Doctor Archive

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Nema0879 wrote:

So does this mean no more tumbling? hrm ... It could be a good thing ... dunno ... looks like I have to go play on tc some more in a bit

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If the just nerfec recursive macros then that problem would pretty much solve itself...

I don't mind having the xp requirments raised, at least the prof becomes a little harder to get, but what in the world is the point of not getting xp for healing? I picked doc because it didn't have to be a combat based proffession and now they are FORCING me into combat anyway! I guess the good days of SWG are over and it's just turned into another mindless fighting game...

I really hope it's a bug, and if it is I do appologize for my above comments. But by the way they state it, it sure doesn't seem like a bug...

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QuiGonWindu wrote:

Professional changes

• Medical XP is now tracked as part of combat and is granted with the kill credit.
  
• Altered medical XP requirements to match other combat professions

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This is confirmed. Spent the better part of the last 24 hrs getting to 3/3/4/4 medic, kicked off when they dropped TC5, logged back in, and not only are the last 2 boxes 70k instead of 15k XP, but I don't get squat for XP when healing ANYONE.

So the last 140k of XP I have to get in combat.

Someone explain my motivation for healing ANYONEEVER again??

Message Edited by QuiGonWindu on 04-02-2005 07:04 PM

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Message Edited by MyT_Chicken on 04-02-2005 10:53 PM

Hmm...after thinking about this a bit (my initial reaction was to spam this guy over and over) I guess it's not TOO bad as long as we actually have the capacity to heal someone outside of combat, even is there is no xp. I still want it back the way it was though, and the same for system messages.

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Bisola wrote:
Hmm...after thinking about this a bit (my initial reaction was to spam this guy over and over) I guess it's not TOO bad as long as we actually have the capacity to heal someone outside of combat, even is there is no xp. I still want it back the way it was though, and the same for system messages.

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Trust me...I was like WTH when I logged back in......But yes we can heal out side of combat...we just don't get anything for it. Although in a few tests I got XP for healing a person not in my group.....I'm still trying to figure it out, but I think it has something to do with disbanding at the last second....but its very random.

After playing it for nearly 7 hours straight, I like the changes....it brings Medic (Doctor and CM where also raised in XP ifno one noticed that)into alignment with the Combat Profession. And the good thing is, if you are coordinated enough you can get max healing and max combat XP at the same time...but its....difficult. I like the new healing rules and XP rates.....but I agree...I would like to know when I heal someone....

Because they moved the "You healed XXX" into the combat spam....with a group of 5, it's there...oh wait no its not. So It's very confusing to know when you actually healed someone....I don't like it. I would rather have a system message popping up.

After talking with some group members last night, I got a lot of answers on how experience works in groups. Here is the break down.

When a group attacks a creature or NPC, the total experience the creature would give one person is divided to the group based on each player's individual combat level. As long as that player fills a roll during combat, that player will get their share of the creature's experience. From my testing, the experience gained can be weapons experience (divided by damage using the different weapons classes), medical experience, and trapping experience.

For example, let's say a 2-person group of even level players attacks a sevorrt. If Player A and Player B shoots it the whole time and each damages it at least once, each would get (for example) 500 experience of their weapon type. If Player A shoots his pistol the whole time, while Player B heals player A at least once during combat but does not shoot at the sevorrt, then Player A would get 500 pistol experience and Player B would get 500 Medical experience. Medical experience is now based on creature experience, not necessarily on the amount of health healed.

If Player B healed Player A once for 200 damage, but attacked the sevorrt for a total of 200 damage, Player B would get about 250 medical experience and 250 weapons experience. It's all about proportions.

What these changes put in with the last patch do is make healing on par with combat professions, thus it's just as easy to gain medical exp as any weapons exp, as long as you have someone to heal.

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A bit on exp in multi-level groups. If a group has players with levels 3, 5, and 12, each would get their share of enemy experience. I think it's split evenly on level proportions. So that the level 3 player would get 15% (3/20), while the level 12 player would get 60% (12/20). This allows lower leveled players to still be in groups attacking higher content, yet they will get lower experience since their ability to assist may be lower than other group members. Healing skill boxes do count towards player level, so healers' role in combat is definitely not forgotten.

Message Edited by Sunakk on 04-03-2005 05:13 AM

I just hope healing wounds out of combat will still get someone medic exp. That shouldn't be a problem I think, since self-inflicting wounds would be more trouble then its worth.

But I guess we won't know until they unlock elite professions.

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MyT_Chicken wrote:

You must be in a group and healing a person during combat to get XP. You get no XP for "Just Healing" anymore. You must be in a group and the person must be in Combat to get XP **AFTER** the creature is dead.

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I just hope all of you finally shuts up regarding the complaint that doctors are being forced to group now...

Sure we don't HAVE to group, but we only learn IF we group...

Walking ambulance duty here we come!

After the new patch last night I tried to figure out how to get XP for healing and did manage to get it without being in a group if I was also attacking the same thing as the person I was healing. But if I'm healing someone I don't want to be attacking too, especially since I can't stay in combat once I stop targeting what I'm attacking in order to target the person I'm going to heal, because then the auto-attack stops working so then the creature stops fighting me.

I don't like this at all. Medics and doctors are not combat professions! Combat medics, yes I can understand calling them a combat profession, but not the others. However, the XP CMs get for healing should work the same way as the others. If somehow you want to have a different XP for when they use poisons, etc as a weapon, I can see the argument for that, but not for their healing.

Now that being in a group lowers the XP I get for killing something, even if I'm the only one doing damage to it (because being in a group raises my level) I wasn't grouping last night. But then I find that I don't get XP for healing anyone anymore. Not good. Yes, on live I'm usually in a group when hunting, but here, and when I was a new player that needed XP, I heal anyone who needs it in the hopes that I'll get XP. Yes, even as a master I'll heal somebody if they need it and aren't in my group even though I don't need the XP, but that's just the way I am and not everybody is like this. For me, I'll continue to heal people on TC5 even if they aren't in my group and I don't get XP, but this doesn't change the fact that I should be getting XP for doing this. And what about when somebody still needs healing after fighting? I heal them but because what they were fighting is already dead I get no XP, this isn't fair either.

I guess the fact that weapons and combat XP doesn't depend on how much damage you do anymore (except for the fact that either you or your group must do the majority of the damage to get any XP) is why they've changed the med XP to not depend on how much you've healed for. But since I think that changing the weapons and combat XP was a bad thing to do, I also think this is a bad thing to do too.

I also want the amount that I've healed back as a system message, it's way too hard to see it in the combat spam.

This is a HEALING profession, not a combat profession. Give me my XP for healing and give the fighters their XP for fighting, don't try and stick us all into one category.

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MyT_Chicken wrote:

You must be in a group and healing a person during combat to get XP. You get no XP for "Just Healing" anymore. You must be in a group and the person must be in Combat to get XP **AFTER** the creature is dead.

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I just hope all of you finally shuts up regarding the complaint that doctors are being forced to group now...

Sure we don't HAVE to group, but we only learn IF we group...

Walking ambulance duty here we come!

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Just because you don't find the profession to be combat related doesn't mean we shouldn't have a combat role.

If you don't want to leave the starport or med center, that's your choice. But we should not all be restricted to that role.

I wouldn't mind these changes if there wasn't such thing as a combat medic. Not many wars have surgeons up on the front lines in the trenches, they're back in the hospitals helping people. Of course, this is a game, but the same idea applies.

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SantosL wrote:

I just hope all of you finally shuts up regarding the complaint that doctors are being forced to group now...

Sure we don't HAVE to group, but we only learn IF we group...

Walking ambulance duty here we come!

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Just because you don't find the profession to be combat related doesn't mean we shouldn't have a combat role.

If you don't want to leave the starport or med center, that's your choice. But we should not all be restricted to that role.

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You miss the point, if I don't want to leave the starport or med center it's my choice, but i won't get any XP anymore for it. That means those who aren't really interested in doing ambulance duty to fighters in a combat role are the ones being restricted to that role, not the other way around...