Doctor Archive
Thread: How much will people pay for a BUFF?
nothiuaih
Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:28 am
#27
you hit the nail on the head there... these are the docs that will justify charging 15-20k for a 2300-2400 buff because of supply and demand, but get very hurt when it comes to the capitalist principle of competition in the marketplace... hmm, let me see.. if i go in and sell and equal or greater set of buffs for 12k or less, i guess thats my prerogative in a Free Market... i mean come on, thats the beauty of SWG, so many things in it are like society.... you have your money grubbers, your generous ones, your whiners, your bums (some idiot sent me tell out of nowhere yesterday asking for 20k, i told him hell no get a job) your hard workers, etc etc...
THAAC wrote:
To go back to a point raised earlier, there are some genuinely greedy Doctors out there. Prices are set by what people pay for them. As soon as 1 person pays 15k for a buff, then 15k becomes the norm.
Greedy doctors push this by testing the water, and hiking up the prices when they find themselves alone in Coro.
Supply and demand, of course. Making a profit, absolutely.
However, the greediness I'm talking about is when a Doc like myself comes into Coro, and sets up my stall, and starts charging 9k for a buff (and I still make a very good profit on that), and I am berated out of Coro with numerous rude /tells from the other Docs telling me to start charging more because "I" am apparently ruining the economy by charging so little. Ruining their economy more like!
I am certainly no noob, and I help new players whenever I can. I'm one of the most senior members on my server (been there since a few days after it started) I've seen Coro when buffs were 5k, and I'm there now that 15-20k is the norm. I've seen people propelledup the food chain through cross-server credit and lot transfers. And I see a lot of new player struggling to get a foothold in the game. Anyone who claims that Docs (BEs, Chefs, AFK macro (3rd party program using) looters, etc) aren't ripping people off, are probably one of the offenders trying to justify their rip-off prices under the "supply and demand" statement.
A lot of Docs don't charge 15k for a buff because of supply and demand, they charge it because they can.
nothiuaih
Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:57 pm
#28
austin816 wrote:
I was at Coronet the other day buffing. I had about a 30 min line going...and someone sent me a /tell saying they wanted to cut in line and get a quick buff. I told him that I dont usually do that but I would for one million credits (i was joking...but he took it serious). He then bank tipped me one million credits and I let him cut and then I buffed him. Has anyone elsehad this happen? 1 million creds?
So since then I have been charging alittle more...and have found when buff demands are high people will pay up to 30k per buff. (I buffed13 in a row @ 30k when I was the only Doctor at Coronet) So my question is "How do you feel about price changing on the fly?" Example: I was charging 30k as the only Doc there....then 2 more Docs show up....so I lower my prices to 8k on the fly. The people in my line got pissed...as they saw what I did. I feel as if I can charge whatever I want to whoever I want. Is this wrong?
I'm not in this profession to help people...I'm in it to make money. I'm a roleplayer in-game...my character is a A-HOLE. I'm not all lovey-dovey, in fact I like my character to stir up arugument. He's kind of like that "Seinfeld soup nazi".....if I dont like you then "NO BUFF FOR YOU" even if you have waited 30 min in line, I will kick you out of it. I take no grief from anyone and I dish alot of grief out. I'm not this way in real life...but I like to roleplay. People seem to take it very personal...Im just roleplaying though. I play a different charater ingame than I do in real life. I guess thats why I play the game...to roleplay a A-HOLE Mon Cal. Is this wrong?
Legende
Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:23 pm
#29
nothiuaih wrote:you hit the nail on the head there... these are the docs that will justify charging 15-20k for a 2300-2400 buff because of supply and demand, but get very hurt when it comes to the capitalist principle of competition in the marketplace... hmm, let me see.. if i go in and sell and equal or greater set of buffs for 12k or less, i guess thats my prerogative in a Free Market... i mean come on, thats the beauty of SWG, so many things in it are like society.... you have your money grubbers, your generous ones, your whiners, your bums (some idiot sent me tell out of nowhere yesterday asking for 20k, i told him hell no get a job) your hard workers, etc etc...
THAAC wrote:To go back to a point raised earlier, there are some genuinely greedy Doctors out there. Prices are set by what people pay for them. As soon as 1 person pays 15k for a buff, then 15k becomes the norm.Greedy doctors push this by testing the water, and hiking up the prices when they find themselves alone in Coro.Supply and demand, of course. Making a profit, absolutely.However, the greediness I'm talking about is when a Doc like myself comes into Coro, and sets up my stall, and starts charging 9k for a buff (and I still make a very good profit on that), and I am berated out of Coro with numerous rude /tells from the other Docs telling me to start charging more because "I" am apparently ruining the economy by charging so little. Ruining their economy more like!I am certainly no noob, and I help new players whenever I can. I'm one of the most senior members on my server (been there since a few days after it started) I've seen Coro when buffs were 5k, and I'm there now that 15-20k is the norm. I've seen people propelled up the food chain through cross-server credit and lot transfers. And I see a lot of new player struggling to get a foothold in the game. Anyone who claims that Docs (BEs, Chefs, AFK macro (3rd party program using) looters, etc) aren't ripping people off, are probably one of the offenders trying to justify their rip-off prices under the "supply and demand" statement.A lot of Docs don't charge 15k for a buff because of supply and demand, they charge it because they can.
Outstanding post... and I would agree with the highlighted part, that I could categorize as greed. It's one thing to push the prices to the limit for profit purposes, which I don't consider greed... but to try to flood someone away when they are giving you competition b/c you can't stand to charge competitively... that is definitly a sign of greed and it saddens me that we have so many people that call themselves Doctors that would do this.
STLpMpNu
Sat Dec 25, 2004 4:37 am
#30
Since its supply and demand I suggest these crafting doctors who supply buffs to what i call crooks to raise there pack prices to where it costs 50% of what they sell for in the ports. See how you like supply and demand then. The crafting docs are not raising there prices Just the starport docs are raising the end price. While everything else losses value.
So to all the crafting docs raise your prices on buffs since the docs buying your packs want to make such a hefty profit might as well share the wealth.
Airleas
Sat Dec 25, 2004 8:07 am
#32
I am a master doc on Gorath. I usually do not buff in starports but will when there is a demand for buffs (i.e. when someone sends me a tell asking if i am buffing). I have always charged 15k. Every once in awhile, I will get a rude tell complaining about the price from the "composite squad".... the dudes running around in composite armor 24x7. What is interesting is that those samecomplainers will spam-tell/email meabout their meat for sale at 200-400 cpu.
So my thought on buffs is this....If I have to buy meat at 200-400 cpu (it takes me too long sometimes to gather enough myself to be self-sufficient) from the "composite squad" to make my buffs, I have no problem charging them 15k. If they are really making that much money on their harvests, I do not see why it is outrageous to pay me 15k. If I was able/had the time to gather enough avian meat myself, then I would charge 10-12k per buff.
So how do I justify charging everyone else (those doing missions for grinding) that same price?
The re-vamped missions are not good for making money if you need to hunt in a large group for better xp. I spend a good deal of time grinding out xp and making minimal cash myself, and if I had to pay 15k per buff I would be broke. My personal solution was chosing a joint profession that could make me money. I originally was a pistoleer, among other things. To keep money in the bank, I became a doc. Now I am a doc/swordsman. This allows me money to sustain my houses, weapons, armor, harvestors, factoriesand...... buffs.
STLpMpNu
Sat Dec 25, 2004 5:29 pm
#33
Charging 200-400 cpu for meat is nolonger possible with the current credit nerf. The reason they were charging so much was because it was more profitable to run janta/mokk missions on dant. This is nolonger possible so the price in meat will drop because you have more people wanting to harvest for money. I understand your point. What i have issues with is these starport docs who think they can charge this overpriced fee for buffs. What goes around comes around and i hope these crafting docs who these starport docs need raise there prices and get a little cut on the action. Maybe then we will see them start crying about prices of packs, instead of defending there overpriced buffs they sell.
Airleas
Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:39 pm
#34
Well, I just got an offer about 20 minutes ago for Yavin4 avian meat in the Dantooine Mining Outpost for 350 cpu, so obviously this is still possible - at leaston Gorath. To my knowledge, most of the people who hunt for meat do not do missions. Usually they are rangers who scout out their targets, so the nerf does not affect them directly.
STLpMpNu
Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:17 am
#35
Hunting is going to be one of the highest paid proffesions now following suits of all the crafters then doc then meat gathers for the docs/armorsmiths. If anyones still paying them prices then they are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Lightburn
Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:15 am
#37
Simple, people are willing to pay the price. I would charge 30k all day long as long as people are willing to pay the price.
Why should we be any nicer inside this game whener someone who is gathering resources for us goes to the highest bidder?
Its all a cycle he pays for buffs to get our meat to sell to us to make buffs again.
Everyone profits, and you forget this, People are always willing to PAY, its a game and they play to their advanatage.
STLpMpNu
Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:51 pm
#38
Lightburn wrote:
Simple, people are willing to pay the price. I would charge 30k all day long as long as people are willing to pay the price.
Why should we be any nicer inside this game whener someone who is gathering resources for us goes to the highest bidder?
Its all a cycle he pays for buffs to get our meat to sell to us to make buffs again.
Everyone profits, and you forget this, People are always willing to PAY, its a game and they play to their advanatage.
And whats to stop the crafting docs from charging you more for buffs. And cornering the market by haveing everyone charge the same prices. What goes around comes around.
STLpMpNu
Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:21 am
#39
Reinoko wrote:
I buff 2500 for 3 hours for 11K-12K. The buffs cost me 4K each, throw in 1K for the bivoli per buff, and i still make 6K-7K per buff. If i buff 50 people a day, that's 300K per day profit. Anything more than that and it gets a little obscene, no flames intended. If i know 10 people whose worth is over 50 million and 8 of them happen to be docs, that tells me that buffs are overpriced in general. And that's not good.
careful the port docs don't like it when you actually spit out numbers.
I personally don't use them i have my own doc alt i use. But not everyone is as blessed as the few of us who have our own doc alts.