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Thread: Please read this, we need to have a doc family chat....

Flynn_Nomad
Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:20 pm
#1

Boo...


I just don't agree.


You're right about the difficulty in harvesting not changing. (LOL, how funny would it be if creatures difficulty went hand and hand with the quality of its resources, BRING ON THE KRAYT WITH 9 OQ MEAT!)


But, people stockpile the stuff for out of shift sales.


If a guy has 900+ OQ/PE meat it should rightfully cost more than 200 OQ/PE meat right?


Now if the idiots are charging 60 cpu for 200 OQ then 120 for 900 than I see your point.


Their does need to be some sort of consensus amongst doctors about what if fair market though.





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Nematocyzed
Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:31 pm
#2

I never pay that much... now that I think about it, I never pay for meat. Im a novice scout, and I hunt alot with these hunters. you'd be supprised how much you can get from them for offering your services as a healer and buffer on their trips.


never pay that much....

seriously...

don't do it. there are other ways.

Tiphus
Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:56 pm
#3

Thanks for your response Flynn! Even the 'boo' is well received


What I think we agree on is that there should be some consensus. My point about all meat being equally easy to hunt and harvest is admittedly extreme but not totally invalid. Certainly quality and cost should always correlate. That goes without question. Even further, the difficulty of the creatures harvested should probably be taken into account. But does that actually happen happen? Do hunters even know at what cpu they break even?



I'm really more concerned about the early prices set onresources, and the highest prices as well. What happens when a few established docs never offer anything less than 100 cpu for anything, and they can afford to keep it up almost indefinitely? What do the rest of usdo?



Should we :


A.) Type '/sigh', buyprenerfedkrayted slitherhorns and learn some tunes?

B.) Pickup some more scout skills and spam to join a hunting party?


C.) Politley petition a local hunter to accept 50 cpu which is only half of 100 but still an entirely fair price?
D.) Give up the medical profession entirely and become sex slaves to the nearest hutt?




/shrug flynn



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Nematocyzed
Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:18 pm
#4

whatever you do, don't do option D, I had a friend do that and it wasn't pretty.

I mean this with respect:
gain some hunter friends, it should be relitivly easy, I meet all sorts of people in my travels as a doc.
no need to spam for a group, just find some of your clients who are hunting, offer your services as an exclusive healer on their trip in return for some meat.

did I mention never pay the outragous prices for meat?

daltonj001
Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:28 pm
#5

Until my holo told me to be a doctor and I feel in love with it and decided to keep it, I was a meat and hide and bone hunter. In generall I only charged 10-20 cpu for the meat I hunted... BUT I hunted large game. Stuff that dropped 90 -150 units per mob while grouped. Hunting Herbivore meat you're looking at a HUGE time differntial in the time it takes to gain stacks. Perfect example is I was hunting some of the skreegs this morning. On average I was getting 17-27 units of meat (while grouped). It doesn't take much to see that it takes 5 times as long to harvest on low level creatures as it does harvesting high level mobs (usually carnivore meat).


So we're not just competing with other Doctors. We're competing with chefs and BE's and anyone else using the hunters time and due to our drops of Avian and herb being low level mobs, we're going to have to pay a premium for it.






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DarthXanthic
Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:39 pm
#6

I'll pay whatever it takes to have the best.
Ledao
Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:45 pm
#7

Well, Zarx is certainly right -- herbivore and avian meats are a pain to gather in large quantities, and so Docs have to pay enough to convince the hunters to kill chokus for 20 meat a pop rather than rancors for 200...


But that primarily affects resource scarcity, and only indirectly affects price... Price is driven by one segment of the Doc population: those selling enhance packs. This is the only class of people for whom it makes economic sense to buy all the good avian and herbivore meat they can, whenever they can, for more or less whatever it happens to cost. They are also by far the largest consumers of both meats... There are, of course, instances where something's price exceeds its potential monetary value, but then one must consider market share... (and, of course, if avian meat is too expensive for anyone except the people that sell buffs, guess who benefits?)


At any rate, on my server at least the prices of meats (in-shift -- out of shift is an entirely different matter) have stabilized reasonably... I think we've found the point that makes it worthwhile for the hunters to sell things at the end of shifts, rather than hold it for more money later (this is more true of herbivore meat than avian, as with herbivore there is really only "usable" and "not usable" whereas there is a significant difference between one avian meat and another -- but it is alwayssomething of a roll of the dice to keep meats...).


Now, if you can't buy it on the boards, you can always try in-game...




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DarthXanthic
Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:52 pm
#8






Ledao wrote:

But that primarily affects resource scarcity, and only indirectly affects price... Price is driven by one segment of the Doc population: those selling enhance packs. This is the only class of people for whom it makes economic sense to buy all the good avian and herbivore meat they can, whenever they can, for more or less whatever it happens to cost. They are also by far the largest consumers of both meats... There are, of course, instances where something's price exceeds its potential monetary value, but then one must consider market share... (and, of course, if avian meat is too expensive for anyone except the people that sell buffs, guess who benefits?)





There you have it.


Sometimes I'll take a loss to make sure my competitiors don't have access to large quantities of meat, because then their packs won't be as powerful as mine.
bioshock
Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:23 pm
#9

I don't personally buy meat so my opinion might not be what you are looking for.

That being said, what I prefer to do is buy my buffs from others (I do make my own stims, medpacks, statepacks, etc). I have several crafters on my server who make decent buff packs for a fair price and I patronize them.

Now, ever since I was a noob I have had scout skills, and one thing I have always done (because I enjoy doing it), is to take orders from crafters for harvested resources. If an armorsmith needs a certain wooly hide, or a BE needs a certain insect meat, or a doctor knows of an avian he wants - they can tell me and I'll go out and spend some time and bring them back 10 or 20 k of it. I offer it to their vendor for whatever they told me they were offering. I don't set the price, I let them tell me what they will pay, and none have ever offered less than 10cpu, and one time I was actually offered 100cpu for a particularly good Dathomirian insect meat.

Okay, so I can't speak from the "buying meat" side of the equation, but I can speak with authority from the "harvesting meat" side.

Whacking whisper birds on Yavin is a whole LOT easier than chasing down reptilian fliers on Dathomir. It's faster and easier to kill 1,000 rock beetles than it is to kill 100 gaping spider hunters.

So I can't quite agree that there is no difference in the effort required.
Tiphus
Wed Apr 28, 2004 7:04 pm
#10

Thanks, good to hear from you. I used to contract hunt as well, I still do in ways. What do you think about the idea that hunters get a lot more out of hunting than some may realize. For example, most are getting three types of experience during the hunt (scouting, combat, and combat profession). In addition, they are paid by mission terminals. How do you think these things stand with the argument that hunters may be overpaid?



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-scuzzy-
Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:13 pm
#11

This is the economy at work - sellers will gravitate towards the highest bidder. This self regulates in the following ways:


The highest bidder is going to be the first to run out of capital

The highest bidder will have the lowest margins

The lowest bidder will have the largest margins, if he can get supplies

The lowest bidder will have more cash on hand


If I were a hunter, I would -always- sell to the highest bidder, the only ways around this are:


Offer the hunters something more valuable than credits (eg guildmates, stims,firepower, droids, weapons, free buffs, armor) to the hunter, that cost you less to produce.

Recruit new hunters.

Collect the resource yourself(!)

Provide better service than the high bidder (faster payment, more smiles, lap dances)






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Marrow1
Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:20 pm
#12

Here is why the meat (herb or avian) is so expensive.


1. There arefew Scouts these days. There just aren't as many hunters. How many rangers do you know? Not many.

2. Any good fighter can make lots of cash doing Janta missions. So time spending hunting is time they could have been doing Janta that not only pay well but also drop loot.

3. Hunting avain is the most boring thing in this game. No one wants to do something that is that boring without getting payed a ton for it.

4. For the few people that are willing to hunt there are more docs out there willing to pay for the meat. So if your a doc and you want meat you have to be willing to pay more than other docs.

5. The amount of meat you get is small. It take a lot of herb to make stims/buff and most herb creatures dont drop large quantities. Although we need less avian the birds that drop it often only drop 8 units or so per kill. As a result, to get a large stack of meat you have to spend a lot of time hunting.

6. Buffs are the most valued resouce in the game. No one does anything dangerous without a doc buff. As a result you can charge a lot for them. Even at 200 cpu for avian the buff pack will cost less than 8k to make. With 32 charges selling at 1.5k per charge thats 40k profit for the doc.

7. IMO the avian hunter spends as much time hunting the meat as the doc does crafting and buffing. So why shouldn't they get paid well for it?

8. You pay more for better meat not because it is harder to hunt but becuase you are telling the hunter you really want them to stop doing anything else and hunt this meat now before it goes away.

With all this said I don't buy meat very often. I hunt it all my self. When I run out I simply dont make buff packs and go do something else.







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Marrow1
Wed Apr 28, 2004 11:21 pm
#13


Here is why the meat (herb or avian) is so expensive.


1. There arefew Scouts these days. There just aren't as many hunters. How many rangers do you know? Not many.

2. Any good fighter can make lots of cash doing Janta missions. So time spending hunting is time they could have been doing Janta that not only pay well but also drop loot.

3. Hunting avain is the most boring thing in this game. No one wants to do something that is that boring without getting payed a ton for it.

4. For the few people that are willing to hunt there are more docs out there willing to pay for the meat. So if your a doc and you want meat you have to be willing to pay more than other docs.

5. The amount of meat you get is small. It take a lot of herb to make stims/buff and most herb creatures dont drop large quantities. Although we need less avian the birds that drop it often only drop 8 units or so per kill. As a result, to get a large stack of meat you have to spend a lot of time hunting.

6. Buffs are the most valued resouce in the game. No one does anything dangerous without a doc buff. As a result you can charge a lot for them. Even at 200 cpu for avian the buff pack will cost less than 8k to make. With 32 charges selling at 1.5k per charge thats 40k profit for the doc.

7. IMO the avian hunter spends as much time hunting the meat as the doc does crafting and buffing. So why shouldn't they get paid well for it?

8. You pay more for better meat not because it is harder to hunt but becuase you are telling the hunter you really want them to stop doing anything else and hunt this meat now before it goes away.

With all this said I don't buy meat very often. I hunt it all my self. When I run out I simply dont make buff packs and go do something else.







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