Doctor Archive
Thread: Please read this, we need to have a doc family chat....
SumDuud
Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:47 pm
#14
I guess all I can say is supply and demand. I understand what you are saying about when the shift just occurred, but why not charge higher prices. Why would you buy a ford escort when you can get a bmw 6 series? If the meat is high quality and you are too lazy to go get it yourself, then you will either pay what I am selling it for or hire someone to go get it for you. Thats just how the market works. Now if the prices are too high then try bargaining down, or contracting someone to hunt it for you. Spam that you'll pay your price per unit of the meat if they drop it off at your vendor in coronet and see what happens. There are a ton of options, but to answer your original post... supply and demand!
Gooney
Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:49 am
#16
Theres a few types of docs out there:
-Those that have scout/hunt/craft own enhances.
-Those that craft own enhances/buy resources.
-Those that buy enhances.
Each one can easily earn profit from buffing regardless of how they come by thier enhances.
Ive done all 3 and never actually "lost" credits on any of them.
If the meat is too expensive for you ...dont buy it. There are several spawns of any given meat type at any one time. If your happy with 700-800 strength buff packs theres nothing wrong with that. They will still weild a very mighty buff relativly speaking. You might run into problems selling buffs from these types of packs on Dath or Dant (I doubt it but some wiseachre will complain)but they will be welcome on any of the starter planets if you price accordingly (maybe 4-6k). Generally you dont want to charge more for your buffs than can be made back in more than 1-2 missions by the buyer, ifthats enough for you to make a profit your golden.
Market is player driven. No usegetting upset over the pricesyou see there. There are almostcertainly someone willing to sell it to you at a lower price if you find them.
-Gooney
Maraffi
Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:18 am
#17
Time and scarcity work against low prices. Hunters might take weeks of scouting around before they find a good shift, even if word then spreads quickly, you are still paying for that time investment.And scarcity makes the really good stuff the "uber loot" of the ranger/scout game, it's their big payday, so they certainly aren't going to sell cheap.
I would question just how high of quality you really need. The difference in price between pretty good quality (700s 10cpu) and great quality (900s 100cpu) is where you see the most dramatic increase in price per unit. Do you raelly need the great quality stuff? If so, then be prepared to pay.
Maraffi
master doc/master tka/ nov. scout
Gooney
Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:10 am
#18
Personally I dont buy meat that isnt atleast over 900 in either PE or OQ and the stat that isnt 900+ better be over 700+. Ive payed as high as 60cpu (For Avian and avian only)but thats about my personal limit. I had planned ahead a bit before becoming a doc.
For instance I had my harvs working on lok for the wheat, and tatooine for the fiberplast which I used in the crafting grind.
Like now that Im switching temporarily back to a combat class I'll start hunting hides for my next craft...which will be Armorsmith. This is what I love about this game the ability to change professions.
Anyhow. Pricing will depend on your server. Good Herb usually in the ballpark of 20cpu, avian can get pretty pricey 50-60cpu is the highest Ive seen it. Thats with OQ and PE higher than 800, prefrebly one over 900+.
-Gooney
Ikrin
Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:32 am
#19
I'm glad my Bounty Hunter main was levelling Scout when my server had an insane avian drop (900+ all three stats). When I made Nirki, he had probably 20k worth saved up. Nowadays when I need creature stuff, I dust off Ikrin and go hunting. At least I know he's good for that 
bioshock
Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:48 am
#20
Marrow1 wrote:Here is why the meat (herb or avian) is so expensive.1. There are few Scouts these days. There just aren't as many hunters. How many rangers do you know? Not many.2. Any good fighter can make lots of cash doing Janta missions. So time spending hunting is time they could have been doing Janta that not only pay well but also drop loot.3. Hunting avain is the most boring thing in this game. No one wants to do something that is that boring without getting payed a ton for it.4. For the few people that are willing to hunt there are more docs out there willing to pay for the meat. So if your a doc and you want meat you have to be willing to pay more than other docs.5. The amount of meat you get is small. It take a lot of herb to make stims/buff and most herb creatures dont drop large quantities. Although we need less avian the birds that drop it often only drop 8 units or so per kill. As a result, to get a large stack of meat you have to spend a lot of time hunting.6. Buffs are the most valued resouce in the game. No one does anything dangerous without a doc buff. As a result you can charge a lot for them. Even at 200 cpu for avian the buff pack will cost less than 8k to make. With 32 charges selling at 1.5k per charge thats 40k profit for the doc.7. IMO the avian hunter spends as much time hunting the meat as the doc does crafting and buffing. So why shouldn't they get paid well for it?8. You pay more for better meat not because it is harder to hunt but becuase you are telling the hunter you really want them to stop doing anything else and hunt this meat now before it goes away.With all this said I don't buy meat very often. I hunt it all my self. When I run out I simply dont make buff packs and go do something else.
5. False. Pikets drop anywhere from 30 to 100 herb per. Perleks drop 20-40 avian. Whisper birds drop 15-25. There are a LOT of creatures that drop a lot of meat per kill. I can't remember the last time I had to kill something small to get meat. Maybe for a noob who can only handle the small stuff, but for anyone with the ability to kill big stuff, meat is pretty easy to get in large quantities.
bioshock
Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:57 am
#21
Tiphus wrote:
Thanks, good to hear from you. I used to contract hunt as well, I still do in ways. What do you think about the idea that hunters get a lot more out of hunting than some may realize. For example, most are getting three types of experience during the hunt (scouting, combat, and combat profession). In addition, they are paid by mission terminals. How do you think these things stand with the argument that hunters may be overpaid?
Well..I have no skill points with master swordsman, master doctor and 1/0/0/0 scout - so scout xp means nothing to me, I'm maxed anyway. Same with combat and profession xp.
And I don't use mission terminals most of the time...it just takes too long to keep traveling back to the terminal. If I know what sort of creature I'm looking for, I can usually find it in sufficient numbers to not have to bother with missions.
I have no doubt that hunters are quite often overpaid. I wouldn't really know myself because as I said, I never set the price, I let the buyer make the offer.
bioshock
Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:59 am
#23
Gotta love that "you are not logged in, but what the hey we'll post it anyway and not let you delete it" thing...
Can't delete a double post, but I can make it empty!
Can't delete a double post, but I can make it empty!
Message Edited by bioshock on 04-29-2004 09:05 AM
MorvenDee
Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:08 am
#24
I'm a Master Doctor with a Master combat profession. This leaves me enough skill points to get a novice profession +1 skill box, so I switch them between novice scout and novice artisan as needed, meaning I never have to buy resources because I can harvest anything. When a good avian/herb meat is up, one hour of missioning before/after work per dayresults in tens of thousands of units per week.
Cailid010
Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:11 am
#25
bioshock wrote:
5. False. Pikets drop anywhere from 30 to 100 herb per. Perleks drop 20-40 avian. Whisper birds drop 15-25. There are a LOT of creatures that drop a lot of meat per kill. I can't remember the last time I had to kill something small to get meat. Maybe for a noob who can only handle the small stuff, but for anyone with the ability to kill big stuff, meat is pretty easy to get in large quantities.
Herb meat is easy to get in large quantities only on certain planets and if you don't care about the quality. If the good spawn is on the wrong planets then it is hard to get in large quantities. Avian is even harder to get in large quantities. Flurry just got decent avian on Lok. Our last 3 decent spawns were on tatooine, corellia, talus, all which give verysmall amounts.
daltonj001
Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:15 am
#26
bioshock wrote:
5. False. Pikets drop anywhere from 30 to 100 herb per. Perleks drop 20-40 avian. Whisper birds drop 15-25. There are a LOT of creatures that drop a lot of meat per kill. I can't remember the last time I had to kill something small to get meat. Maybe for a noob who can only handle the small stuff, but for anyone with the ability to kill big stuff, meat is pretty easy to get in large quantities.
See, I count 20-40 as small and 15-25 as very small. I can kill Slinking Voritor hunters and get 125 units while grouped. Pikets and thunes aren't that bad for herb meat.... IF good Dant herb meat shifts in.
Malklocs on Dathomir are also nice drops, but Dath is such a dangerous place to hunt that if you're not an elite combat prof, then you really have to be in a group.