Doctor Archive
Thread: LETS SET WOUND HEALING PRICE STANDERDS NOW ......
I think you should charge if you want to charge, but price fixing has never worked in this game and it won't work now.
Do a search on "doctor's union", "entertainer's union", "crafter's union", "price fixing", or whatever and see those who came before.
Some people will always undercut, some will do it for free.
I made millions buffing under the old system, since the CU I just keep my doc around and heal my combatant and his friends, and buff those same people, for whatever good the buffs do. I don't provide service to the public, but if I did, I'd charge for it, especially if it involved travel or other inconvenience.
DarthRancor wrote:
Ok guys , since wound healing is now our big think i think we need to get a concensus on the average price.
First, most of the people you'll be healing will be in your group because the only way to get XP is to go out with a group and heal in combat. Will you be charging your group mates? Maybe you're talking about already Master Doc's who don't need XP sitting at the StarPort healing? I doubt this will work because most people will alreadybe grouping with Docs.Anyone sitting in town trying to make money wont get much business. If all you want is money you're better off joining a group and sharing their mission payouts.
The only people who will need you to heal them are solo players who are having a hard enough time these days. I think most will either leave the game or be forced to pick up Doctor for themselves. Either way, by charging a large amount of credits like 5k the only thing you're doing is driving away business.
i have heard some say they refuse to heal , some say they do it for free. i disagree. for all the millions we have spent on making our old buff packs and such i have a lot of cash to recoup.
I'm totally lost here. First, we don't know how many Docs didn'tjust respec their way to master after the CU. I'm not about to pay every Doc I see 5k just because you lost money grinding your profession. Second, didn't you sit in the StarPort and buff before the CU like all the other Doctors? Expecting to make back money you spent leveling your profession before the CU makes no sense at all.
i'm not hatefull for the new system at all. I personally kinda like it, but that doesn't deal with the fact i ony get xp in combat (not in med centers which are now pointless unless you have no MD and wanna spend 5 hours healing your wounds)
i'm starting with a minumum 5k wound heal. probably higher.
Message Edited by Spymaster2 on 05-09-2005 11:49 PM
There is a big difference between accepting tips and charging a price up front. I see nothing wrong with Doctors accepting Tips, but just picking some large number like 5k out of a hat is lame.
Loot hunters trade goods for credits and then theytrade those credits back to the crafter for a finished product. It's different then a Doctor expecting money for nothing.
(end quote)
1. My beef is not with people who think that doctors charge too much, but with the mentality that doctor's shouldn't charge anything at all. It seems like your not that type of person, just think that doctors charge too much.
2. The doctor's are expecting money for doing nothing? That our services are necessary/useful and that to perform those services we need to take time out of our game time to help others, it seems odd that you would say a doctor does nothing. If a person comes to you with 500 wounds, its not one simple heal you can slap on them in 1 sec and run off with them fully healed. It takes a while of sitting and healing, the doctors time they have to voluntarily give up to heal that person. I don't think that time is worthless, most people don't, that is where the saying, "time is money" came from. Would you rather sit in one spot a service other people for no benefit to yourself or would you rather play the game your paying for and go out and group hunt or fly missions? Since people want to play the game and have fun, rather than just sitting around, shouldnt some incentive be offered to make people want to give up the time they could be using to play the game otherwise? I'm seriously suprised that you think time is nothing.
3. It would seem that loot hunters could be equated to doctors in this situation. Both are using the skills at their disposal to the benefit of other, to both of them it costs no money to do what they do, to both of them it costs time to do what they do. As you pointed out, the end result is that the loot hunter makes money. Why shouldn't the doctor?
4. Finally, I know every armorsmith and weaponsmith out there I have heard of or talked to will charge people for weapons or armor even if you supply every compontent to make the pieces. No one complains and it happens all the time. They provide their service and skill at a price, though the price is reduced since all materials are provided by the customer. How is this justified then?
Message Edited by JediGias on 05-11-2005 02:40 AM
I dont charge for my services, I let people tip what they want. Some tip good, others not so good and most just say "thx". I dont mind, because I hate black bars and getting rid of them gives a warm feeling to my stomach. BUT I do wish I would get xp out of healing peoples wounds. I need it for my force-sensivite conversion and ever since CU people tip less and less and I wont even get med-xp out of healing wounds. Come devs, give us xp or death!
Spymaster2 wrote:
TarMangani wrote: I tend to think those that charge for healing will indeed make money, albeit not much of it...
My guess is that the Docs who heal for free will make more money on tips then the ones who charge for it. I know If someone demands payment up front I'd personally just go get healed elsewhere.
Most of us that are hoping to make money have tried the "in good faith you'll tip me approach" and found that most of the time tips don't happen. That's why many simply resort to the "up front pricing" approach. It's a bit annoying, but it helps set things straight...(and I don't charge for healing, I'm trying to make money the old fashioned way by crafting...)
At this stage, I believe charging for wound healing is both offensive and unnecesary. I have never, and will never charge for any type of healing. I also refuse to charge for buffing (pre and post CU) and make my money 3 ways. Groups, Stim sales and resource sales.
To charge for healing is an offense, and is truly repugnant to me. Why? You heal at a rate of 60 per hit and people are supposed to be happy???? That is the silliest thing I've ever heard.
Now you're just being greedy. I'm seriously thinking I'll just respec to Master Doc tomorrow and offer my services forfree. I'll need Doc to heal my own wounds anyway because I solo, might as well help people while I'm at it.
Aeon_Calcos wrote:
full buff set 10k if they complain i'll raise it to 15k and ask if they want to go for 20k.
Wow aren't you cool. To bad your Buffs are worthless.
Old buff prices ehh? Aparently you dont know that your buffs suck now. I'm not charging 10k becuase i'm making people invincible for 3 hours. I'm charging 10k because i spent my skillpoints to have something that you want.
Not my fault you spend skill points on something worthless.
Wanting buffs and needing them are two different things. I paid 10k for buffs back when they were needed to fight high level creatures. Now I'm stuck fighting things my level whether I'm Buffed or not. I'm not paying you 10k for something I can do fine without.
Wounds.
000-100 5k
101-200 10k
201-300 15k
301-400 20k
Dont like the prices? Go find another doc, look right over thereoh wait that's a droid-engineer, oh over there awwww that's a Master Dancer. Looks like you'll just have to spend 5 hours sitting in the medical center cuz you're too lazy to clone.
Lame. You're not the only Doc in the game, grow up. Even if you were, I'd rather sit in the Med center for 5 hours then give you a single credit because you're a Jerk. There's a good chance I'd tip someone that much if they were nice but requiring5-20k credits for doing something that costs you zero credits is a joke.
Resurections - If they're a jedi the base pay is 100k no exceptions. if they're a combattant it's 200k, if they're overt it's 1million. No exceptions. They should have thought of someone jumping them while they were to busy camping a spawn point. Everyone else it's at least 50k more if i'm busy in a group.
There's a lot of money to be made with doctor without the need to run a buff macro everytime you go to sleep.Take advantage of the opportunities presented to you. Without doctors everyones sitting in the medical center not having fun.
TarMangani wrote: I tend to think those that charge for healing will indeed make money, albeit not much of it...
Done.
JediGias wrote:why should dancers accept money for their services? Everything they do costs them nothing.
There is a big difference between accepting tips and charging a price up front. I see nothing wrong with Doctors accepting Tips, but just picking some large number like 5k out of a hat is lame.
By the same merit, loot hunters and scout/rangers who sell their loot/resources are charging for things that cost them nothing. If I have all the resources to make my own are or weapon, why do weaponsmiths and armorsmiths still charge money for the service if I supply all the components?
Loot hunters trade goods for credits and then theytrade those credits back to the crafter for a finished product. It's different then a Doctor expecting money for nothing.
Why to Creature handles charge for pets that they just capture from the wild? Why do rangers charge for their tracking services?
For one thing these two servicesaren't really money makers in this game. Most rangers will help you track something for free especially if you're in a group and the need to track specific enemies is very rare. Creature handlers don't really sell many pets, that's what Bio Engineers are for.
Either way aCH and a Ranger are putting themselves in danger. Their services require them to go out into the wild, not sit in a Med Center. If I needed their helpI'd rather paya CH or Rangerthen a Doctor anyday just because they are putting themselves at risk and actually working for their money.
And lastly, aCH is actually giving you something he could keep and use himself. It's not like he's pulling creatures out of no where the way Docs can.
If you answer that these people deserve compensation becuase we are using their time and they are being kind enough to help us, then why is that not the same for us.
That's not the answer.
Until you can answer why all other professions that charge or services that cost them nothing should be able to charge for their services and doctors should not, then you are just wrong to say doctor's should not charge for their services. It is the height of hipocracy.