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STLpMpNu wrote:

There is supply and demand. But whats to happen when you piss off the wrong person by price gouging and that is what its doing. To charge that much in this economy i see them as being a crook. I don't see the effects of this since i do my own buffs but i see the majority of the community getting riped off and i don't like it. Makeing your own buffs and buffing people for money is a huge markup and for the record most avian meat is 60-150 cpu and herb meat is 30cpu + depending on planet and quality. So your prices are a lil fibed. If you harvest your self the value of the meat is still the same so you have to calculate it at the proper value not that you harvested for free.

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This isn't a measure of value/time, it's a measure of cost vs. profit for me. Obviously this will be different for others, but even paying out the ass for avian/herbi, the cost per round is still under 1000cr. And taking what I said further out than just buffs, you could say people are ripping others off with the price they are charging for Avian. But then, no one would debate the price of avian... why? B/c it's supply vs. demand, just like buffing is.

If you categorize Doctors charging what they can get for buffing as ripping people off, then you have to include every crafting person in the game that charges what they can get for their products. But you wouldn't do that, would you? B/c they are just making their profit... how is a Doctor buffing any different?

EDIT: Taking my own advice... nvm j00.

Message Edited by Legende on 12-23-2004 05:41 PM

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STLpMpNu wrote:

rember what goes around comes around people rember the crook

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Legende wrote:
If we really wanna take this subject in this direction, then let's take a look at some numbers.

Assuming 2cpu for all resources, because I collect my own and build my own packs, the cost for me to create one set of 6 packs [1 for each stat, of course] is a mere 2856cr. With 32 charges on these packs, the total cost per round of buffs is a whopping 89cr. The packs I have now are 912/3:15, a buff strength of +2508 in front of the good'ol Cnet starport. On Shadowfire I can easily charge 15k per round and that's a "good" price. That is a 17441% profit margin, and considering that machine harvested resources cost less than 1cpu really, the profit margin is actually even higher.

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Thats fine if you collect all your own resources.
However, 2CPU for avian, and herb is kinda low, im a large large large believer in time is money.. You pay people for their time.. however ill get into this next, cos you collect your own meats. (from what i understand)

However if your a crafting Doc, things change.. you pay people to buy avian/herb for you.
I set out a base rate of 5CPU for all my mined resources. This covers, travel time, maint on miners/factories and power..

Lets say, in this example i buy my Avian for 100CPU - and 25CPU for Herb. Each pack would cost me 3970, 23820 for a full set... and 124 per stat 804 per Set. I like to work on a 80-100% profit margin,because the market as it stands, allows for it. so, lets pick 100% profit.. that then makes each stat 248cr and for a full set 1488. Yet these Packs, will go to some cnet Doc who will charge 10k for a set. thats over 500% profit.. wow.

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BraindG wrote:

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Legende wrote:
If we really wanna take this subject in this direction, then let's take a look at some numbers.

Assuming 2cpu for all resources, because I collect my own and build my own packs, the cost for me to create one set of 6 packs [1 for each stat, of course] is a mere 2856cr. With 32 charges on these packs, the total cost per round of buffs is a whopping 89cr. The packs I have now are 912/3:15, a buff strength of +2508 in front of the good'ol Cnet starport. On Shadowfire I can easily charge 15k per round and that's a "good" price. That is a 17441% profit margin, and considering that machine harvested resources cost less than 1cpu really, the profit margin is actually even higher.

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Thats fine if you collect all your own resources.
However, 2CPU for avian, and herb is kinda low, im a large large large believer in time is money.. You pay people for their time.. however ill get into this next, cos you collect your own meats. (from what i understand)

However if your a crafting Doc, things change.. you pay people to buy avian/herb for you.
I set out a base rate of 5CPU for all my mined resources. This covers, travel time, maint on miners/factories and power..

Lets say, in this example i buy my Avian for 100CPU - and 25CPU for Herb. Each pack would cost me 3970, 23820 for a full set... and 124 per stat 804 per Set. I like to work on a 80-100% profit margin, because the market as it stands, allows for it. so, lets pick 100% profit.. that then makes each stat 248cr and for a full set 1488. Yet these Packs, will go to some cnet Doc who will charge 10k for a set. thats over 500% profit.. wow.

End prices of Buffs can be so much lower.. They really can.. However.. and this is the main issue regarding buff pack prices. People need Buffs to play, they can't do high end mobs without them.. They are a fundamental part of the game. without it, people would struggle (i use this word very loosly). So, because people need them, Docs can charge what they want.

In an ideal world. A full set of buffs would cost 1488cr from a crafting doc, and 3k if you were a cnet doc.

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That's actually exactly where I was gonna go next, value based eval of buff prices... I didn't elaborate on that before, and you are right, time is money. Even paying a remarkable 300CPU for Avian and 50CPU for Herbi, buff per round prices still fall below 2000 easily for a crafter, which could translate into ~4-5k for a buyer. But, as you stated, there is incredible demand for them, so the golden rule governs the prices to what they are today. I stand by the thought that a Doctor charging what people will pay is no different than a Weaponsmith charging what he can get for an elite weapon of your choosing.

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austin816 wrote:

I was at Coronet the other day buffing. I had about a 30 min line going...and someone sent me a /tell saying they wanted to cut in line and get a quick buff. I told him that I dont usually do that but I would for one million credits (i was joking...but he took it serious). He then bank tipped me one million credits and I let him cut and then I buffed him. Has anyone else had this happen? 1 million creds?

So since then I have been charging alittle more...and have found when buff demands are high people will pay up to 30k per buff. (I buffed 13 in a row @ 30k when I was the only Doctor at Coronet) So my question is "How do you feel about price changing on the fly?" Example: I was charging 30k as the only Doc there....then 2 more Docs show up....so I lower my prices to 8k on the fly. The people in my line got pissed...as they saw what I did. I feel as if I can charge whatever I want to whoever I want. Is this wrong?

I'm not in this profession to help people...I'm in it to make money. I'm a roleplayer in-game...my character is a A-HOLE. I'm not all lovey-dovey, in fact I like my character to stir up arugument. He's kind of like that "Seinfeld soup nazi".....if I dont like you then "NO BUFF FOR YOU" even if you have waited 30 min in line, I will kick you out of it. I take no grief from anyone and I dish alot of grief out. I'm not this way in real life...but I like to roleplay. People seem to take it very personal...Im just roleplaying though. I play a different charater ingame than I do in real life. I guess thats why I play the game...to roleplay a A-HOLE Mon Cal. Is this wrong?

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Unless there is a new credit dupe around I highly doubt someone tipped you 1 mil for a buff, and about your "roleplaying" anyone could be a griefer and just say its because they are roleplaying. charectors like your griefer is probably the reason so many people are quitting

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ShinjoKazuki wrote:

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austin816 wrote:

I was at Coronet the other day buffing. I had about a 30 min line going...and someone sent me a /tell saying they wanted to cut in line and get a quick buff. I told him that I dont usually do that but I would for one million credits (i was joking...but he took it serious). He then bank tipped me one million credits and I let him cut and then I buffed him. Has anyone else had this happen? 1 million creds?

So since then I have been charging alittle more...and have found when buff demands are high people will pay up to 30k per buff. (I buffed 13 in a row @ 30k when I was the only Doctor at Coronet) So my question is "How do you feel about price changing on the fly?" Example: I was charging 30k as the only Doc there....then 2 more Docs show up....so I lower my prices to 8k on the fly. The people in my line got pissed...as they saw what I did. I feel as if I can charge whatever I want to whoever I want. Is this wrong?

I'm not in this profession to help people...I'm in it to make money. I'm a roleplayer in-game...my character is a A-HOLE. I'm not all lovey-dovey, in fact I like my character to stir up arugument. He's kind of like that "Seinfeld soup nazi".....if I dont like you then "NO BUFF FOR YOU" even if you have waited 30 min in line, I will kick you out of it. I take no grief from anyone and I dish alot of grief out. I'm not this way in real life...but I like to roleplay. People seem to take it very personal...Im just roleplaying though. I play a different charater ingame than I do in real life. I guess thats why I play the game...to roleplay a A-HOLE Mon Cal. Is this wrong?

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Unless there is a new credit dupe around I highly doubt someone tipped you 1 mil for a buff, and about your "roleplaying" anyone could be a griefer and just say its because they are roleplaying. charectors like your griefer is probably the reason so many people are quitting

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He doesnt grief, he's just a b*tch in game lol

but yeah i find 1mill hard to believe

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THAAC wrote:

A lot of Docs don't charge 15k for a buff because of supply and demand, they charge it because they can.

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