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Thread: Petition for making Buffing a Master Doc skill only.

khamafeu
Mon May 24, 2004 9:44 am
#14


I Mastered Doctor for the Holo and found I liked it. I kept ir for about 2 months now, beause I need skill points I became a 0440 Doc. First thing I noticed was, If was selling my buffs and a Master Doc apeared, I had no takers. My buffs where like 1900 and theirs was 2450 or so... No competition there. If you're not a master doc your buffs will be about 25% lower, always. Bivolli both can drink, both have a droid so in the end 25% difference. I think beeinga Master Doc is beeng in the buff business, not beeing a MD is not beeing in it. If you go to a really high end place you need the 2,4K+ buff. It will make a difference.



As to afk Doctors buffs? What are they and how do they work? I saw a macro that worked with an invite and then buffed. Do that invite him and kill his buff packs. Changing the status to master doc will only make beeing an AFK MD more appealing. And don't forget the ASK MAcroing is permitted by SOE. So what they are doing is OK adn by the book.



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Flynn_Nomad
Mon May 24, 2004 10:05 am
#15






Well I promptly heal all those asking (since it is my job) and you know what, they could not thank me enough I even got tipped close to 30k.




1st, you shouldn't speak for everyone when you assume "its my job"...


I mean, if I see a Master Artisan walking by, can I say.."Hey dude, make me a swoop please?" and if he doesn't I can't get all pissed at him...people play how they want to.


2nd, 30k tip total was nice, but you know you cant count on that, it's a tip after all...


They need to make buffing like the new Entertainer ID interface, you can only buff through that...





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ImperialPilot21
Mon May 24, 2004 10:12 am
#16

I have been a Master Doc for going on two months... its the one profession I dont plan on getting rid of unless I have to.
I am also a Doc that Buffs on a regular basis in the Mining Outpost on Dant. I have a regular customer base, and I ask
a bit more per buff session than most Master Docs that wander into town. I also carry quite a few wound packs with me.


You know what I have discovered? players beg and beg for heals, and could care less that it costs the doc time, resources
and money to craft the wound packs... If a player buys a buff from me, I check him/her out and heal a bulk of thier wounds.
Then buff...


But the point of your subject I can agree with... there are too many soon to be Master Doctors running around the servers
charging Master Doctor prices for buffs that are half as good... The are intentionally misleading the general population so
they can make a bunch of credits while they grind away at a profession they dont care at all about. Face it. Like entertainers.
players could care less about Docs or Medics or even CM's unless one of three conditions are met... they have 5 or more
in wounds, can get buffed, or are grouped with. Sure its one of our jobs to heal the sick and injured, but a player can only be
crapped on so many times before he or she stops doing what they should and start doing what they want.


I plan on healing everyone just before I buff them just as I have done since I hit master doc... but I will not interrupt my queue
of players waiting for a buff for someone who is wandering around /shouting for heals when they have virtually no wounds
and a ton of BF...







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Roustabout
Mon May 24, 2004 10:25 am
#17

Definitely not sign.


People who are doctors simply for their template or because they are grinding will move on during the next big thing. Some people only want x24x because they don't like to craft. I say if they really don't want to be able to make medicines and only want to buff then so be it.


Honestly how does it impact us at all? If you're a master and you can't drum up business then you're doing something wrong. If you're just mad because there are bad doctors out there then I suggest you get over it because there are bad every professions in this game. I've learned that those bad doctors make me even more at a premium when it comes crunch time. I actually know how to use dizzy and intimidate cures, heals, and rezzes...imagine. I woudn't worry bout it too much, the non-masters are good business (90 med use packs) and take some of the buffing load off of us.


And I really don't see the problem with the 'buff bot' I have only one characterand whenever I'm asleep or gone I have it loaded for my guild. So if /afkers couldn't do the buff bot then it'dpeople like me. And it would screw people who have their prices, duration, and power as theiraway message while buffing. To me if people really don't want to deal with a doctor and want the quick buff bot then so be it. Everyone on here always complains about being pestered yet whenever a 'lesser' doctor takes 'our' role it becomes a problem.


I've been master for 6 months now. I stopped holo grinding because I refused to give up master doctor. I think the way doctor works now is just fine and honestly, the less developer intervention in our profession the better.
Roustabout
Mon May 24, 2004 10:26 am
#18



Thanks Lithium!!!!

Message Edited by Roustabout on 05-24-2004 12:26 PM

Wolf_Scout
Mon May 24, 2004 10:37 am
#19

First off I do not have any trouble drumming up business I buff for over 2450, what I do have a problem with is the dabblers and people that just want to make a profit with very little effort and in effect give Docs a BAD NAME. I am proud to be a doc and I enjoy it, I PvP and have no problem trying to rez someone under fire, I wonder if any of these AFKers which is a exploit have ever healed anyone but a tumbler as they grinded it. We need something more at master doc then just a 10-15% difference in buffs. Maybe poison or Disease innoculations or AOE packs should be Master doc, just look at a lot of these threads here and see how many complaints(too many docs), how to make cash etc threads there are. If you think we are fine at master doc with a measley 10-15% buff difference thats fine, I think we need more.



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Travin64068
Mon May 24, 2004 11:36 am
#20






Wolf_Scout wrote:

First off I do not have any trouble drumming up business I buff for over 2450, what I do have a problem with is the dabblers and people that just want to make a profit with very little effort and in effect give Docs a BAD NAME. I am proud to be a doc and I enjoy it, I PvP and have no problem trying to rez someone under fire, I wonder if any of these AFKers which is a exploit have ever healed anyone but a tumbler as they grinded it. We need something more at master doc then just a 10-15% difference in buffs. Maybe poison or Disease innoculations or AOE packs should be Master doc, just look at a lot of these threads here and see how many complaints(too many docs), how to make cash etc threads there are. If you think we are fine at master doc with a measley 10-15% buff difference thats fine, I think we need more.





I really don't think they give Doctors a bad name, they give themselves a bad name. Word gets around that XXXXXXX doesn't heal, he only buffs. I have never once been told I was a bad Doctor because some other Doc wouldn't or couldn't heal someone.


Using ingame macros is not an exploit no matter how much we want it to be. I use a macro to buff people, I select the person and click the button and it cycles through my packs buffing every stat so I don't forget one. I'm still at the keyboard incase something goes wrong (like they warp out of my range). Some Doctors put their prices and stats in their AFK message so when people send a /tell they get all the info. So they may not really be AFK, but using their AFK message to advertise for them.


We've been asking for Poison and Disease Innoculations for months, and I don't see them coming anytime soon. However, smart money puts them at Master Doctor to craft and use. AoE is more a Combat Medics domain, and I would like to see AoE wound heals that can only be used by someone that's a Master Doctor and Master Combat Medic.


That 10-15% difference in buffs does make an impact when selling buffs. It would be the difference between a 2000 point buff and a 2200 - 2300 point buff. If both are selling for 10K which do you want? When I'm playing my Combat character and I want buffs, I look for the guy with the Master Doctor above his head. The 0-4-4-0 Doctors are already at the mercy of Master Doctors to provide them with buff packs, and are at a severe disadvantage if they run out during a buff session. Where I carry enough supplies that I can craft a few packs on the fly.


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Nema0879
Mon May 24, 2004 2:28 pm
#21


why couldn't we either make enhance A, enhance B, enhance C, and enhance D all skills instead of having a med use requirement or .... make enhance d's only applicable at master doc ie make the med use so high that the resulting power once they were experimented down to enhance 90 even from good resources would onlybe comporable to C's ....


I'm a doc that sells enhance packs and I would gladly embrace changing the system to make other enhances viable in the system somehow ... as it stands ... NOBODY uses enhance a, b's or c's ....

Message Edited by Nema0879 on 05-24-2004 10:31 PM




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LergTHEbutcher
Mon May 24, 2004 11:16 pm
#22

quit your bitchin
SharkBoy007
Tue May 25, 2004 2:25 am
#23






Softail wrote:

Wolf_Scout, I agree with you that the afk buffer's are giving us Master Doctor's a bad name but I not sure if moving buff's to Master is going solve anything I think there should be a catch in the system that if you go afk and try to buff it won't let you.


I have a friend who was a 4/4/4/0 Doctor so that he could buff himself and other guild mate's which helped me when we would go hunting on Dath, Endor or Yavin 4, so you see I'm glad that he could buff and not have to be a Master Doc.







I think the idea of penalizing those who are /afk is kind of wrong. There are those doctors that have the /afk thing up, so that when someone doesn't see what they're asking for due to all the spam, they get the same info by sending a /tell that gives the message about their buff stats and the cost. There's got to be a better way. Of course, I'm not a doctor, so I wouldn't presume to know a whole lot



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Khronos-
Tue May 25, 2004 4:33 am
#24

personaly i think that Buff D's should be limited to MDs only...that would solve most of the problem =)



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Travin64068
Tue May 25, 2004 5:20 am
#25






Nema0879 wrote:


I'm a doc that sells enhance packs and I would gladly embrace changing the system to make other enhances viable in the system somehow ... as it stands ... NOBODY uses enhance a, b's or c's ....

Message Edited by Nema0879 on 05-24-2004 10:31 PM




I use A's all the time. They still hit for almost 600 points for 45 minutes. They're great for just running a couple missions to collect some meat. All buff packs have their place and Doctors just need to figure out where that place is. The trouble is that most people would rather spend 10K on a set of D buffs to kill gnorts on Naboo than get a set of A's which is right for their level of combat.


If /healEnhance is moved to Master Doctor, then Doctor will become another profession that is viewed as useless unless you're going to master it. The skill point system is suppose to be dabbler freindly and I really don't see the Devs move the /healEnhance skill. I would rather put my effort to getting something NEW for the Master Doctors.


- Travin



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Tras2
Tue May 25, 2004 9:27 am
#26

Bladepoint unles you plan to stay at the mining post and buff 24/7 then stop bitching about AFK docs. I run a AFK buff hosue with my alt Avenia. I had planed on closing it down when i opend up Jedi but now i have 150 - 250 peeps come buy my buff hosue every day. I log her in and get 10 tells in less then 1 minut so mabe you have a gripe with Afk buff houses but IMHO many non Doc players like them. And about the wound healing with a AFK doc this can be added to a macro with NP.


Im sick of peeps in SWG tring to push there openions on everyonr else and we all have dif, ways we play the game.





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