Doctor Archive

Thread: iv just been told...

PsychoZid
Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:49 am
#14

Well I consider myself a newb doc, just got the title recently. And after reading the posts here, I must say I am shocked and appaled by some of the things you have witnessed and been called.


I may be considered a bad doc for this. But where I preform my healing I go head hunting in the cantina nearby for wounded people. I ofcourse ask politely if I can heal/help them and more often then not the answer is yes. And also more often than not I get a tip with out asking for one. But what bothers me more than anything is that noone seems to visit the hospitals any more, well those that do are more often there to help the holo doc's. It appears to me that the majority of players assume that the doc/medics can be found in only one of two places, either outside the starports or in the cantina. But as I only get one quater the xp for healing an entertainer I much rather heal a burn victim rather than some AFK entertainer. But if I do see an entertainer that is not AFK I will gladly heal him/her too.


Cheers.


DarthXanthic
Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:46 am
#15






GeminiMoon wrote:


Exactly what I do. What really sucks is when someone tries to get to know you so your their "friend", when really they're just after your buffs. It's funny when I'm in my store and people send me a /tell and want a discount on my products. One of the reasons whyI stopped making meds.





Yeah, all my slots open for friendsare taken at the moment


omG they send you tells asking for a discount, lol


I wonder if they do that in Wal-Mart irl.


Hello, yes Sam? Are you the store manager!? You are, great... I was wondering if maybe you'll just knock 50% off this shampoo here, you see I am too lazy to get a job (go to the mission terminal) so I was hoping you'd just, you know, give it to me?


Maximum_Overload
Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:59 am
#16

Yeah, I love being a Doc...

Random Guy: Sum1 heal me plz!!11
*I spin around and see (big surprise) a novice BH*
Random Guy (again): SUM1 plz heal11
Me: Spell the words "Someone" and "Please" correctly, and then I'll heal you.

I mean hey, I can't expect to get tipped, I have to extract some form of payment...



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DarthXanthic
Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:04 am
#17

*rofl*
aradz
Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:21 am
#18

The bloody stupid come out of the woodwork when I'm buffing, I swear to god that I have some sort of + modifier to attracting stupid people.


When I'm buffing, I usually sit in or around Theed Medical Center, and try to be as helpful as possible. I train the grinders, I heal people (if there's no one else around), I always heal the ones that are "near death" (as in 1 pt health/action, etc) so they won't have to wait so long. I really don't mind, asI make a good living off of the mission terms, loot on the forums, and selling buffs.


So I can still be sociable, I use macros for everything. When I'm buffing, it's a macro (as much so I can talk as well as so I don't miss any). When I'm healing it's a macro (just hits all 6 heal packs at once for me, so I can hit all your pools). And of course, when I get the inevitable /tell asking if I can buff, I setup a macro that gives my price, the quality of my buffs, and my exact location and waypoint. As most of you know what with the problems with bank tips right now, I specify right in the reply that I don't accept bank tips, and even give the location of the bank.


I've never understood what compells people to force me into /tell chats like this:


Player: Are you buffing?

Me: Yes, I am buffing. The cost is 8k, these buffs are 2.5k across all 6 Health/Action stats, lasting 3 hours. I am in the Theed Medical Center at <waypoint>. Please note I do not accept bank tips (due to fraud issues), there is a bank about 100m west of the Medical Center. See you soon!

Player: How good is your buff?

Me: <repeat macro>

Player: where can I find you?

Me: <repeat macro>

Player: why don't you accept bank tips?

Me: <repeat macro>


And so on and so on and so on, answering every question I just answered in the inital macro. I do not understand it, for the life of me.


After that, when my customer makes it, I even have a greeting macro:

Hello %NT <just says first name>, I am ready to buff you now. The cost is 8k (NO BANK TIPS) for a 2.5k buff on all your 6 stats. Please tip me when you're ready.


Again, I end up mashing that macro over and over again while my bivoli slowly trickles away. Why can't people read the whole thing the first time?



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PsychoZid
Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:56 am
#19

Ah yes this sure is good stuff I can see I have learn some more manners and a HUGE amount of patiance for when I finally do get that masters title. But for the live of me, I agree why cant people read what you say to them I have seen it over and over again, not for me as I am not so good at buffing yet. But around. Though you Aradz is one of the few I have seen that wants a real tip, most docs say bank tip so they have a que to go by. Care to elborate on that fraud issue, it would be nice to know more about it so I/we as doctors know what to look out for.

Traigus
Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:14 am
#20

IMO, the player base has been getting worse as time goes on.

Even the Novice Doctor and Master Medic tags are no longer safe from this kinda stuff. At one point I played one of my alts for 3 weeks, because the tells were making me really angry. Entertainers get the same treatment too. "Come to the cantina now!" kinda stuff.

-T



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DarthXanthic
Fri Apr 09, 2004 10:37 am
#21

Jackasses *sigh*


I NEVER wear any of my medical tags, ESPECIALLY doctor.


kdthom
Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:22 am
#22

you know, its interesting reading these posts. I dont usually buff for money because I dont have to and would rather spend my time doing something else but the times I have buffed others for cash somewhere, i've always had good experiences. maybe theres more nicer players on kett than your servers, who knows, but players have always been very cordidial and respectful when I buff them. /shrug




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vortexala
Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:46 am
#23

Heh... this is never going to change. The outlook people have on the Medical Healing profession is now set in stone. The only change it'll make will be a downward spiral, I'm afraid...



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atimes
Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:04 pm
#24







vortexala wrote:





atimes wrote:


The orignal poster does not give docs a bad name. However some of the other posters in this thread are.


The nice people always outnumber the jerks. Always. No matter how jaded, obnoxious or rude you have becomeyou cannot deny this.


The nice do outnumber the jerks, this is true. But it's the jerks that leave the lasting impression.


Putting on your master doc tag just to tell people you are not buffing and feeling good about it. . . that is sad.


I'd have to agree that is a little mean... not that I haven't thought of it once or twice, but it's not something I'd actually do.


I wasn't ashamed to be a doc but I was after reading that. Some of you "doctors" amaze me. I encounter rude people from time to time as well. I just tell myself that the 5000 nice people before him make it not matter as much.


I shudder to think what would happen if game mechanics were changed and buffs were not the hot topic they are now. What will we do if we ever have to go back to (oh horrors) being respectful of customers.


It isn't always an issue of being respectful to customers. Some folks go out of their way to be caring, respectful healers and STILL get the jerk treatment.


Oh devs I implore thee to never allow this to happen


I'm with JasonK on this one. Somehow for some odd reason I just don't seem to get the idiots you guys seem to have to deal with every second of your online lives.


But you have had your share, yes? Some folks seem to draw the idiots like magnets(good docs and indifferent docs alike) and some folks luck out and get them on a rare occassion. Consider yourself lucky you haven't had as many as others.


If it's that bad pick another profession already. You can probably grind it out as easy as you grinded out this one by healing tumblers (and probably ignoring people who needed help along the way)


Going a bit far there, don't you think? Not every doc grinded his way up. Plenty of the first wave are still around from the start of the game and their experiences are just as valid as yours. They became Docs the old-fashioned way, healing people. They just happen to have more issues then you do with the jerk-to-nice person ratio.


If you enjoy being a doc then just put up with the rare jerk and quit being a jerk yourself.


So you rez a guy for free, it's not the end of the world. So you heal some wounds for free, it's not the end of the world.


Since when did "FREE" become a dirty word in SWG?


Since when did 'Thank You' become a dirty word? Since when did common courtesy become a thing of the past?


It's not always about the money. Some of us would rather have a simply 'Thank You' then creds....and we can't even seem to garner that.


Message Edited by atimes on 04-09-2004 03:21 PM




I agree, there are jerks on both sides of this. And I don't blame those Healers who have grown weary of dealing with the jerks and simply ignore their requests(not condoning some of the retalliatory actions done, although I do find a bit of humour in them).


Fact of the matter is that Medical and Entertainment Healers have always gotten the shaft in terms of common courtesy. Both have to deal with idiots who think that 'xp' is the end-all, be-all 'payment' for services rendered. They never take into account the time, monetary or resource investments involved. They don't take into account the fact that the person on the other end is, in all actuality, a REAL live person deserving of some simple decency.


They don't take into account that a 'payment' can be in the form of a simple 'Thank You'.


Yes...there are idiots on both sides of this issue, but at least those of us on this side of it can point to our experience as a reason for our actions. What do those on the other side have to point to for not being able to type out two words?






I don't know man. I guess it just doesn't bother me. There has only been once that I got tempted to ignore someone and I've been a master doc for a few months. I know I made a generalization with my tumbler analogy but dude I am so sick and tired of walking into med centers and seeing a ton of "medics" around healing a tumble monkey and having people asking for healing and getting ignored. The sad part is there are docs here who would say "It's their own fault. They are getting what they deserve for treating us like crap"


The vast vast majority of customers I get are friendly, patient (I've had people wait up to half an hour for buffs without a single complaint) and just plain NICE. THAT is what leaves a lasting impression on me. THAT is what makes me have a good time. When a jerk comes it's so easy to ignore because I just consider the really cool people I've met as a doc. So they don't thank me however the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO so if a person doesn't say thank you (even though it's appreciated) it's not the end of the world for me.


I once had a guy tip me 10K for just healing a few wounds. Even though it's not the norm and even though not everyone is like that, that sticks with me far more than the "will sum1 com to dath and rez me and buf me plz and if u don't u r teh suxxorz" types of people.


We complain about the rare exceptional jerk but we never commend the rare exceptional nice tipper. . . .

Message Edited by atimes on 04-09-2004 04:13 PM

vortexala
Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:14 pm
#25






atimes wrote:

I don't know man. I guess it just doesn't bother me. There has only been once that I got tempted to ignore someone and I've been a master doc for a few months. I know I made a generalization with my tumbler analogy but dude I am so sick and tired of walking into med centers and seeing a ton of "medics" around healing a tumble monkey and having people asking for healing and getting ignored. The sad part is there are docs here who would say "It's their own fault. They are getting what they deserve for treating us like crap"


The vast vast majority of customers I get are friendly, patient (I've had people wait up to half an hour for buffs without a single complaint) and just plain NICE. THAT is what leaves a lasting impression on me. THAT is what makes me have a good time. When a jerk comes it's so easy to ignore because I just consider the really cool people I've met as a doc. So they don't thank me however, The MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO so if a person doesn't say thank you it's not the end of the world for me.






I'll be honest, I'm sick of the macro-tumble monkeys myself. I walked into a hospital once, offered 10K for some minor wound healing, and got not a single reply. Got to the point where I don't expect healing in a Medcenter. I just go there to auto-heal and self-heal. Did actually find someone once who actually WAS healing and I must say I was floored...gave the guy a 20K tip for actually doing things the old-fashioned way


The reason I harp on the fact I don't get a Thank You for healing is because, quite frankly, it's the least a person could do. At first, I expected payment. Then when that didn't work out, I settled for tips. Then, when even that didn't work out, I began settling for a simple 'Thank You'. And, hell, even that rarely happens.


It's just a personal issue, really. Return kindness with kindness, I heal you and all I ask for in return is a simple thank you. It's not the end of the world if they don't, but it does stick in my mind and I'll remember it the next time. Those who treat me with a modicum of respect get preferential treatment in return visits.


Just my personal view on it *shrug*





~Texxie Xetrov~
Retired Mayor of Vesania, Corellia, Chilastra
Retired Combat Medic Correspondent(Feb 04 - Dec 04)

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PsychoZid
Sat Apr 10, 2004 12:11 am
#26

One thing that springs tomind. How often do people tip you for your services? I mean that we maty say we as a doc charge a 1.000cr, only a speculation,for a complete heal if the got like 200+ wounds in their H&A bars. Or do people ask you what the price is and the tip you while youre working on them?


I know I have gotten tips without asking and also some that asked me how much I wanted. To the later I simply said what ever he/she deemed fair and I got a generous tip. I could be wrong here in not setting a standard fee, I know that the resources we need as a doc dont come cheap and neither does maintaining that extractors we need to pull out the things we need. So maybe I am just some daydreamer in hoping that people will start tipping their medic's/doctor's/entertainers again? Who knows. But atleast I hope that the trend in expecting a doc or medic working for free will soon come to an end, oh and I also hope it will happen soon that entertainers will start being ATK too.


Like I said I might just be a hopefull daydreamer.


Cheers.
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