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JasonK

Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:01 pm

vortexala wrote:

JasonK wrote:

The AFKer gains XP while AFK thereby severly reducing the time it takes to gain mastery. That's all the quicker that the specific AFKer will be able to have better buffs and heals compared to if he didn't earn XP while AFK. Not that he's better than a different doctor.

Attaining mastery at a faster pace over another player does not automatically imbue a player with the knowledge to create and use better 'buffs'. It does, however, give that AFKer the in-game abilities sooner. But abilities alone do not a good doctor make.

There is a learning curve to being a doctor that anyone who has actively played the profession has gone through. Finding the resources, by gathering them on their own or purchasing, creating the packs, finding the right mixture, finding the right stats, getting the best environment, etc. etc.

Someone who has actually played the profession will have the knowledge required to be the best doctor and provide the best buffs. Someone who simply paid another player to tumble whilst using a macro simply to attain the 'title' and the abilities is, in all actuality, a step behind.

Nor does being AFK imply that a player never plays the profession and knows nothing about it. You people think too highly of yourselves. This isn't rocket science; little kids of less than moronic intelligence (Mytchicken) can play doctors in this game. Some other than him even excel at any profession.

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vortexala

Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:22 pm

#28

JasonK wrote:

vortexala wrote:

JasonK wrote:

The AFKer gains XP while AFK thereby severly reducing the time it takes to gain mastery. That's all the quicker that the specific AFKer will be able to have better buffs and heals compared to if he didn't earn XP while AFK. Not that he's better than a different doctor.

Attaining mastery at a faster pace over another player does not automatically imbue a player with the knowledge to create and use better 'buffs'. It does, however, give that AFKer the in-game abilities sooner. But abilities alone do not a good doctor make.

There is a learning curve to being a doctor that anyone who has actively played the profession has gone through. Finding the resources, by gathering them on their own or purchasing, creating the packs, finding the right mixture, finding the right stats, getting the best environment, etc. etc.

Someone who has actually played the profession will have the knowledge required to be the best doctor and provide the best buffs. Someone who simply paid another player to tumble whilst using a macro simply to attain the 'title' and the abilities is, in all actuality, a step behind.

Nor does being AFK imply that a player never plays the profession and knows nothing about it. You people think too highly of yourselves. This isn't rocket science; little kids of less than moronic intelligence (Mytchicken) can play doctors in this game. Some other than him even excel at any profession.

It isn't rocket science, but there is a certain degree of knowledge involved. And, quite frankly, someone who is AFK most of the time running a macro isn't going to have that same basic knowledge.

And, perhaps, it is you who thinks a bit too highly of himself? Or perhaps it's your reliance upon your macros that you think so highly of?

To each his own, but to say that an AFKer is somehow automatically 'better' at something then someone who plays full-time already shows your own bias on the subject.

Are macros wrong? No. Are they a tad, as Traig would say, Cheesey and Lame? I'd have to say yes.

~Texxie Xetrov~
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vortexala

Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:54 pm

#29

JasonK wrote:

Please, if you can find a0/2/4/0 doc that was never AFK that can rez, cure states, or buff/heal wounds for more pointsthan a master who was AFK 90% of the time I'd like to see it. And that's being quite generous as I don't even think you could get 0/2/0/0 before I could master being AFK.

So really, how much is the non-AFKer going to learn about buffing over the AFKer who gets the buffing ability and access to the best buffs a lot earlier? Do you really think stimming and healing wounds is going to impart great wisdom about buffing that the AFKer won't learn?

A player can easily master doctor by playing the profession full-time nearly as quickly as any macroer, or in such a short time-frame that the difference is negligable. I wasted more medical xp then any AFK Macroer has ever made before I ever got around to Mastering Doctor the first time. The second time I mastered Doctor was in a few days, at 2 hours a day, because I had knowledge of the profession and how best to gain the xp WITHOUT ever macroing the healing.

Just because someone can macro through a profession doesn't mean they know the profession. Just because someone can 'master' a profession at a high speed doesn't make them automatically better then another.

Just because you seem to think that AFKers are the best, doesn't make it so.

~Texxie Xetrov~
Retired Mayor of Vesania, Corellia, Chilastra
Retired Combat Medic Correspondent(Feb 04 - Dec 04)

"A Day without sunlight is like.... night."
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MyT_Chicken

Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:16 pm

#30

JasonK wrote:

MyT_Chicken wrote:

JasonK wrote:

Go troll somebody else loser.

Thats all you can say....yeah you really are moresmart then I thought. Can't even prove me wrong...just shows us how really bright you truely are. Keep shining maybe you will get a medal.

Actually, if you learned to read you would see my comments unindented in the midst of the quote. Dumbass. The more you try and insult my intelligence the stupider you look. Keep it up.

Actually "Dumbass" I read your stupid little comments.....and you still didn't prove anything. Do you have a forum posting Macro, so all you do is hit reply and say the same BS over and over and over and over. Yeah...thats what I thought. Get a life.

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JasonK

Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:32 pm

#31

MyT_Chicken wrote:

JasonK wrote:

MyT_Chicken wrote:

JasonK wrote:

Go troll somebody else loser.

Thats all you can say....yeah you really are moresmart then I thought. Can't even prove me wrong...just shows us how really bright you truely are. Keep shining maybe you will get a medal.

Actually, if you learned to read you would see my comments unindented in the midst of the quote. Dumbass. The more you try and insult my intelligence the stupider you look. Keep it up.

Actually "Dumbass" I read your stupid little comments.....and you still didn't prove anything. Do you have a forum posting Macro, so all you do is hit reply and say the same BS over and over and over and over. Yeah...thats what I thought. Get a life.

LOL yeah right. Not only didn't you read it, after I pointed out how stupid you are for commenting without reading it, you went back to read it and couldn't come up with a valid counterpoint. So instead try to insult my obviously superior intelligence. You've been owned over and over and over again. Give it up dude. You can't hang with the big boys.

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JasonK

Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:39 pm

#32

vortexala wrote:

JasonK wrote:

Please, if you can find a0/2/4/0 doc that was never AFK that can rez, cure states, or buff/heal wounds for more pointsthan a master who was AFK 90% of the time I'd like to see it. And that's being quite generous as I don't even think you could get 0/2/0/0 before I could master being AFK.

So really, how much is the non-AFKer going to learn about buffing over the AFKer who gets the buffing ability and access to the best buffs a lot earlier? Do you really think stimming and healing wounds is going to impart great wisdom about buffing that the AFKer won't learn?

A player can easily master doctor by playing the profession full-time nearly as quickly as any macroer, or in such a short time-frame that the difference is negligable. I wasted more medical xp then any AFK Macroer has ever made before I ever got around to Mastering Doctor the first time. The second time I mastered Doctor was in a few days, at 2 hours a day, because I had knowledge of the profession and how best to gain the xp WITHOUT ever macroing the healing.

Just because someone can macro through a profession doesn't mean they know the profession. Just because someone can 'master' a profession at a high speed doesn't make them automatically better then another.

Just because you seem to think that AFKers are the best, doesn't make it so.

Keyword being full-time. I don't play full-time, and I imagine neither do most of the players. Even on your second pass it took you a few days, which is about average for an AFKer, and you knew the ins and outs of the profession.

I don't claim AFKers to be the best or even better than a non-AFKer with the same skills. I only claim they get skills and abilities faster, which is better for the community than the skills and abilities they would have if they hadn't AFKed. And they aren't too stupid to know how to heal and buff properly.

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vortexala

Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:16 pm

#33

JasonK wrote:

vortexala wrote:

JasonK wrote:

Please, if you can find a0/2/4/0 doc that was never AFK that can rez, cure states, or buff/heal wounds for more pointsthan a master who was AFK 90% of the time I'd like to see it. And that's being quite generous as I don't even think you could get 0/2/0/0 before I could master being AFK.

So really, how much is the non-AFKer going to learn about buffing over the AFKer who gets the buffing ability and access to the best buffs a lot earlier? Do you really think stimming and healing wounds is going to impart great wisdom about buffing that the AFKer won't learn?

A player can easily master doctor by playing the profession full-time nearly as quickly as any macroer, or in such a short time-frame that the difference is negligable. I wasted more medical xp then any AFK Macroer has ever made before I ever got around to Mastering Doctor the first time. The second time I mastered Doctor was in a few days, at 2 hours a day, because I had knowledge of the profession and how best to gain the xp WITHOUT ever macroing the healing.

Just because someone can macro through a profession doesn't mean they know the profession. Just because someone can 'master' a profession at a high speed doesn't make them automatically better then another.

Just because you seem to think that AFKers are the best, doesn't make it so.

Keyword being full-time. I don't play full-time, and I imagine neither do most of the players. Even on your second pass it took you a few days, which is about average for an AFKer, and you knew the ins and outs of the profession.

I don't claim AFKers to be the best or even better than a non-AFKer with the same skills. I only claim they get skills and abilities faster, which is better for the community than the skills and abilities they would have if they hadn't AFKed. And they aren't too stupid to know how to heal and buff properly.

The difference between most Macro-Medics and the full-time ones(and when I say full-time, I'm talking about someone who is actually at the keyboard playing most if not all of the time they are in-game, as opposed to AFK. Not to be confused with folks who play the game as if it were a full-time job) is that a Macro-Medic normally does it because either A) A holocron told him to, or B) For self-buffing. Neither of which can be categorized as being helpful in any way towards the community as a whole.

What is helpful to the Community is someone who knows the profession and plays it because they like helping others. What is helpful to the community is someone who becomes a Healer because they want to help others.

What isn't helpful is someone simply rushing through the profession just so they can buff themselves or because their holo told them to. That doesn't mean it isn't right for them to do so, it simply means it doesn't help the community.

A person could master Medic and Doc in one day, but if they simply drop the title or only use their skills for themselves that doesn't really help the community, does it?

AFK Macro-Medics aren't there for the community, they aren't doing it to help others, they're doing it simply for themselves. And they have every right to do that.

But that still doesn't make them better in any way, shape or form then someone who takes their time to master those professions. And it definately doesn't make them better then someone who doesn't do the cheesey tumbletostand macro and instead earns xp the old fashioned way, healing damage in combat and wounds after the fact.

~Texxie Xetrov~
Retired Mayor of Vesania, Corellia, Chilastra
Retired Combat Medic Correspondent(Feb 04 - Dec 04)

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slabby

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:31 am

#34

Sorta equates to price fixing in my opinion. Works great for you. Doesn't work out for themajority of others.If that's all someone worries about then I guess this isn't much of a "community" then is it.

BTW, how come no one cares to dispute the fact that this playing style pretty much ruined the entertainment profession. EVERYONE KNOWS IT DID, but it's hard to argue your point for doing it with that ugly example staring everyone in the face. Many of us don't want the same thing to happen to the medical professions. I don't know why that makes us bad guys.

Just in case you missed it, Entertainers used to be fun to play for those people who liked it. They hung around in the catinas, gossiped, helped new players, and enjoyed "putting on a show." Then the auto bots came in full force and we were left to a wasteland of AFK Macro bots spamming "Tips and Heals Appreciated" and no interaction at all. Now it's even worse, as I am running around town seeing people AFK fighting and harvesting. It's becoming an automated world, and It's becoming a bit old.

I just wish one person would tell me why they think they should be able to level up in their sleep other than the fact that "they can" and the Dev's haven't banned me yet for it so it must be ok, and how it benifits the star wars gaming community as a whole.

But the marcoers all seem to say that they know it isn't right, know they shouldn't be able to do it, know that it wasn't intended to work this way, but are still going to do it anyway. I think it's sad, and I don't understand someone being proud that they are cheating the system.

Please answer the real burning question, if you hate playing the gamethen why do you keep paying to let it play itself?

And what about the new players that come in, expecting a Star Wars roleplaying world. They do what most people do and head right to the cantina first, or back to the med center after their first mission and they get to see the land of AFK Auto Bots greeting them. That's a heck of an impression. I for one would like to see this game be something cool and grow. There is nothing "cool" about an automated autobot world.

If someone thinks that it's great to play a game with a bunch of automated players, then tell us how great it is. Just please stop giving the lame excuses on why you are doing it.I only do it because of this...Excuses are like....

Well you know the rest.

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JasonK

Sat Jan 31, 2004 1:59 am

#35

If it doesn't work out of you you're on the wrong side. It's nobody's fault but your own that you can't or won't get your own resources. If they cost too much for you spend you skill points or cash on harvestors like all the other suppliers do and get your own. Otherwise live with the price set by the community.

As for entertainers, I would much rather have an AFK macroer in a cantina than nobody. Really suckshaving toshuttle hop around trying to find one wasting all that time when I could be off doing something else.

As for your burning question, why do you assume AFK macroers hate the game? I AFK macro so I can get more enjoyment out of the limited time I have to actually play. If I can get a lot of XP or resources or credits in the time I'm not actually playing then I have more time to do more enjoyable things when I do play. Seriously, do you think sampling is fun? I sure as hell don't, but I need the resources so I AFK sample so when I do play I have what I need without the boredom. Healingwounds is fun? I'll take a pass and spend my time doing other stuff I find more enjoyable, like inflicting wounds. Buffing myself for 1000 points? No thanks, I'll spend a couple days AFK tumblingthen buff myself for 3000.

As for right or wrong, I don't do anything outside of the actual rules of the game. You can keep your ethics for yourself and not impose them on me. If you don't like the rules of the game, get them changed. Till then suck it up, cause we aren't going to stop AFK'ing.

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JasonK

Sat Jan 31, 2004 2:00 am

#36

Whichhelps the community more,having more master docs (AFKers) sellingquality products orhaving more low level docs (non-AFKers) selling crappy products? AFKers win.

Whichhelps the community more,having more master docs (AFKers) giving3000 buffs or having morelow level docs (non-AFKers) giving 1000 buffs? AFKers win again.

Which helps the community more, having more master docs (AFKers) giving E stims to the hunting party and rezing the dead or having morelow level docs (non-AFKers) giving B and C stims to the hunting party and the dead having to clone? AFKers win again.

Which helps the community more, having a master doc run an AFK buff bot in his house (AFKers) or not being able to get a buff in the middle of the night (non-AFKers)? AFKers win yet again.

And on a side note, which helps the community more, having more entertainers available 24/7 in more cantinas (AFKers) or havingentertainers less available to heal your mind (non-AFKers)? AFKers win.

Master of any class beats those in the lower levels hands down.

And yes, I know there areexamples that you would like to rebut that comment with about how a novice pistoleer once beat a master pistoleer and whatnot. I'm talking about average player skill levels, or for ease of understanding, YOU as a master doc are much better than YOU as a low level doc.

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BountyLorder

Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:48 am

#37

Okay, a MD who gets their title in a few days are better for the community.

Then why upon multiple occasions I get tells from MDs who have their "holoed" proffessions wondering what does a Solid Delivery shells?

I was at a cantina the other day with my trusty bot healing people. I looked at the chat window and it was being flooded with "hlz are appreciated, as are tips" or "Us entertainers work hard, tip us" I started to say "who isn't afk in this place?" I got one, out of 10(theed cantina) that wasnt afk. I had a good time talking to her and such, and thought how much fun it would be if there were no afkers plauging this game.

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slabby

Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:42 am

#38

I wonder why certain posters in this thread always get their posts closed why the rest of us do not?

More Facts, no name calling.

Read the community rules, which unlike the EULA, you ARE in violation of multiple times over on this board.

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solidsmack

Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:04 am

#39

I once went into a medical center, during peak hours. 14 people with medic or doctor tags on, 7 tumblers, and 9 people with wounds including myself, who had about 300 in each stat. I waited in there for half an hour and not one medic even looked away from their tumbler. When I finally started asking for healing, the response I got from ALL 14 was "Sorry I don't have any wound packs." Explain to me exactly how that is helpful to the community.

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