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Giftmacher

Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:48 am

With a blunt knife? and no armour. Hmm I doubt it and buffs will not prevent wounds (and you'll be taking something for that mind too). In anycase even if you could just manage it with rontos why not try something harder? Plenty of tougher creatures in the galaxy and if you want to enjoy using tactics then nothing says you need to use Doc buffs.

And no I disagree on the penalties, which in anycase do nothing to prevent watching that buff timer countdown (that was afterall one of your compliants yes?). Anyway,Doctors should not supply things that cause harm to patients, that is the drug dealing smugglers realm. Also reducing stats, just so you can fight rontos naked isn't a great argument either, what would people do for meaner monsters? Or other players? Remember some mobs and certainly PvPer's can wipe out a whole HAM with only +500 buffs easily, what do we do for those people?

I'm sorry the the point of a combat balance is that you do just that: balance. Slashing Doc buffs in and of itself well not makethe game any better, in fact it will put a fair deal of the content out of reach of all but the largest of groups. Singleing out Docs is counter productive.

Gift.

Giftmacher

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:05 am

#15

Most of the game, areas, missions, quests, are locked to thoose that are buffed, as thoose that arent wouldnt survive long, and thoose that are outshines everyone else.

I believe you also, Roustabout, have seen that lone warrior, dressed in nothing but composite pants and a chestplate, being surrounded by a horde of instant-kill monsters, with a ham-meter that is barely moving at all...

Yes but none of that is solely a buff issue is it? More of a case for greater lower-end content, and as I pointed out earlier refinement of how people can combine buffs and armour.

Gift.

Roustabout

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:11 am

#16

Then why post with a new account...clearly that was going to lead to the impression of you being new.

70% base, 80% kinetic armor, 80% base is highly improbable if not impossible for most without enhancers.

I seek new areas in the game, more secrets, quests, and I seek to get a wonderful roleplaying experience with my friends while doing it. My only real goal was to seek out the points-of-interests in the game, and now I have all 45 location badges.

Great, fantastic, that's the essence of the game. It still remains though that coming here is hardly the place to **edit** about this. There are plenty of other forums to address game issues and you chose one that is supposed to be about becoming, being, and functioning as a doctor.

Jeassa Explains it All

Message Edited by Roustabout on 07-27-2004 08:11 AM

JemyM

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:21 am

#17

I had a good time, until I reached Dantoine.

Let me tell you about my last day.
I have just finished Investigation IV as a bounty hunter. It have taken me a couple of weeks to do so. I havnt been that on it to be honest, but doing bounty missions have been fun. You sit for an hour in starports and on a speederback, and chat with friends while doing it.

I need to get my weapons experience now, becouse you dont earn that from bounty missions.

So I talk to friends, and they all tell me to go to Dantoine. So I do.

There are currently three master doctors sitting here, having 10-20 people sitting around them. I talk to a friend, and ask if I shall go with him to hunt for awhile. He asks me, am I buffed? I say no. He sends me money for the buff. I already have the money, I just hadnt bothered about the buff. To him, there are no other option than I should stand in line, get buffed, so i can join him.

From the Cantina there are two dancers that spams messages about mindbuffs. They are AFK, but can do mindbuffs through a macro.

I get buffed. I follow my friend, and spend two hours killing things. Its good. I havnt used a single stimpack, food or spice, and I barely have wounds or battlefatigue. I earn roughly 100.000 in missions and alot of xp.

The doctors are away now. I hear people each minute shouting "anyone can buff?". One say "I pay 30k for a buff". Someone adds "*sigh* there are no doctors here... I think I get back to Coronet to find one".

My friend leaves for the day.

I decide "screw it, I go out there without a buff". So I take a mission, and I go out there. I was happy I could get back alive.

Besides that, I also have an annoying sig that looks like part of the post.

Roustabout

Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:34 am

#18

People are lost without buffs, yes that's true. Same way they'd be lost without armor, or an elite weapon, or a dancer/musician buff and brandy.

I hope you also posted in the chef forums about how their mind foods are unbalancing since you don't have to worry about that anymore.

Look, here's the deal. We don't want to hear it here. We know buffs will get reduced in the future.

Cordellbacination wrote:

- I for one would not want to see my business that I have worked hard to set up for months destroyed because people are no longer interested in food now that specials dont require HAMs.

- This should definitely not happen. We do need to look at the strength and balance of all buff types but buffs will still keep a purpose and value. Thread Link

And we also know they'll serve a purpose. Coming on here and complaining isn't getting anyone anywhere. If you don't want to get buffed then don't. If you don't like it then talk to the concept thread or the core systems board...not here.

Yes things are easier with buffs. But then again it's easier with buffs, armor, weapons, elite professions, profession stacking, etc...

And if you don't think armor is insanely powered go get some 80% kinetic and get buffed and fight an elder. Now take off the armor...or just the helmet, and see how far you go with that setup....or in fact use a non-sliced non p-uped weapon. And no tapes. See where I'm going....

BrJLa

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:28 am

#19

A doctor's buff is freedom, Jemy. It's the freedom to not have to find a group. It's the freedom to not have to burn xp on Novice Medic. It's the freedom to be able to grind through weapons xp in a matter of hours against high-end mobs, rather than taking weeks fighting weaker mobs on Corellia or Tatooine.

These are the trade-offs. And I think a lot of players will find the game less fun if they (1) are forced into groups, or (2) have to change their templates to accomodate Novice Medic, or (3) take weeks to master a combat profession rather than days.

But if YOU don't want buffs, you can (1) find a group of like-minded players to fight with, or (2) confine yourself to a starter planet like Corellia or Coronet, and get Novice Medic so you can heal yourself while your fighting, and (3) accept the fact that it's going to take you several days longer to get the combat xp you need for whatever skills you're looking to acquire.

BrJLa

Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:30 am

#20

Um..I meant Tatooine or Corellia. Not Coronet or Corellia.

Eyedun

Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:17 am

#21

this is exactly why 10K buffs are ruining the game.

25K should be the minimum. force people to learn to play un buff'd or pay alot for the priveledge of being invincible.

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Adapt and over come, dont whine and succumb.

VemaGara

Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:59 am

#22

I've been playing on Test Center recently, without any doctor buffs. What I've found is that end-game content always exists around you when you are lower level. As a lower level swordsman, EVERYTHING was high-end content. Even finding equipment became content.

When I picked up some cheap 20cr bluemilk that only added 120 mind, I found that I could handle creatures much better. Even a measly 120 buff on my mind mattered a great deal. I don't need Doctor buffs at all.

Do you want real end-game content? Give yourself disadvantages and see what you can handle. Doctor buffs too easy? Figure out how to handle your challenges with different buffs and armor. Sick of composite? See what you can handle with different or no armor. The main person adding challenge to this game is YOU and only YOU.

I got burned out on SWG for a while and played Morrowind. Now that I'm playing it a bit more, I am enjoying it more. Once I realized that there is NO DIFFERENCE between end-game content and challenging content, I found that there was challenging content EVERYWHERE in this game. The only real difference is how much money I earn per mission.

Dr. Vema Gara
Master Doctor, Master Fencer
Imperial Ace (solo), Imperial Inquisition
Valcyn
(Sophitia, Trinidad on Test)

JemyM

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:00 am

#23

Roustabout...

Food

Pros: Can be carried in inventory

Cons: There is a max in what you can digest, mind cannot be healed if your drinkbar is full

Duration: 45 min

Accaragm, Garrmorrl, Brandy, 300-400pt, 45 min, 50% drink filling

Vercupti 1000, 8 min, 100% food filling

Spice

Pros: Can be carried in inventory

Cons: Short duration and horrible aftereffects

Duration: 8 min

Moun Gold, 500-600pt, 8min, hangover

Neutron Pixie, 50-1000pt in various stats, 8min, hangover after that

Doctors Buff

Pros: x5 the effect with x4 times the duration compared tothe best what anything else have to offer

Cons: Cannot be carried in inventory

Duration: 3h

Buff:1500-2500 in six attributes, no sideeffects, stackable with spice & food

Dancers Buff

Pros: Lasts 3 times as long as Brandy

Cons: Cannot be carried in inventory, Do not boost willpower and focus

Duration: 2h

Buff: 750-1100 ham, no sideeffects, stackable with spice & food

Besides that, I also have an annoying sig that looks like part of the post.

HuntinHeads

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:24 am

#24

JemyM wrote:

Being a good bounty hunter is not about tracking down a target, using tactics, knowledge and skill to take them out. Its about knowing when his/her doctorbuff runs out.

Being a daring hero, running deep into a cave where no normal people wishes to go, is not about heroism and challenge. Its about using up the well spent 12k on your latest doctors buff.

Whats the use of bothering with blood, sweat and tears while doing 5k missions when you can do 30k missions without getting harmed after a buff? You can finish six-ten missions during that time, earning more than anything else would give you, and you would probably not even being harmed by it.

When one mechanic in a game, replaces all others, its too good. Thereby, doctors are too good for this game...

There are currently three master doctors sitting here, having 10-20 people sitting around them. I talk to a friend, and ask if I shall go with him to hunt for awhile. He asks me, am I buffed? I say no. He sends me money for the buff. I already have the money, I just hadnt bothered about the buff. To him, there are no other option than I should stand in line, get buffed, so i can join him.

From the Cantina there are two dancers that spams messages about mindbuffs. They are AFK, but can do mindbuffs through a macro.

I get buffed. I follow my friend, and spend two hours killing things. Its good. I havnt used a single stimpack, food or spice, and I barely have wounds or battlefatigue. I earn roughly 100.000 in missions and alot of xp.

The doctors are away now. I hear people each minute shouting "anyone can buff?". One say "I pay 30k for a buff". Someone adds "*sigh* there are no doctors here... I think I get back to Coronet to find one".

My friend leaves for the day.

I decide "screw it, I go out there without a buff". So I take a mission, and I go out there. I was happy I could get back alive.

I'm trying to follow along with your random bittchyness, but I'm having trouble with a few things.....

>>> It seems to me that you are confusing some pvp aspects with pve. If you are hunting players, or PvPing at all, you had damn well better find some buffs. Sure you can go track down player bounties unbuffed, if you really want to, but anyone who is half decent at pvp knows to use every possible thing to thier advantage. This seperates the pvp'ers from the pve'er. Most regular pvp'ers are good at controlling all the game mechanics that pertain to thier character: buffs, foods, armor, weapons, and specials. The right combination and timing of ALL these things seperates the 1337 from the average joe.

There are plenty of caves you can solo without buffs. Again the choice is yours to make. I really don't see how you can complain about something you obviously so willing make use of. If you don't like it...... don't use it. If you do use it ...... don't complain about it. If you think you have to be buffed to do anything in the game .......... you are saddly mistaken and should go learn how to combat your toon a little better.

>>> I'm confused again! Are you complaining about getting lots of exp, or money? Or are you complaining that YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO GET BUFFED and that made the missions easier?

>>> Now you are contradicting yourself, because obviously you went out UNBUFFED and made it back. Or are you complaining that it was /girlieVoice "hard without buffs"?

If doctor buffs are TOO good, then armor won't really matter any way, or food....... so I'll be waiting to hear what loot you managed from the bottom of the DWB after you solo'ed it with your doctor buffs and NO armor or food.


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Menoetius

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:30 am

#25

Jemy it is one of choice. The player decide whether or not they wish to wait in a line for a Doctors buff.

My fellow guildies thought I was nuts running around Lowca attacking everything solo and unbuffed. Idid half of fencer thisway and all of Swords. But this was MY CHOICE.

I could have buffed myself, as my alt is one of the best crafting Doctors on Lowca in my pocket hehe.

These days I buff myself, more for harvesting organics.

Master Musiciando focus/willpower buff.

Menoetius / Eryn (12 pt MD/MCM)
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Knocky

Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:33 am

#26

Most of the "imbalance" issues can be solved simply by doubling the attack power of every mob lvl 25to 75and tripling the power of 75's and up.

I suppose this is too simple a solution to be implimented though, much better to wreak all the professions in an attempt at "balance".

/$0.02

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