. Do you insist on bringing this misery upon yourself of being nuisanced for heals/buffs/rez?? Or do you simply enjoy pure bliss from denying these?
You are not required to do anything you do not wish to do. You have the freedom to play however you wishto play as long as game mechanics allow and you're not "exploiting". You can be the biggest jerk you want or the nicest.This thread was started with a complaint about the harrassing that occurs when a doctor does refuse service wether for good reasons or not.I am simply suggesting a solution to avoid this harassment and statingwhy the harassment occurs in the first place (I don't condone it, only understand it). Obviously if these people knew you were a self-serving only doctor they might not have disturbed you in the first place. But unfortuantly "self-serving only" is not a tag that you're able to display.
Shadow2k wrote:
I don't wear my Doc tag, and I'm unsearchable. I am not a Doc to buff/heal/rez whomever may feel as though I am required to do so. I'm a Doc for myself, and my friends. I am not required, by the wearing of any title, to perform any action that others may deem necessary, just because I can.
I do however, reserve the right to refuse my services to ANYONE. The same way dancers can deny service, and milita members have the right to ban you from using city services.
Message Edited by Shadow2k on 04-13-2004 01:45 PM
jcow79 wrote:
You are not required to do anything you do not wish to do. You have the freedom to play however you wishto play as long as game mechanics allow and you're not "exploiting". You can be the biggest jerk you want or the nicest.This thread was started with a complaint about the harrassing that occurs when a doctor does refuse service wether for good reasons or not.I am simply suggesting a solution to avoid this harassment and statingwhy the harassment occurs in the first place (I don't condone it, only understand it). Obviously if these people knew you were a self-serving only doctor they might not have disturbed you in the first place. But unfortuantly "self-serving only" is not a tag that you're able to display.
Shadow2k wrote:
I don't wear my Doc tag, and I'm unsearchable. I am not a Doc to buff/heal/rez whomever may feel as though I am required to do so. I'm a Doc for myself, and my friends. I am not required, by the wearing of any title, to perform any action that others may deem necessary, just because I can.
I do however, reserve the right to refuse my services to ANYONE. The same way dancers can deny service, and milita members have the right to ban you from using city services.
Message Edited by Shadow2k on 04-13-2004 01:45 PM
Blah...I'm coming off a bit like a jerk maybe, but you'd be hard pressed to find many people on my server with that opinion of me...Imperials don't count 
. I heal/buff/rez strangers quite often, usually for no charge as I didn't become a Doc to make money, but I am not going to feel obligated to do so because I can, or if I choose to wear a certain title. If I tell someone no, that's the end of it. If they persist, I /addignore them.
Th thread was about the harassment Docs get, yes. I really don't understand why some people feel the need to keep the title up either, but it's their right to do so.Regardless of any tag that anyone wears, nobody should be getting harassed in game. Not like this only happens to Docs, Weaponsmiths were probably the first ones to experience all the hate tells they'd get when they didn't immediately drop everything just to help out one person.
jcow79 wrote:
SkullCrackerWH wrote:
Ask him if he is a master or anyfighting skill, then tell him it's HIS JOB to clear the path to the DXR6b schematic person so you can get your loot without damage one of your hair.
If he wants a free buff, tell him to get you the avian meats, reative gas, and all other resources so you can make a buff just for him
Very good SkullCracker. It is indeed the fighters who clear the path in dungeons. When was the last time you saw someone WITHOUT fighting skills clear one? I would never insist on the Master Chef defeating the Acklay because I thought his Bofa treats stood a better chance than my pistol or rocket launcer.
You missed his point.
Perhaps today, I'll run around offering everyone with a master<combat profession>title over their head 10k to kill some random creature/npc no further than 250m from where they stand. I wonder what the most common response will be.
When they refuse, I'll tell them that they should take off their title if they are not going to live up to MY expectations of that title.
I meant to reply yesterday, so sorry if someone hit these points already... but I want to reply to Josh's posts.
I think its reasonable for people to ask me to provide doc services if i'm wearing my title, I just dont' think its always reasonable for someone to expect that I'll say yes. This is b/c I think there are several reasons to wear the title besides pride of making master (which you dismissed too easily..some of us didn't use any tumbling tricks).such as...
advertising a med store
networking with other docs and suppliers of rare doc stuff
providing limited services (such as buffs only, or rez's if you're nearby only)
taking future appointments/group assignments.. (that is, even if I don't want to offer doc serviceswhile i'm hacking up this enraged kwi, in a1/2 hour when i'm ready to log, Iwilll, so remember my name).
Those are the reasons I wear my title even when I've absolutely no intention of helping someone with doc related stuff at that time. I don't get mad if someone sends me tells for buffs, but i do say no, and quite frequently.
As for that ladder analogy...its not a very good one but I'll give it a shot. The usual reason I say no to people in the"burning building" is that I know that person is the one who set the fire in the first place. That is, they chose to entera dangerous situation when they were not prepared. If I put myself at risk to bail them out of it, not only are they unlikley to aprpeciate what I did, they are also unlikely to change their behavior and *THINK* next time. When you get people in dungeons that aren't prepared for it, then they often train monsters over to other players, making things more danagerous (like fire spreading from building to building maybe?). In any case, if they become used to docs being available to hand them ladders, they won't make any effort to stop setting the fire. And so either the doc feels guilty or abused enough to help the person, or the docs feel pressured to hide the ladders away so no one knows they have them, and either way, only the person behaving badly comes out ahead. Everyone else is worse off.
Anyway its sort of a silly analogy ....but the point is,people will get mad when they don't get their way. And though we can understand the emotion, we should not condone it or encourage it . So a post like Josh's which essentially says "take the title off or be prepared to offer service b/c thats' what people expect" rubs me the wrong way.Eventually we can change other player's expectations by how we act. If people start to realize that doing a search and asking 10 docs is unlikely to find one who is buffing, they'll start heading to seek out docs who are spamming that they are buffing, or learn to fight without buffs (more groups, more stims, more food). And we can go back to wearing our title if we want to do so.
Hiding our title and only dealing with those we can trust not to abuse us makes the class of doctors in the game as awhole worse off. Removing our title should be our choice, not something we have to do to make it easier for other players to tell who's selling buffs and who isn't. Being a doc is about much more than just beinga provider of buffs...back before everyone went melee soloing everything, docs played a fun role in group missions b/c people needed someone along to heal.That's the type of doc I like to be when I want to play a doc role, not the buffomatic that other players seem to expect.