Doctor Archive
Thread: I think this sould be our moto.
No I agree with that. But leveling up fast hurts that economy, especially by people who dont' care about the profession and just burn the resources quick and then get out. I never said a player driven enconomy was bad, I think this type of things causes some major problems in spiking the prices up. I'm all for the economy baring itself out, I don't like marco monkeys spiking the demand through the roof, hurting a profession and economy and then deciding "well I don't really like this profession that much" and leaving, making it harder on those that do. If you actually care about your profession, you would know why doing these things hurts it in the long run.
If you don't care about that, it's cool, just know that there are consequences to those kind of actions that affect us all.
What about the fact AFKing ruined the Entertainment profession?
The fact that someone would rather have an AFKer than nobody isn't the point. The point is, this practice made the game not at all fun for the people that thought that class was fun and enjoyed playing it because of the cantina "life" in the evenings. Now that is gone, possiblyfor good because people found out how to exploit it. None of the people that AFK seem to want accept that fact.
I will keep posting, and emailing and reporting until this gets changed, or they tell me to stop doing it.
I find it sad that people can't accept not being uber powerful and have to let the game play itself rather than not be the "best" when they get online and play. The mechanics are the same at any level. You can group and play at any level. But people are impatient and can't seem to wait until they do the work to get to have those abilities so they have to find short cuts and exploits around them. They don't care about earning anything, and what will end up happening is that they will end up making it harder on everyone else, because they will have to clothes the door on the people that are taking these short cuts, and that will affect MY game play and well as everyone elses.
AFK macroers seem to think people should let them play their game, but don't realize how playing their game affects everyone elses.
There are plenty of games that start you out to be uber powerful. I don't understand why when games like that exist, that people instead want to find shortcuts in this one. This isn't a sprint, and I could care less if someone gets "master" the fastest. I just think you should have to actually be at your keyboard to play it and earn it.
Do I think surveying is fun, nope. That's why I punted artisan about as fast as I got it. But some people do enjoy it and it should be something that people that enjoy it do. Not people who just want a class that they can level up while they sleep so they can be Mr. Uber Loot master in a day.
This is a ethics question, and a question about respecting other players. This isn't a question on what is "allowed" and "not allowed."
I want this loophole closed, and I will keep working towards it. At least then I can say I did my part if this game crashes and burns in 6 months because of people getting tired of the exploiters.
I don't think AFK killed entertainers. They can make their own cantinas and enforce whatever rules they want within them.
This is a game. When I want to work and earn something I'll do my real job and earn real money. When I want to be entertained I will play a game. This game is entertaining, so I play it. Maybe instead of wondering why people find shortcuts in this game instead of playing one you start out uber in, you should be wondering why you're playing a game where players are allowed to use these shortcuts?
I wonder that more and more every day. But when I purchases this game, I thought I was playing that kind of game, not Diablo 2.5.
But EVERYONE knows that AFK dancing and entertaining ruined that profession. You've been playing the game long enough to realize that there is a HUGE difference between the cantina's 6 and even 3 months ago than there is today. And it's not for the best.
As far as making cantinas, that's good an all in the busy player cities.ButI've yet to find one, which is an issue for a whole nother day about ghost town player cities and the purpose they serve.
Bascially, I'd like to hear real arguments on why people do this which does not include the following...
Because I can and I haven't got banned yet.
Because I want to be uber powerful in a day and shouldn't be "forced" to run around with lesser skills.
Because I don't want to be a low level character.
Because I want to.
And nobody yet has told me how doing this benifits the Star Wars Gaming community as a whole. I've given my reasons why it doesn't.
- AFKmedicsgive better buffs thereby giving the community members greater advantages.
- AFK medicsgive better heals and are therefore better to havefor increased heals.
- AFK samplers put more resources into the economy thereby increasing supply and decreaing price, or they don't buy up resources so they don't help drive up demand and prices.
- AFK entertainers heal the minds of people who would otherwise have to spend time trying to find a live body.
- AFK combatants are better in a group hunt because they have higher level skills.
And why do you need other arguments than those? You haven't even proved them invalid yet. Saying they don't follow your ethics of how a game should be played doesn't mean those are bad arguments. Plus you left out the main reason, because it's not against the rules.
JasonK wrote:
The only difference I notice in the cantina is everyone has mind disease. Oh, and I don't feel obligated to tip anymore so I don't have to care when the obviously non-AFK entertainer I tip doesn't even thank me. Other than that I don't really care, I'd rather just watch an AFK bot. If all the anti-AFK entertainers want to party with their friends they have their own cantinas. If they're all ghost towns with empty cantinas maybe that's telling you something, like most people agree with me and don't care if they watch a bot ora live bodyas long as it's convenient and they can get back to doing what they were doing quickly.
Let's see, I can think of a few reasons AFKers speeding through professionsbenefit the community:
AFKmedicsgive better buffs thereby giving the community members greater advantages.
AFK Medics can't give buffs....Nor does AFK Macroing give you a true understand of what BETTER Buffs and Med Supplies in gerneral really are.....so yeah you make sense.
AFK medicsgive better heals and are therefore better to havefor increased heals.
Wait...you can't actually HEAL someone if your not there, all you can do is what.....waste stims on a flipping monkey.....so yeah you make sense.
AFK samplers put more resources into the economy thereby increasing supply and decreaing price, or they don't buy up resources so they don't help drive up demand and prices.
Thats doesn't even make any sense to begin with, but yeah you make sense
AFK entertainers heal the minds of people who would otherwise have to spend time trying to find a live body.
perhaps your only valid point.....does it make afk macroing right to those that do spend live time in the game no. And the real Entertainers are fighting this.
AFK combatants are better in a group hunt because they have higher level skills.
Can't agree here, because if you can't learn to play your profession you just look like an ass laying on your back begging for a rez. Just because you can deal damage doesn't make you a good group hunter...So yeah you make sense here to.
And why do you need other arguments than those? You haven't even proved them invalid yet. Saying they don't follow your ethics of how a game should be played doesn't mean those are bad arguments. Plus you left out the main reason, because it's not against the rules.
So what was that you said? I didn't quite understand you.....I was to busy telling you how it really is. My bad.
Keep thinking your gonna hurt yourself
Just because you master a profession doesn't mean you understand its role. it just makes you that much more ignorant when someone asks you something you should know....and don't.
And if you claim that AFK Macros are so holy....list some of your buffs bases/chargeson here. Lets see if your really right that macroing makes you better than us that really earn it.
JasonK wrote:
The AFKer gains XP while AFK thereby severly reducing the time it takes to gain mastery. That's all the quicker that the specific AFKer will be able to have better buffs and heals compared to if he didn't earn XP while AFK. Not that he's better than a different doctor.
Attaining mastery at a faster pace over another player does not automatically imbue a player with the knowledge to create and use better 'buffs'. It does, however, give that AFKer the in-game abilities sooner. But abilities alone do not a good doctor make.
There is a learning curve to being a doctor that anyone who has actively played the profession has gone through. Finding the resources, by gathering them on their own or purchasing, creating the packs, finding the right mixture, finding the right stats, getting the best environment, etc. etc.
Someone who has actually played the profession will have the knowledge required to be the best doctor and provide the best buffs. Someone who simply paid another player to tumble whilst using a macro simply to attain the 'title' and the abilities is, in all actuality, a step behind.
MyT_Chicken wrote:
JasonK wrote:
The only difference I notice in the cantina is everyone has mind disease. Oh, and I don't feel obligated to tip anymore so I don't have to care when the obviously non-AFK entertainer I tip doesn't even thank me. Other than that I don't really care, I'd rather just watch an AFK bot. If all the anti-AFK entertainers want to party with their friends they have their own cantinas. If they're all ghost towns with empty cantinas maybe that's telling you something, like most people agree with me and don't care if they watch a bot ora live bodyas long as it's convenient and they can get back to doing what they were doing quickly.
Let's see, I can think of a few reasons AFKers speeding through professionsbenefit the community:
AFKmedicsgive better buffs thereby giving the community members greater advantages.
AFK Medics can't give buffs....Nor does AFK Macroing give you a true understand of what BETTER Buffs and Med Supplies in gerneral really are.....so yeah you make sense.
I meant medics that gain XP while AFKand therefore gain skills and healing/buffing ability faster than dumbasses like you. Yeah, aftera couple daysI'd be master and give better buffs and heals than you and your 1/1/1/1 skills.
AFK medicsgive better heals and are therefore better to havefor increased heals.
Wait...you can't actually HEAL someone if your not there, all you can do is what.....waste stims on a flipping monkey.....so yeah you make sense.
See above.
AFK samplers put more resources into the economy thereby increasing supply and decreaing price, or they don't buy up resources so they don't help drive up demand and prices.
Thats doesn't even make any sense to begin with, but yeah you make sense
Go take a junior high economics class and maybe you can understand simple concepts.
AFK entertainers heal the minds of people who would otherwise have to spend time trying to find a live body.
perhaps your only valid point.....does it make afk macroing right to those that do spend live time in the game no. And the real Entertainers are fighting this.
Is it against the rules? Nope. I can think of someplace for you to put your ethics.
AFK combatants are better in a group hunt because they have higher level skills.
Can't agree here, because if you can't learn to play your profession you just look like an ass laying on your back begging for a rez. Just because you can deal damage doesn't make you a good group hunter...So yeah you make sense here to.
You assume too much. Justbecause somebody AFK's does not mean they always AFK and don't know anything about the class.
And why do you need other arguments than those? You haven't even proved them invalid yet. Saying they don't follow your ethics of how a game should be played doesn't mean those are bad arguments. Plus you left out the main reason, because it's not against the rules.
So what was that you said? I didn't quite understand you.....I was to busy telling you how it really is. My bad.
Keep thinking your gonna hurt yourself
JasonK wrote:
Go troll somebody else loser.
MyT_Chicken wrote:
JasonK wrote:
Go troll somebody else loser.
Thats all you can say....yeah you really are moresmart then I thought. Can't even prove me wrong...just shows us how really bright you truely are. Keep shining maybe you will get a medal.
Actually, if you learned to read you would see my comments unindented in the midst of the quote. Dumbass. The more you try and insult my intelligence the stupider you look. Keep it up.