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Thread: The Diffence between a good Doctor and a bad Doctor

EspiritoOmega
Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:32 pm
#14

Good doc, and bad doc eh? if you consider a master doc in the med center a bad doc, because hes not healing wounds, consider the fact that there might be a novice medic around, who needs the exp. Im so sorry if your in a rush to go out there and hunt, but some docs like to give others the chance to gain the exp. So if you do not have the patience to wait for your heal, then go somewhere else. Second thing to consider is if you are factioned. This is a galactic civil war. Me being rebel, if an imp is poisoned, diseased, dieing, crying, whatever, the hell with him(no offense to the imps out there, but this is a civil war after all). I joined a faction for a reason, and that alone is why i choose not tohelp the enemy. Docs sure as hell arent going to try to heal the enemy if they are unloading eye shot, or being flamed. Now, there are the docs, like myself who do not help everyone. I dont care if you need to get a buff, i dont care if you are going to pay, i dont want to do it. That is the most annoying thing of all. If docs are not in the med center saying they are buffing, or by the starport spamming it, why in the heck should we respond to a tell??? This is by far the most annoying factor of being a doctor. Now, someone is going to retort with, "your a doc, thats what you are suppose to do." That is very much a false statement. I am a person, as every other doc. We choose to do what we want, when we want. If that is an issue for people who are non docs, you have 2 options. 1, buy a second account, and make your own doc. 2, drop your skills and become a doc. We owe no alligence to anyone but other docs as far as im concerned. We are the most harrassed, and insulted profession in SWG, yet, the same people complaining are always the ones crying for buffs, because they dont have the stats to go hunt hard creatures. Wake the hell up here people. Now, as for the docs who do everything for everyone, I salute you. You have much more patience then I do. But, Doc is only one of my professions, and when im in the middle of a battle, getting tells about buffs and heals and i do not respond, why am i the bad guy? There is no reason why I need to drop what im doing to make your next 3 to 4 hours easier. but, "your a doc, thats what your suppose to do" wrong, im a sniper who likes to kill things, and just made the decision to get the skills that enhance my stats, and cure all mind states to help me kill things alot quicker.



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alpinestreams
Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:43 pm
#15

Truth is most "good" doctors don't hang out in the Medical center. Only time I've ever gone to the medical center was for when I was leveling medic/Doctor and needed training.


I carry everything and I always have little intentory room and I charge nothing forheals and I almost never buff the public.


But does that make me a "good doctor"? I don't know if there is such a thing. We all play the game differently. For some, Doc might not be their primary proff and it may not be their priority to do "doc" things.


I'm basically saying to each their own.






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Vermicious_Knid
Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:10 am
#16

The medical and entertainer professions are plagued with this wierd clique that has decided that anyone who doesn't play the way they do is not a "real" doc, or dancer, or whatever.



I don't know if it's people who came in from other games, or what. But people take on these professions for a lot of different reasons.



There are many more reasons to be a doctor than to be some white-coated angel of mercy who sits in the med center healing wounds.


Some of them are strictly business related.



Some of them are strictly combat related.



The title means different things in game than in life. For some, it means they are a better fighter because they can buff themselves when they die and cure states.


For some, it means they can support themselves by selling buffs, or support a guild.


For some, it means they can enjoy crafting by striving to make the best medicines. And some of them also make a handsome profit selling them. Some do not.


Others like to roleplay the traditional healer, providing all types of services to anyone who needs them.



All of these are valid playstyles. I'm tired of the "Teacher, Johnny isn't playing right" whining we get here all the time.



If you want to see how far this can go if we're not careful, go check out the dancer board.



I play my way, you play your way.



Difference is, I don't think my way is the only way.








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XxEvilFirexX
Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:30 am
#17

I disagree mostly because i stopped carrying heal packs because people would show up to get buffs with a full blackbar of health and action. Then there is the people who rush up and tell you to heal them for free because it's their job. I hardly sell buffs anymore and i try to stay away from being in a guild because then they expect free buffs. If that makes me a bad doctor then i'll be that, i call it having a choice



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skeetzo
Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:35 am
#18

couldnt of said it better myself. why does everyone else feel that i owe them something and im there at a snap of theyre figers. if im busy no im not gonna buff, if im half way across teh planet no imnot gonna travel. i dont expect everyone else to wait on me. i dont tell all scouts to go harvest for me. its a service that doesnt have to be done for anyone. i do what i want to do i dont owe u anything. il quite happily help people out but im not gonna sacrifice what im doing to do it. i knw this may all sound selfish but ill be damned if i can remember the last time someoe did it for me.





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skeetzo
Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:17 am
#19

oh i was saying that mostly in response to espiritmomega's post a few up.



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Flynn_Nomad
Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:05 am
#20

IRL a heart surgeon isn't as good of a brain surgeon as a brain surgeon is...


Some people like to specialize, that's all...


Leaves you more room to be a "good doctor" right?


I say a good doctor runs around in battles healing states and using stimpacks, do you do that, thread author??





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Kulolips
Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:19 am
#21



Think I'll chime in my 2 credits worth here. Kassuf hit this one right on the head, and I'd like to reitterate and add.


First off, to the people who hate these tumblers so much - I would suggest you try going master doc "the old fashioned way". If you've never played a doc, I really suggest you try it. If you currently play one and hate them, I suggest its been quite some time since you hit master and have forgotten how difficult climbing the xp tree is. Now I will admit that these tumblers should limit their activities to med centers. The ones spamming "Tip me, tip me" in front of the starport every 5 seconds bug the piss out of me too. But the ones in the med centers are a saint IMO. It was because of them (and a RL friend a few times) that I was able to climb the doc trees in an acceptable amount of time. Earning your med xp out in the field would take an immense amount of time.


As for the good doc/bad doc thing.... Kassuf was right on on this one. What 99% of the non-doctor population fails to realize is that wound packs take the same amount of time (and afair amount of resources) as an enhance pack to craft. Now with that in mind, how many doctors have you seen with the macro "Master Doc Wound Heals ....". None. You know why? Because 99.5% of the players will not pay to have their wounds healed. None. Nobody. Now I gladly do it for free when asked assuming I have the necessary packs on me. You know why? Because the money I make buffing or running missions affords me to. Now for those precious few that actually tip for getting their wounds healed, I make sure I send them a tell saying thank you. I'd say I send about 1 or 2 tells a week.


Inventory space is also a factor. I simply do not have the room in my pack to carry around 6 enhance packs, 6 wound packs, a disease pack, a poison pack, a flame blanket, a rez pack, resources for replacements, full suit of composite, weapons, doc clothing, bivoli, brandy, canape, droid batteries,etc etc... and still have room for loot out in the field. And frankly none of it is worth carrying except the enhance packs and my adventure gear. You people **edit** and complain about paying 12,000cr for a 3hour+ buff that even at a snail's pace will earn you 100,000cr easily. And running Janta missions in a solo group will get you 500,000+ easy. I know. I used to do it. And thats where I made 90% of my cash, because it was a better investment of my time.


Being a doctor ain't cheap. You are absolutely broke untill you hit master and manage to save enough to craft/buy some buff packs. All available capital is spent onresources for stim packs and BECs. And even after that, it is still an expensive venture. I've always bought my buff packs, and i pay 20,000cr per pack of 850+ power 11,000+ duration 30 charge Enhance Ds. Thats a good price and thats the bare minimum that most customers will accept as far as buffs. I'm hitting 2300 to 2600 per stat and I get ppl that tell me my buffs suck. /shrug Go elsewhere then.


Now I'm trying to get myself set up so that I can craft my own packs. I'd like my packs be be at least of the quality of the packsI buy. In the last 3 days I've spent over 2.5 million just on harvesters, generators, factories, maintenance, and some resources that are of a better quality than is currently spawned. Not to mention the sheer amount of time I've spent placing these, finding stocked vendors, etc etc. And I'm STILL not in a position to make buff packs because I still need herbivore and avian meat. Am I going to pay 400cpu on meat? Hell no! Thats 8800cr cost just in meat on a 20,000cr buff pack. I'll get it myself, thanks.


Anyhow, what I think alot of people fail to realize is the amount of time and effort a doctor goes through to make his earnings. Is the potential there to earn the big money? Yep. But its not as simple as you may think. If you don't believe me, or any of the fine doctors here - I suggest you drop your TKA or Commando and have a go at it yourself.


DarthBukai
Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:48 am
#22

TRANSLATION:


Good Doctor: Plays the way that Ganger wants.


Bad Doctor: Plays in a way other than what Ganger wants and does it for money. Waaaah!


This reminds me of my Artisan days when people demanded that vehicles be affordable by everyone even if it meant giving some away for free. Artisans were "greedy" and "just in it for the money". Yes, AFK healing of and AFK tumbler is lame but that is unrelated to what a Doc ultimately chooses to do with his/her skills. If you walk into a Med center and nobody heals you, they are AFK or they have their reasons. It's not because they hate you or that they torture kittens IRL. Anyone at their keyboard and in need of xp will jump on real patients. A Doc who only buffs and makes money doing it has specialized and carries what he/she wants, not what YOU want.



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Ariven
Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:28 pm
#23

> That's similar to what I carry minus the foods (but have
> Bivoli and Brandy), I store less used stuff in my storage
> droid and some resources in the backpack along with

My 5-10 spare slots include the fact that my backpack is chock full.. my droid has a heavy harvester and an emergency backup set of medium power buffs JUST in case ..

I could probably free up a little, I made a set of enhance-A buffs.. +300 to their stats for just under an hour.. for those who beg for free buffs.. I dont really need to carry them around

> crated and spare packs and carry an FWG5, 2 Scouts, DX2
> and Sonic pistols and armor. I often only buff my town's

It helps that I am a TKM on my doc, only carry two weapons.. my "disembowler" VK and my PvP VK.

my main toon is returning to combat after some grinding of professions, so I picked up about 8-10 different weapons (BH/pistoleer) and I still have 45 slots free overall.. sigh...

I want a med bag that gives another 50 slots, but can ONLY be used for med and med crates...



> citizens and guildies but when I'm in Theed I
> occasionally get asked to buff and end up having 15-20
> customers (like the first day of the DWB opening, no docs
> were around)
Arriranha
Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:40 pm
#24


When youre a Master you can do as you please. Im doing you a damn favour not healing those sods, or would you rather I hog all the medical exp, though I dont need it? Wound healing is for the Medical Center where you can find Medics. I am an Enhancer, I Cure. You are a Nurse and cant do anything good but heal, so do your job and stop your baz nitching.






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Thina
Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:48 pm
#25

I would disagree.



I only carry buff packs and I dont heal wounds.. The reason is the wound packs take the same work as a buff pack to make and people DEMAND you heal there wounds and run off no thx and no tip. but it cost me maintnace on harvesters and factorys, travel costs, storage of all the recorces and the time to make everything. for people to bark at me to heal there wounds then run off.



I also have people msg me asking me to go 5k meters to revive and heal them and i ask what will they tip me and they say nothing they dont have any credits. i tell them to clone and they get mad telling me I dont like my profession. I do like it but to expect me to be at all that expense and not to recieve even a thank you.





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Kassuff
Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:33 pm
#26






MorvenDee wrote:
A good doctor carries a CRATE of everything so they never run out of meds, and has hotkey macros for everything they can heal/cure/buff. And everything in each crate has the best possible experimented stats from the best possible resources, so every cure works first time every time, every buff is as big as possible and every heal fills the health and action bars to full. That's a good doctor.







That's true...you can carry almost everything you need to craft medical item in 2 storage droids(ASDS, ACDRM, ALS, ABEC, high quality organic, high quality inorganic, inert gas, crated stims, poison/disease/intimidate/stun/blind/dizzy cures and either crates of, or materials to build enhance packs)


BTW: Did I mention my alt sells storage droids? /endshamelessplug

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