Doctor Archive

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Marrow1 wrote:

My number 5 above is very true. Try hunting avian on Talus or Tat. then let me know how big the birds are.

Sure, herb on Dant is not to hard to get but how often is it the good resouces?

Also meat is always going to be expensive simply because it can not be farmed. How often do you see a stack of 100k units of avian? Never. How often do you see stacks of farmed resources. Always.

Like anything in this game, pay what you think the value of that item is to you.

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I wouldn't say never

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bioshock wrote:

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Marrow1 wrote:

Here is why the meat (herb or avian) is so expensive.

1. There are few Scouts these days. There just aren't as many hunters. How many rangers do you know? Not many.

2. Any good fighter can make lots of cash doing Janta missions. So time spending hunting is time they could have been doing Janta that not only pay well but also drop loot.

3. Hunting avain is the most boring thing in this game. No one wants to do something that is that boring without getting payed a ton for it.

4. For the few people that are willing to hunt there are more docs out there willing to pay for the meat. So if your a doc and you want meat you have to be willing to pay more than other docs.

5. The amount of meat you get is small. It take a lot of herb to make stims/buff and most herb creatures dont drop large quantities. Although we need less avian the birds that drop it often only drop 8 units or so per kill. As a result, to get a large stack of meat you have to spend a lot of time hunting.

6. Buffs are the most valued resouce in the game. No one does anything dangerous without a doc buff. As a result you can charge a lot for them. Even at 200 cpu for avian the buff pack will cost less than 8k to make. With 32 charges selling at 1.5k per charge thats 40k profit for the doc.

7. IMO the avian hunter spends as much time hunting the meat as the doc does crafting and buffing. So why shouldn't they get paid well for it?

8. You pay more for better meat not because it is harder to hunt but becuase you are telling the hunter you really want them to stop doing anything else and hunt this meat now before it goes away.

With all this said I don't buy meat very often. I hunt it all my self. When I run out I simply dont make buff packs and go do something else.

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5. False. Pikets drop anywhere from 30 to 100 herb per. Perleks drop 20-40 avian. Whisper birds drop 15-25. There are a LOT of creatures that drop a lot of meat per kill. I can't remember the last time I had to kill something small to get meat. Maybe for a noob who can only handle the small stuff, but for anyone with the ability to kill big stuff, meat is pretty easy to get in large quantities.

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You sound like a noob yourself...

I play this game ENTIRELY too much.

I'm master tka with all the food, 80% ubese blah blah.

Now, sure you can hunt it yourself, but when you run a multi-million dollar business, its VERY time consuming. I can't speak for others but I sell A LOT of buffs per week.

So...

Our last uber avian spawn was on Lok (991/739). I wanted as much as possible. I have buffs that last for 3.5 hours. I'm master TKA. I run perlecks out of a city where I can find them within 1000m, and I use +31 Vegahash.

Now...

Lets use your high mark and you get 40u per bird, and lets say 30 birds per lair (isn't gonna happen, but I'll fancy you)...

You'll get 1200u per lair (never) so it would take about 100 missions to get 120k of avian.

Lets say it takes you 5min per lair (won't happen) that means you'll spend at least 8 hours STRAIGHT just killing lairs.

Then you consider travel time, finding the missions, rebuffing, blah blah; it turns into a ton of time.

Especially when you consider that you'd probably actually get more around 700u per lair, which means you'll be running 150 missions Also, when it spawns on somewhere like Tatooine, you'll be lucky to get 100u per lair...

I have 11 factories, and a long list of customers. A lot of my customers depend on me to supply them with buff sets DAILY.

Someone (me) has to craft the buffs, load the factories, unload them, put the items on the vendor.

This is not an easy and or quick task.

So it comes down to this:

Can I hunt my own avian? Yes. I can do it fast too.

But does hunting my own avian make good business sense to me? No.

I got lucky and when this avian shifted I was caught up on all my orders, so being the crazy power gamer I am, I spent about 7 hours straight about three days in a row hunting it.

I ended up with alot of it. More than most people have I assume, but you know what?

I paid 185cpu for 10k of it yesterday.

Will I make a profit on it? YES.

It comes down to whether or not you want to be successful, and how big of a business you run.

If you only buff yourself, then fine, go hunt 5k of it and be set for awhile.

That isn't an option for me. I use a TON of avian and herbivore.

*sigh*

Its only gonna get worse too, I just mastered chef with my alt

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DarthXanthic wrote:

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bioshock wrote:

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Marrow1 wrote:

Here is why the meat (herb or avian) is so expensive.

1. There are few Scouts these days. There just aren't as many hunters. How many rangers do you know? Not many.

2. Any good fighter can make lots of cash doing Janta missions. So time spending hunting is time they could have been doing Janta that not only pay well but also drop loot.

3. Hunting avain is the most boring thing in this game. No one wants to do something that is that boring without getting payed a ton for it.

4. For the few people that are willing to hunt there are more docs out there willing to pay for the meat. So if your a doc and you want meat you have to be willing to pay more than other docs.

5. The amount of meat you get is small. It take a lot of herb to make stims/buff and most herb creatures dont drop large quantities. Although we need less avian the birds that drop it often only drop 8 units or so per kill. As a result, to get a large stack of meat you have to spend a lot of time hunting.

6. Buffs are the most valued resouce in the game. No one does anything dangerous without a doc buff. As a result you can charge a lot for them. Even at 200 cpu for avian the buff pack will cost less than 8k to make. With 32 charges selling at 1.5k per charge thats 40k profit for the doc.

7. IMO the avian hunter spends as much time hunting the meat as the doc does crafting and buffing. So why shouldn't they get paid well for it?

8. You pay more for better meat not because it is harder to hunt but becuase you are telling the hunter you really want them to stop doing anything else and hunt this meat now before it goes away.

With all this said I don't buy meat very often. I hunt it all my self. When I run out I simply dont make buff packs and go do something else.

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5. False. Pikets drop anywhere from 30 to 100 herb per. Perleks drop 20-40 avian. Whisper birds drop 15-25. There are a LOT of creatures that drop a lot of meat per kill. I can't remember the last time I had to kill something small to get meat. Maybe for a noob who can only handle the small stuff, but for anyone with the ability to kill big stuff, meat is pretty easy to get in large quantities.

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You sound like a noob yourself...

I play this game ENTIRELY too much.

I'm master tka with all the food, 80% ubese blah blah.

Now, sure you can hunt it yourself, but when you run a multi-million dollar business, its VERY time consuming. I can't speak for others but I sell A LOT of buffs per week.

So...

Our last uber avian spawn was on Lok (991/739). I wanted as much as possible. I have buffs that last for 3.5 hours. I'm master TKA. I run perlecks out of a city where I can find them within 1000m, and I use +31 Vegahash.

Now...

Lets use your high mark and you get 40u per bird, and lets say 30 birds per lair (isn't gonna happen, but I'll fancy you)...

You'll get 1200u per lair (never) so it would take about 100 missions to get 120k of avian.

Lets say it takes you 5min per lair (won't happen) that means you'll spend at least 8 hours STRAIGHT just killing lairs.

Then you consider travel time, finding the missions, rebuffing, blah blah; it turns into a ton of time.

Especially when you consider that you'd probably actually get more around 700u per lair, which means you'll be running 150 missions Also, when it spawns on somewhere like Tatooine, you'll be lucky to get 100u per lair...

I have 11 factories, and a long list of customers. A lot of my customers depend on me to supply them with buff sets DAILY.

Someone (me) has to craft the buffs, load the factories, unload them, put the items on the vendor.

This is not an easy and or quick task.

So it comes down to this:

Can I hunt my own avian? Yes. I can do it fast too.

But does hunting my own avian make good business sense to me? No.

I got lucky and when this avian shifted I was caught up on all my orders, so being the crazy power gamer I am, I spent about 7 hours straight about three days in a row hunting it.

I ended up with alot of it. More than most people have I assume, but you know what?

I paid 185cpu for 10k of it yesterday.

Will I make a profit on it? YES.

It comes down to whether or not you want to be successful, and how big of a business you run.

If you only buff yourself, then fine, go hunt 5k of it and be set for awhile.

That isn't an option for me. I use a TON of avian and herbivore.

*sigh*

Its only gonna get worse too, I just mastered chef with my alt

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Just not really paying attention are you?

Your whole post is an analysis of why doctors should not go out and get their own meat - and it was directed at me.

But...

I never suggested that anyone go out and get their own meat.

Oops.

Maybe if you had actually read my others posts you wouldn't have needed the diatribe.



See, here's the thing: I HATE CRAFTING MY OWN BUFFS.

I have 1 factory. I make the things I don't mind making (i.e., the things that don't take up too much of my time). I make stims and state packs and disease and poison and woundpacks and ...well you know - the things DOCTORS actually use.

But buffs are just simply too much of a gigantic pain in the butt for me to bother crafting. I can't be bothered to waste my time screwing around with a bunch of stupid factories, when I could be out doing something else.

This is why -I- buy my buff packs from people who actually LIKE to make buff packs. People who actually LIKE to craft. I DON'T like to craft.

So...

Since I'm out hunting anyway and screwing around and beating up on Nym's Nuts or Dantooine Aborigines or 'Sisters or whatever, I also kill every creature I see that has something one of my favorite crafters will need.


Your whole analysis of "Xu per lair" is completely irrelevant to me, because I KILL EVERY THING I SEE. Big, small and in-between, if it catches my attention - I kill it. I get LOTS of imaginary meat, imaginary bone and imaginary hide (whatever is good that I know a crafter would like to have) and I ENJOY doing that.

And then, I sell whatever imaginary resource I have to whoever needs it for whatever imaginary money THEY want to pay. Hell if they only asked I would just give them the imaginary meat and they could keep their imaginary money.

"I have 11 factories and I make millions. I run a successful business." - No, you don't. You IMAGINE that you do, but you do NOT. It's all nothing but rows and columns in a table in a database. Your "successful business" is just one faulty backup tape from oblivion.

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bioshock wrote:
"I have 11 factories and I make millions. I run a successful business." - No, you don't. You IMAGINE that you do, but you do NOT. It's all nothing but rows and columns in a table in a database. Your "successful business" is just one faulty backup tape from oblivion.

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Yeah good points. I hunt for meat myself and I will pay for it too, I spent over 10 million in meat in the last month, and in all honesty I'd rather buy it than hunt myself because it's just boring, and I also go through a lot of it at a time (selling about everything a doc can make).

That's the problem too... it's boring, so to get people to do it you have to pay a lot of money, and if other docs want it too you have to pay more than them for it. If to make things worse there are good other spawns at the same time, you have to offer more than the other chefs/BEs/docs to get the hunters to get the meat for you, and not them.

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Tiphus wrote:

I'm really sorry for being a source of conflict. I really wanted to discuss the way we decide how much a given meat is worth. That is the heart of this post (or was). I understand that you can hunt your own. Great! Good! Whatever. That's just not what I was asking about. I specifically mentioned Doctors paying other hunters possible absurd cpu's as soon as a shift hits. How can we deal with this. This strategy works great of you're a super power because because you your bid kicks everyone's butt, and hunters will never forget your name. But is that okay? Or can we find a way to get these cpu's down? Thanks.

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Here's the thing: "we" don't decide anything. As I posted earlier, docs that sell enhance packs determine the prices of meat. Figure that there is a threshold price that will a) get the normal hunters to hunt your meat rather than whatever the chefs or BEs are asking for, (bounty hunters, rangers, so forth; also any commercial hunters) and b) encourage other combat-minded folk (and hologrinders) to hunt on whatever planet has your meat to bring in a little extra money.