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Thread: IT 7-1: Droid & Droid Engineer Enhancements

RocketM
Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:30 pm
#105

I'd like to hear more about the droid repair kits. Does anyone have any more info?



1) Do droid repair kits repair damage or wounds, or both?


2) How much damage or wounds do the droid repair kis repair?


3) How often can I use a droid repair kit?


4) Can I repair my droid in the middle of combat?


5) How many resources total does it take to make a droid repair kit?


6) Are the resources used in droid repair kits rare or common?



I'm a combat player and I could personally do just fine with a current stat probot if I could heal it. I think a currentprobot with medium armor/40% armorand 1k ham would be just as powerful as my old rock beetle was with light/25% armor and 2k ham if I could heal it quickly and efficiently in combat as I could with myfavorite oldpet.


I think if the droid repair kits are good enough, this WILL be a droid invasion. A an 800 ham probot with medium/40% armor will only take 15% damage per hit,making its effective ham5333. A 4k ham cl10 BE pet with none/%14 armor will take 86% damage per hit and has an effective ham of only 4651. The big difference between them right now is that you can't heal the probot so after you fight two battles you have to wait half an hour or more to use it again. Useless! Now if the repair kits change all that, they also change the usefulness of that 800 hp probot by quite a bit.


Mosati
Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:03 pm
#106



1) Do droid repair kits repair damage or wounds, or both?



Droid Repair Kits heal HAM damage, Droid Reconditioning Kits or the Repair Modules in some droid will repair wounds.


2) How much damage or wounds do the droid repair kis repair?



Depends on the level of the kit. Like Pet stims or PC stims the kits have levels A through D. The average for a level "A" repair kitI've seen is300 units of healing and it's split equally between all 3 HAM bars instead of being pumped into only thebar with damage.


3) How often can I use a droid repair kit?



Still being tweaked I think. I've heard anywhere between 10 to 15 seconds per heal.


4) Can I repair my droid in the middle of combat?



Last report I heard said yes.


5) How many resources total does it take to make a droid repair kit?



Depends on the level of the repair kit and also you have to count the 3 or 4 sub-components inside each kit.


6) Are the resources used in droid repair kits rare or common?



Kit levels A and B use common resources but C and D level kits as well as advanced sub-components use rare resources. For the new kits and modules in this patch we, the Droid Engineers,now have an additional 14 rare resource types to harvest.


I'm a combat player and I could personally do just fine with a current stat probot if I could heal it. I think a currentprobot with medium armor/40% armorand 1k ham would be just as powerful as my old rock beetle was with light/25% armor and 2k ham if I could heal it quickly and efficiently in combat as I could with myfavorite oldpet.


I think if the droid repair kits are good enough, this WILL be a droid invasion. A an 800 ham probot with medium/40% armor will only take 15% damage per hit,making its effective ham5333. A 4k ham cl10 BE pet with none/%14 armor will take 86% damage per hit and has an effective ham of only 4651. The big difference between them right now is that you can't heal the probot so after you fight two battles you have to wait half an hour or more to use it again. Useless! Now if the repair kits change all that, they also change the usefulness of that 800 hp probot by quite a bit.



Think again, because we now have repair kits the Devs believed that our armour gave our droids an unfair combat advantage. Our armour have been nerfed to oblivion. Our level 6 armour module still gives 40% resists but we no longer have light or medium armour. Droids have nothing but resists to protect themselves.




Mosati Ryatu

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Member in good standing of the Glaston Pirates


Shian_Tavkin
Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:16 pm
#107






Mosati wrote in reply to:



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I'm a combat player and I could personally do just fine with a current stat probot if I could heal it. I think a currentprobot with medium armor/40% armorand 1k ham would be just as powerful as my old rock beetle was with light/25% armor and 2k ham if I could heal it quickly and efficiently in combat as I could with myfavorite oldpet.


I think if the droid repair kits are good enough, this WILL be a droid invasion. A an 800 ham probot with medium/40% armor will only take 15% damage per hit,making its effective ham5333. A 4k ham cl10 BE pet with none/%14 armor will take 86% damage per hit and has an effective ham of only 4651. The big difference between them right now is that you can't heal the probot so after you fight two battles you have to wait half an hour or more to use it again. Useless! Now if the repair kits change all that, they also change the usefulness of that 800 hp probot by quite a bit.



Think again, because we now have repair kits the Devs believed that our armour gave our droids an unfair combat advantage. Our armour have been nerfed to oblivion. Our level 6 armour module still gives 40% resists but we no longer have light or medium armour. Droids have nothing but resists to protect themselves.






The very sad thing about this nerf to armour, is that no rational reason has been presented by the DEVS as to why.


Just for once, in all the 9 months of playing, I would like to know the thinking behind this, and numbers to prove the thinking.


There is a detailed rationale posted by the devs about the changes to crafting/experimentation, so why do DE's not deserve the same rationale being presented.


I do hope that someone, somewhere in DEVland reads this and tells me why, when trying to balance DE against CL10 BE pets, we have to lose the major distinguishing feature of a droid, its armour.


We cannot get a droid Buffed by a doctor


We cannot feed it Chef created enhancements


We do have batteries, albeit they have doubled the time a battery lasts, its still going to give out in combat.


SO, Devs, please do what Chrys (SOE) has done in the experimentation thread, and explain why you are doing this to our droids. I doubt there is a rational explaination, but if there is I am willing to hear it.


Thankyou





Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
Curpus
Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:45 am
#108





but is that just from the new dungeon crawl, because the background looks like the interior of the Tantive 4, or better known as a correllian corvette...


I certainly hope its two of the new chassis, DE's so richly deserve something right now....
Mosati
Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:19 am
#109






Curpus wrote:





but is that just from the new dungeon crawl, because the background looks like the interior of the Tantive 4, or better known as a correllian corvette...


I certainly hope its two of the new chassis, DE's so richly deserve something right now....






That new wallpaper is of the new Corellian Corvette dungeon.


We are not getting any new droids or chassis, those droids are more of the 'look but don't touch,' or the 'dangling carrot' treatment as I call it. The art is there but we can't build them and we don't know if we ever will.



Mosati Ryatu

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Member in good standing of the Glaston Pirates


Shian_Tavkin
Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:00 pm
#110






Mosati wrote:





Curpus wrote:





but is that just from the new dungeon crawl, because the background looks like the interior of the Tantive 4, or better known as a correllian corvette...


I certainly hope its two of the new chassis, DE's so richly deserve something right now....






That new wallpaper is of the new Corellian Corvette dungeon.


We are not getting any new droids or chassis, those droids are more of the 'look but don't touch,' or the 'dangling carrot' treatment as I call it. The art is there but we can't build them and we don't know if we ever will.





In order to prevent the worst of the 'Tell Hell' that is coming our way on patch day, Viranis, modified by Kollos have produced the following Public Service Announcement, which I have cross posted to Chimaera forums for the benefit of both the players and we DE's:


The following is a public service announcement originally written by Virtanis, a fellow Master Droid Engineer on the Corbantis server. However, it is important information for droid owners and enthusiasts on all servers, so I'm cross-posting it here for all of you.


Based on information coming from DE's on Test Center, the previous DE Correspondent (Drashk) and the current DE Correspondent (TheRealTK421), please listen to the following announcement:


SOE has made a major adjustment to the armor ratings of Droids scheduled to be released for P7. Previously, Armor6 modules (the best armor module, an MDE made component) would give a droid Medium Armor and 40% resists across the board. SOE has significantly reduced this rating. It's new level will be NO armor, 20% resists across the board. In addition, this change is retroactive to ALL droids of all types and models: even those in deed form and those already in your datapad.



I repeat: this is a retroactive change to all droid armor ratings.



[Virtanis]sent a PM to TheRealTK421 today asking for clarification and confirmation of this, here is his response:






Will the armor nerf be retroactive and apply to already tamed probots?


Yes.


Will the armor nerf be retroactive and apply to probots in deed form (but not tamed)?


Yes.


Will the armor nerf be retroactive and apply to already made Armor6 modules not used yet in a droid?


I haven't tested this yet...but I suspect that it will.





It is probable that CL10 droids are being "equalized" to other CL10 pets, but no new information regarding greater than CL10 droids has been given to us by SOE. There are other changes in store for droids, like increased HAM and damage, but thenerfing of the droid armor is pretty severe. I will say that, unless some drastic change happens between now and Tuesday, or the information given to our correspondent is in error, this is being released to the live servers.


I felt it's my duty to inform the people of Chimaera, my friends, my guildies, and all my current and previous customers of this change. I will also say that the DE community did not request this change, but this was made by SOE alone.


I would like to further ask that people ignore the new "Droid Invasion" wallpaper that SOE has made available. The only droid in that picture that Droid Engineers can make is the R4 that is running for its life in the foreground. We CAN NOT make any of the combat droids in the background, so please don't ask. Droid Engineers are very upset about this patch as it is, and bugging us about things we wish we could do only makes us more grumpy than usual.


Thank you for your time, I hope this PSA is useful. I wish I didn't have to post it.


I apologise for SOE's behaviour in this.


Best Wishes







Shian -- Master Droid Engineer/ Master Artisan
Jedi-Indrialia
Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:31 pm
#111

/support the poor DE's After reading that whole post, you guys are not being helped by that patch. Sad the devs will name that patch "Droid Invasion" (altough just the tought of a R3 "WAR" droid is funny lol)


I have the luck to have a pre-nerf probot (yes, from July 2003 ) and i just hope they wont "retro active nerf" him hehe


3k ham and 150-180 dmg with light armor (he was not one of the strongest at the time tho)


I remember some imperial players wiping the whole floor of Moenia from all Rebels with a probot...




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LeisureLee
Mon Mar 15, 2004 2:49 am
#112

hmm. DEV posts a question, users answer, but DEV doesn't answer user questions. Very interesting.
Kilarny
Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:59 am
#113

The new chassis - Developers decided they were so cool that they kept them to themselves (for now at least).

lupomaster
Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:42 pm
#114

All,


this is a sad state of affairs indeed and, as a fellow DE, I am /crossing fingers wildly to hope for a pleasant surprise tomorrow morning when I boot up my PC. Ujnfortunately, it is now 10pm CST and less than 6 hrs away from patch time and i see absolutely NO answer form the devs.


It looks like the so called "droid Invasion" is going down the tubes fast and that the DE's are getting a slap in the face...

...I've made myself a few "crafting station" droids and a few med droids just to have them but I have to say that I'll be dropping the DE profession ASAP aas it is a waste of time. In doing the math, the amount of time and money i have invested in this profession would have gotten me 6 probots, 3 R2's and a few surgical droids that i could have used for my purposes. I'm hoping that I'll be pleasantly surprised when I see a few new chassis and a nice 2kHam droid tomorrow but I just know that this is wild speculations...


...on the bright side, Battlefield Vietnam comes out tomorrow!!! See ya in a few months SWG!!! I've gorund myself into stupidity and when i try to master a profession that I hope will be requested, all I see is another nerf and a slap in the face for the community.


SOE, pay attention here!!! In the business world (you are making money off us = a buinsess) you take a project on and complete it before going on to the next. When you take on multiple issues, especially large ones, you achieve nothing but failure.


The idea of a "testing" forum is superb, however, I see nothing but negative remarks by the "end user" (ie: the cutomer) and only 1 post by a developer (ie: the Company). The odds are that if you do not listen to your cutomer you will not make the sale (we will stop playing). Who is in charge of R&D!?!? Do you have a clue as to how a business is run form the R&D perspective?!?! You have a HUGE community of FREE testers and QA Specialists that not only work for FREE!!!! But also PAY!!!! YOU!!! to test YOUR product. The least you could do is to take advantage of this tool and implement what THE CUSTOMER wants!!!


This makes no business sense for me (over 6years experience in the Corporate Business World as an Executive) and an avid StarWars fan. I think I've sent Sony my resume...check your HR files because you have some serious issues with your interaction with the customer here.


There are 7 pages of Complaints here and 1 lonely "eeeerm we are working on this" answer. Last time I checked SOE's stocks I think you can well afford to hire a dedicated person getting say $15/hr to do nothing more than to read the "CUSTOMER'S complaints" and pass that info on to the "powers that be" while keeping the community up to date on what is being done. It's crunch time folks. This is one of many professions that is being complained about and in looking through the others I see nothing but neglect on the part of SOE.


Please, please, please (yes i am begging) do not make me and others leave the game!!! I love SWG and am an avid player and active member of the community both in game and out of game. I have ground through 20+ professions trying to open the FS slot, and in doing so I have felt the pain of the masses.


I hate "flame" posts but it's frustration that leads me to write this! All we ask for is that you follow through with what you have started!


1) You create a game driven by the custoomer--> Then LISTEN to the customer and implement HIS/HER ideas!!


2) You create a place where the CUSTOMER can meet to discuss R&D issues and Bugs--> Then LISTEN to HIS/HER responses and provide a feedback of the work in progress!!


3) You create an economy driven by the CUSTOMER--> Then listen to HIS/HER complaints when the economy starts to fail!!


4) You ask the CUSTOMER for HIS/HER hard earned money each month--> Look at your demographics and check your new subscription / dropped subscription ratio.--> I bet that the time a subscription lasts is getting shorter and shorter...


...All of the above are ideas for SOE from a business perspective. if my cutomers tell me to jump I usually ask "how high" because in the end it's the customer that drives orders and the orders drive revenue. It's business 101 folks...


...Oh well...looking forward to Battlefield and giving my $40 to EA instead of $180 (yes that's 12 mos) to SOE. Battlefield 1942 was patched several hundred times due to "Customer" complaints and is still being sold like Hot Cakes after 2+ years on the market!!!


Ok sorry all for the long rant but i needed to vent.
TurboSith
Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:14 pm
#115

im wondering why this patch is the DE patch and we arent even on the 1st page of TC changes threads...

/shrug

i havea feeling im going to be annoyed making so many R3 units



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