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Thread: IT 7-1: Droid & Droid Engineer Enhancements

Jerry_Garcia
Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:27 am
#92


I have been reading about the changes to DE for the upcoming publish 7, and it looks like a joke. The worst is that it appears that the "Droid Invasion" will be nothing but a weakly modified pro-bot. This really upsets me. I was expecting to be able to produce some really nice combat droids (see the droids on Episode 1 and 2 that have shields and great weapons and cause jedi to turn and RUN). Due to the prospect of having some powerful droids, I dropped what I was doing (working on my holo), and commited myself to making Master DE for the publish 7 patch. In the last week, I have bought a BER-14 Fusion, 5 BER-10 mineral harvesters, and 2 BER-12 Heavies (good price on the heavies). I have put everything into being able to get the resource neccessary to make DE to build some awsome droids for me and my guild.


Then I started reading the publish 7 "In Testing" forums yesterday and just about got sick to my stomach. To the DEV's (I hope you are reading this), what have you been smoking to make you think that people will respond favorably to a "Droid Invasion" that consits of slightly modified probots. That is weak. Already, the only thing you see droids used for is to build mobile crafting stations and extra storage. Other than that, droids make fantastic decorations. You have made one of the most "star warsy" elements of the game, a totaljoke. It makes me wonder how many of the DEV's were around when Episode 4 came out in 1977! Probably not many. This is a fantastic universe, and up till this point, I was extremely satisfied with SWG. I was even ready to forgive the weaknesses of the droids because you were working on a patch called "Droid Invasion".


The "Droid Invasion" in its current form is a joke. If I were a DEV, I would hide my head in the sand and pray that I could get a job on the nextAdam SandlerMovie, because the similarities of the "Droid Invasion" is every bit as accurate to the true Star Wars Universe, as Spaceballs is.




Jerry Garcia
Gribnitz
Sun Mar 07, 2004 9:34 pm
#93

Dev's, if you are 'experimenting' with taking our armor to make us 'even' with CH pets, you need to realize a few things first.



First the BE's have almost limitless variety's they can make. From a Durni to a Bantha. We have how many models we can make for combat after this patch ?7 ? (LE's, DZ70, Probot and R series?).


Second, they can make pets that can double as mounts yet still be a decent combat animal.


Third, we have to fill every single slot in the droid to make it a decent combat droid. After we fill it, there is no room for utility modules.


Fourth, a combat droid won't do neat tricks to entertain you and they have no personality like the animals do. Animals have a lot of character. The droids just kind of stand there.


Fifth, they can add in two special attacks that manage to still fit into a lvl 10 creature. Strong Poison and Disease or Dizzy, Knockdown? We have nothing like that.


Sixth and possibly the biggest, pets can be buffed by doctors and CH's and fed chef foods. Droids can't.



Droids should be better at combat, it is Star Wars afterall. We don't have much else going for us and this stealth nerf is something that is going to inflamewhat few DE's that are left.



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TurboSith
Mon Mar 08, 2004 4:09 am
#94



Gribnitz wrote:

Dev's, if you are 'experimenting' with taking our armor to make us 'even' with CH pets, you need to realize a few things first.

First the BE's have almost limitless variety's they can make. From a Durni to a Bantha. We have how many models we can make for combat after this patch ? 7 ? (LE's, DZ70, Probot and R series?).

Second, they can make pets that can double as mounts yet still be a decent combat animal.

Third, we have to fill every single slot in the droid to make it a decent combat droid. After we fill it, there is no room for utility modules.

Fourth, a combat droid won't do neat tricks to entertain you and they have no personality like the animals do. Animals have a lot of character. The droids just kind of stand there.

Fifth, they can add in two special attacks that manage to still fit into a lvl 10 creature. Strong Poison and Disease or Dizzy, Knockdown? We have nothing like that.

Sixth and possibly the biggest, pets can be buffed by doctors and CH's and fed chef foods. Droids can't.

Droids should be better at combat, it is Star Wars afterall. We don't have much else going for us and this stealth nerf is something that is going to inflame what few DE's that are left.





omg i completely agree with everything there.....

maybe we should attach some dynamite to them adn throw em at each other

or.. let us use PSG's as a PSG module in them...



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Tulka
Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:30 am
#95



The other point you need to look at is alot of people have med skills and can assist you in healing your pet I myself can heal for about 700 with my med skill every I think 4 sec and then heal right away another 800 with a pet stim. So does a droid with medium armor really have the advantage here. An animal is tank everyone can heal over a droid who can only be healed by droid repair kits I say keep the armor it isnt making a droid that much overpowered by a long shot in my opinion .



Tulka
Jenden
Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:50 am
#96

At the very least we need to know what is going on with the armor. If we don't know whats supposed to be changing with it and how the new system is supposed to work then we can't really test it and accurately report bugs.

On aside note with the armor, I think most DE's would rather have the armor back with slightly lower HAMS. If nothing else it differentiates them from creatures.



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JavelinCatcher
Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:59 am
#97

In a attempt to be more constructive, below are my top 5 questions I would like answered as a DE on TestCenter testing the publish:


1) Droid Armor: can we get a official statement that we're loosing the armor ratings or if it's just a bug? Currently there is no reason to use anything higher than a single level 3 armor module (out of 6 levels of armor modules) because the single level 3 reaches the resist cap. You don't even have to use multiple armor modules which the advanced droids are capable of holding. Also, Armor modules as of publish 6 had a "integrity rating" ; this has been removed and replaced with a "Armor rating." The values are significantly different (1024 -> 5) and I'm wondering if this is part of a future affect on Armor module experimentation (which currently doesn't do anything since a level 3 reaches the cap by default).


2) Fitting "service" modules into "combat" slots; again intentional?


3) HAM variations on droids: As it stands now, most droids have gotten a major HAM increase from their previous base level with experimentation able to increase it....except the probot. Why?


4) Currently a combat module requires 240s of factory time to make. Talking with other DE's on TestCenter we feel this is rather excessive. Would it be possible to have this timer reduced because of the number that will be needed per combat droid?


5) The standard Binary Load Lifter still has no possible function (much like the standard protocol droid prior to publish 6); why? Allong the same lines, why does the Advanced BLL only have 1 "service" module socket (not a cluster socket) if it's so hard to build?




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Ki-Odo
Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:58 am
#98








Dev's, if you are 'experimenting' with taking our armor to make us 'even' with CH pets, you need to realize a few things first.



First the BE's have almost limitless variety's they can make. From a Durni to a Bantha. We have how many models we can make for combat after this patch ? 7 ? (LE's, DZ70, Probot and R series?).


Second, they can make pets that can double as mounts yet still be a decent combat animal.


Third, we have to fill every single slot in the droid to make it a decent combat droid. After we fill it, there is no room for utility modules.


Fourth, a combat droid won't do neat tricks to entertain you and they have no personality like the animals do. Animals have a lot of character. The droids just kind of stand there.


Fifth, they can add in two special attacks that manage to still fit into a lvl 10 creature. Strong Poison and Disease or Dizzy, Knockdown? We have nothing like that.


Sixth and possibly the biggest, pets can be buffed by doctors and CH's and fed chef foods. Droids can't.



Droids should be better at combat, it is Star Wars afterall. We don't have much else going for us and this stealth nerf is something that is going to inflame what few DE's that are left.






1) Droid Armor: can we get a official statement that we're loosing the armor ratings or if it's just a bug? Currently there is no reason to use anything higher than a single level 3 armor module (out of 6 levels of armor modules) because the single level 3 reaches the resist cap. You don't even have to use multiple armor modules which the advanced droids are capable of holding. Also, Armor modules as of publish 6 had a "integrity rating" ; this has been removed and replaced with a "Armor rating." The values are significantly different (1024 -> 5) and I'm wondering if this is part of a future affect on Armor module experimentation (which currently doesn't do anything since a level 3 reaches the cap by default).


2) Fitting "service" modules into "combat" slots; again intentional?


3) HAM variations on droids: As it stands now, most droids have gotten a major HAM increase from their previous base level with experimentation able to increase it....except the probot. Why?


4) Currently a combat module requires 240s of factory time to make. Talking with other DE's on TestCenter we feel this is rather excessive. Would it be possible to have this timer reduced because of the number that will be needed per combat droid?


5) The standard Binary Load Lifter still has no possible function (much like the standard protocol droid prior to publish 6); why? Allong the same lines, why does the Advanced BLL only have 1 "service" module socket (not a cluster socket) if it's so hard to build?







All of the above are VERY good points...what will be done about this?



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Javac
Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:39 am
#99

There is an amazing ammount of unanswered questions at this point regarding droids. Basically we have ZERO information other than the player reports from test center and the patch is getting trickled out.

TH, please get us some answers! This is no way to run a "Droid Invasion".



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BootySwindlerBrian
Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:39 am
#100

The driod invasion is a showing of how out of touch the developers are.This invasion like all other parts of Galaxies is so removed from the STARWARS universe that it is not starwars. I have been one of the most loyal fans of Starwars since i was 11 and started playing various games in 1991. It is a joke what this game has become, don't have your hopes up is all i can suggest. Droids are something that can be configured for combat, from mouse droids to World Destroyers. They come in the form of Assassin droids and yes R2 Droids if wanted or needed. In episode 1 they are even star fighters, yet what is the reality in galaxies? We have fencers and melee fighters un matched in PvP, we have Jedi running around in full composite, we have Creature handlers the only ones who can have 3 storm troopers assigned for combat, and how are droids? i don't know honestly, i don't even care about them if they are only shooting 50 damage. I only will use them when i need to track as a BH.


The droidissue isjust another why question we will have that will be long in wait for any absolution. It shouldn't be a surpise to any of you, your stuck with major problems as DE, but they don't care enough to do anything worthwhile about it do they? There is something else at work here that will go onno matter what you post or suggest. Take a different approach and play a different game, or honestly just move on to a proffession that is not deemedUnimportantby those we pay for entertainment. Its a game that is broken and crying will not help, so exercise what power you have in this situation. Do not rattle against the cage hoping to be thrown a bone. Just know that this is what they think of your proffession. I am honestly saddened by the misreable state of many things within this game, being such a fan. Don't be angry, adjust and try to have fun for what your paying for,
Curpus
Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:04 am
#101



This post is my first, and is NOT intended as a flame, as I truly love this game....


BUT...


Droids are more appropriate to the atmosphere than all the creatures... Please oh please lets return to the galaxy far far away, more sci-fi, less fantasy. a reasonable mix is essential, but poke-wars would never have been a problem image-wise, if it had been droids, instead of killer bugs...


I can only hope that when publish 7 is released, that the addition of combat chassis will be a secret revealing, and not just a what is on test right now... to have combat functionality is one thing, but lets have some combat droids, not just probes and trackers...


I have a very successful tailor, and look forward to logging onto him. I am well known and feel respected in my profession. I would sooner delete him, than drop tailor. I know several armorsmiths, and weaponsmiths who feel the same way. So in the vastness of SPACE, in a SCI-FI game, shouldnt a player feel that way about being a Droidsmith? why then is it unthinkable that droids should rule the battlefields over animals?


DONT nerf the CH's, that would be poor form. Any time you nerf, you make the months of grinding through monotonous lvls wasted time. Wouldnt you agree that if you pay a monthly fee, use the time you paid for to achieve a certain goal, which is then taken back without refund of the money aggrivating?


I simply wish to make this point. So far, overall, this game is a credit to the Star Wars Franchise.


However.


Please remember that first and formost it is a sci-fi universe. If we wanted to play a fantasy game, with swords and sorcery ruling, we wouldnt have have quit EQ and others to play this game. So, lets keep ranged combat in command of the battlefield, NOT Teras Kasi, Droids superior to animals, which they are not,


And for the love of the force, hehe, hurry along the space expansion.... Riding the galactic bus sucks, lol...


Anyway, thanks for the place to give my two cents worth,


Kraambole Tre'frog

Master Tailor

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MadFox
Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:49 am
#102


Devs, please... hear your fan base. Look at all these people. We are all here to have fun and we are all willing to help you to achieve that goal. We help you Devs by providing you with accurate information of what is wrong and right, what we want and we dont want, what can help you make this game so much better and therefore attract many more account payers.


Is it so hard to give us what we ask? Worse than saying that something can or cant be done is giving fake hopes. Please, do what we ask, what we plead. If it cant be done, say so. Enough with ruining everyones fun.


Darkagent101
Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:54 pm
#103

They Develop this game with an iron fist, but the more they tighten their nerfing grip, the more payng customers will slip through their fingers.


I began to look at the Devs in a better ligt at the beginning of the year. They seemed to have their priorities at least a little straighter. Boy, were they just knocked out of whack.


I feel for you DE's. If they ever begin to 'help' the ID profession like they are trying yours, I'll just start playing Diablo II again. At least that's free.



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ckaul
Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:58 am
#104

Thats a all a BIG NIGHTMARE !

After all these months of waiting ... we will get this Patch ?

And it is called Droid Invasion ?

Sorry .... but i dont waste my time any day longer in this profession !



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